Talk:Troparion
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1. It's not an hymn of the Eastern Orthodoxy, but of the Byzantine Rite. 2. A dogmatikon is NOT a troparion of the Bearer of God, but a stichera. 3. "Phos Hilarion" and "Ho Monogenês" are NOT troparia, but hymns (as Veni creator in the Latin Rite, or as the hymns of the creation of the Armenian Rite). 4. "Christ is risen" is NOT a troparion, but a trope, like "Holy God" and "Thy cross do we adore". 5. "Axion estin" is NOT a troparion either. - Waelsch 05:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- 1. Continuing the trend toward generalizing these subjects away from Eastern Orthodoxy into the marginally more inclusive "Byzantine" rite, sure.
- 2. "Troparion" is a very general term. A sticheron is a kind of troparion in the broadest sense. In this case I suspect some slight confusion, since both a sticheron and a troparion might be a "theotokion" and the definitions crossed.
- 3. Calling Phos Hilarion a troparion may well be a bit of a stretch, but Ho Monogenes definitely is one. Argue with the Britannica about it if you like. [1]
- 4. "Christ is risen" is explicitly called a "troparion" in the service books. Besides, "troparion" is a diminutive of "tropos". This is not a useful distinction.
- 5. "Axion Estin" most certainly is a troparion. It's sung in the Tone 8 troparion melody. TCC (talk) (contribs) 07:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
