User talk:Mr Tan

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[edit] Talk: Bae Yong Joon

What's with the obsession with someone's private life/false rumors? The reason Wikipedia has a bad rep for pushing falsehoods is because of people like you, who insist on repeatedly posting false information/old, dead rumors. You didn't even get his family's names right.

I'd be glad to meet and talk to you in person; we're neighbors. Until you get real, factual information, please quit posting the Weekly World News bullshit on the BYJ page. Taking lies off the page, by the way, is NOT vandalism. == Fabshelly 06:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)fabshelly

Talk:Zanskar ==

You are quite a character, aren't you? By the way, from what I know, grammar and spelling skills don't "change from time to time", unless you get brain damage. And I truly don't think my knowledge is outdated. Are you sure you're as good an English speaker as you claim to be? ;p

No, I don't intend to interfere with your Zanskar article, and never did. Still, thanks for dropping by. Igor the Lion^(Roar!) 16:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I did voice out that I did not want to pursue this, but as you seem all too eager to drag me into your dilemma, then so be it. First of all, I made no reference whatsoever to your "gallery incident," and have had no desire to. In my comment on Talk:Zanskar, I was alluding to your atrocious grammar, your incompetence in English, and some of your poetic, yet sadly, erroneous "facts" shown by Moumine in one of the sections. As you want me to comment on your most recent actions, though, I will no longer hesitate to state my opinions. What I think, nay, know, is that you, Mr. Tan, have been inserting factual errors that seem to have been based on nothing more than information given in tourist brochures, have been lowering the standards of the said article each and every time you decided to edit it, and that you have, up to this day, refused to accept any reprimand or comment on your terrible behavior (and note, you have done this numerous times in the past - so often, I believe, that you even had an RfC regarding those matters). You suggest that Moumine thinks he owns the article. NO, Mr Tan. I believe it is you who thinks he owns the article. Your vehement refusal of criticism and nonsense edits attest to this. You have repeatedly attempted to impose your abhorrent manner of English upon the poor article, and that your view of yourself is so BlOwn uP that you refuse to accept the fact that your mastery of English cannot even be called mastery. You have taken the language of Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Dickens, and all the great writers of old, and have mangled it, turned it into an abomination that only you can understand. I take your persistence in believing that yours is the "right" English as an insult to me and to my fellow speakers. Also, you have been entirely inconsiderate of your fellow editors, ordering them to answer your questions without thinking that they could possibly be on holiday, be busy, have left the matter a long time ago, or simply not have read your message. You should have thought of those things. But no, the heck with their feelings! I, Mr Tan, care only about myself, and my self-esteem, and I don't give a damn about what those people are doing, all I know is that they didn't answer me, so they are being inconsiderate. If that isn't inconsiderate, Mr Tan, I don't know what is.

Still, I find it quite amusing, your persistence, that is, in refusing to understand the points of others and enforcing your own, and your refusal to improve your comprehension and writing skills. I am not suggesting that all your edits are bad. Indeed, you have contributed a fair amount to Wikipedia, let us not forget that. But your attitude in debating has to be improved, as well as your writing skills and your English. Looking forward to hearing from you soon - Igor the Lion^(Roar!) 17:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I have a feeling that you didn't grasp what I was saying, or at least didn't read the whole thing through. Anyway, I'll explain the whole thing to you in simple terms. I was not referring to the past, though I did make some references. Most of my commentary was focused on your current attitude, which imo has changed only very slightly since when you worked on Zanskar. I never tried to bring up the past. If, as you say, your grammar is good, you'd have noticed the "have been"s in the above text. I suppose you already know that this pertains to the present rather than the past. If not, well, we all learn new things every day. And, again regarding your English, you cannot expect me to believe that you are writing on a professional level if your language is sophomoric and if you insist that there is "nothing on your English." Of course there is nothing on it. It is not a table. Maybe you mean "nothing wrong with your English." Many more examples lie in your texts.

Regarding the gallery, I also think it is unnecessary for the article. It stands quite well on its own, even without your gallery. If you want to add some pics, do so by all means. If you want to reorganize the existing pictures into some sort of gallery, then that is only a waste of time, and may be contrary to the ideas of the original authors. Do what you wish.

And as for Moumine being "inconsiderate", I think you yourself are being inconsiderate. Perhaps you haven't thought of the possibility that Moumine hasn't logged in since December 17? Apparently, you haven't, and apparently, even if you did, you'd still think that it was because of this deep-seated grudge that Moumine was holding against you. Why not resolve to be a bit less, say, self-centered or egotistic and paranoid this New Year? It might help out a bit, you know. Igor the Lion^(Roar!) 14:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Your "emotional agony" is all useless. Why not check this link here and see for yourself that the last time Moumine logged in was on December 17, 2005? (At the time of writing, Moumine has already logged in and left a message on Talk:Zanskar regarding the gallery thing, which I agree with totally) By the same token, maybe I should hold a grudge against you because you didn't answer a message I posted some days ago until three days had passed.

It is true that admins will never create tools that would worsen the state of Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean they should use these tools whenever they feel like it. Imagine if they blocked every user on Wikipedia. How would you like that? The issue here is not the tool, but what you do with it, a point that I have been trying to get across in vain.

And finally, you have to improve your English because I have a hard time understanding you sometimes. Igor the Lion^(Roar!) 11:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I left a comment at Talk:Zanskar, which I believe can also suffice as a reply to your earlier message. Though there is some sarcasm in the message, on the whole it is as neutral as I could get it.

Again, I do not wish to involve myself any further in your dispute with Moumine. Igor the Lion^(Roar!) 19:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

(personal information concerning FabShelly removed).

[edit] Malays in Singapore

I apologise that I haven't been able to reply to your previous comment, or take any action on the above article. Have been really busy at work lately since the start of the year and will continue to be busy till perhaps end of next week. Will take action as soon as I possibly can. --Fauzi 17:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Cjw.jpg

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[edit] Image:Cht.jpg listed for deletion

dbenbenn | talk 06:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Appreciation

Hi Mr Tan,

I doubt the flyover was the N-S Expressway, but rather the highway leading to Pasir Gudang.

You're pretty much right about this. I actually have more photos to upload, but I'm doing it in stages since I actually lack the actual time to do so.

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 14:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Departure

[edit] English

Don't worry, I will return. My studies are not too good this time.I will return as soon as I improve.

[edit] Mandarin

放心，我会回来的。我今年考试成绩不大好。希望您明白。谢谢。

[edit] French

Ne vous inquiétez pas, je retournera. Mes études ne sont pas trop bonnes ce time.I retourneront dès que je m'améliorerai.

[edit] Italian

No se preocupe, yo volverá. Mis estudios no son demasiado buenos este time.I volverán tan pronto como mejore.

[edit] Russian

Не потревожьтесь, я возвратит. Мои изучения не слишком хороши это time.I возвратят как только я улучшаю.

Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC!

09:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorgen Sie sich nicht, ich zurückgeht. Meine Studien sind nicht dieses time.I zurückgehen zu gut, sobald ich verbessere.

[edit] Comments in Sinnathamby Rajaratnam

I was quite surprised when you removed the hidden comment. Yes, the article is on only Mr Rajaratnam himself, but anyone who is not familiar with adding a footnote using the <ref> ... </ref> tags may be confused when trying to add a footnote into the article, as the text of the footnotes are not in the "References" section.

Hence I inserted the hidden comment so anyone not familiar with the new system could read up on how to add a footnote. The note is intended for reading only by someone who wants to add a footnote, and it does not make the remaining text of the article less important.

Hidden comments to other editors of an article about technical matters related to editing the article are quite common. Some examples are:

• Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, right at the top, there is a long comment warning editors not to remove an image.
• Hanging, in the "Singapore" section the following comment is inserted:

  <!---Do not add material to this section that does relate specifically to the application of hanging in Singapore. This section is not designed for commentary and criticism of capital punishment in Singapore in general. Please discuss on the talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hanging#Singapore -->

• Kimchi, "References" section.

— Kimchi.sg | Talk 13:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An update about SGpedians' notice board

Hi Mr Tan, if you haven't notice the meetup page, please do take a look at it. Do you use IRC or MSN? --Terence Ong 16:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Yup, hope to see you on IRC.--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 07:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mdm Yeap

Hi Mr Tan, could you clarify these two edits of yours: [1] and [2], is there a mistake somewhere because the lady was cited as the wife for both men? I cannot find any reference on "Yeap Sui Phek" on the Internet to verify it myself and have to bother you. Thanks. --Vsion (talk) 13:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hello. Nice to see that you've cleaned up your talk page! Hehe ;) See you around! Igor the Lion^(Roar!) 00:00, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Do watch that paranoia of yours, please. It got me all worked up last time we clashed.

No, I intend to archive my talk page only on an annual basis, regardless of its size. Thanks for your note, anyway.

[edit] RFa?

I see you have so many edits...how about an Rfa?--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk)ContributionsContributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 10:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese naming conventions

I just made a new proposal on NPOV treatment of the different Chinese languages/dialects on the Chinese naming conventions. Please take a look and comment if you will. Thanks.--Yuje 19:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tsushima islands?

Received your message, and I thank you for your inputs. I understand that this problem may raise some dispute between Korean and Japanese editors in Wikipedia, so this matter should be treated with prudence =). Sources can probably be found, and they should not pose TOO much problem even if they are in Korean, provided that it's not original research (an official gov't response would be okay I guess, or articles from English Korean newspapers like Korean Herald or English Chosun Ilbo should be okay too). I'll try to look for sources if I have time, but I, too, have exams and can't spend much time on Wikipedia. Anyway, take care.

P.S: Your exams end in May 10th? Are you taking AP Exams by any chance? Deiaemeth 04:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Tan and Deiaemeth, is it funny to add oil to flame? Korean nationalistic activity encourages Japanese ultranationalists. vice versa. Continuing such a claim each other can bring situation like Israel and Parestina, or balkans, or everywhere in the world, I'm really afraid of that. I was friendly to Korea, but it is growing to be difficult to keep such a feeling these days. You are making enemey among ordinary people in Japan. Isorhiza 12:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jin Hi Kim

Thanks for romanizations of Jin Hi Kim. However, why does it say "Jin Hui" when she spells her name "Jin Hi"? Is the hangul correct? Badagnani 04:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I did do that, even searching with hangul for only "Kim Jin" but she doesn't seem to appear on any Korean websites. She is, to my mind, an internationally renowned exponent of new music for the Korean komungo but seems not to have much coverage in the Korean language. I know her personally and know that she does want her work to be better known in Korea. Maybe I'll just have to ask her (I can get the hanja as well while I'm at it). Badagnani 04:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Didn't know about Yahoo! Korea; I thought Google would collect everything necessary. In any case, we'd probably never be able to find her hanja via the Web, especially if they're unusual ones. I just wrote to her to ask. Which other essential data did you have in mind? I think we have most everything else important. Badagnani 05:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Medcab

Thank you for your message. Are you interested in having a mediator work to resolve your situation? If so please go to the Mediation Cabal page and fill out the case page for this case.Geo. 18:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Since it's Fabshelly who wanted large scale meditation by starting the page, Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-25 Bae Yong Joon, let's see what he has to say before I proceed. Otherwise we all discuss on Talk:Bae Yong Joon in the meantime. Mr Tan 06:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Sorry about my miserable failure in mediating Bae Yong Joon. There's not much I can do if one party isn't willing to come to the table. --David.Mestel 14:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Chinese Singaporean.jpg

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[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Lky.jpg

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[edit] Tsushima Island

i think you've made some good points. i have been more busy, but haven't lost interest, & would like to see if there are any responses before i jump into the talk pages, to avoid inflaming the situation. Appleby 20:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your welcome notice

Thanks for your welcome. Just one thing, please put '<' /div style' >' at the end of it. I couldn't get out of the box when I wrote something and finally I realized that the box should have been closed. Anyway Thanks again! Ginnre 16:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tsushima Island Request

Sorry, I don't know much about Tsushima island; If I go in there and babble then I probably just start spouting out a bunch of unrelated comments.KiteString 13:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revised Romanization for Kim Hyi-ro

I took at the diacritical for the RR version of Kim's name - It looks like RR doesn't have diacriticals. WhisperToMe 07:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me. Please correct it if I made any mistakes. Mr Tan 09:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Momoe Yamaguchi

There has been a persistent rumor that she is a zainichi or a descendant of zainichi. Only baseless rumor. Because she was once a national idol in Japan, some people checked her ancestors for seven generations not only by family registers but using a detective agency and they didn't find a source to support the rumor. So you will better give up your useless effort in both edition of Wikipedia. --Ypacaraí 23:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christian population

AFAIK,24 + 6 families of any religion is not notable enough to be included in an encyclpedic article.Bharatveer 09:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Mr.tan, pls dont try to confuse the issue. The article in question is Leh.So your assertions in this case are wrong. I am sure 24 families will not form 2 % of the leh's population. Bharatveer 13:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Mr,Tan Pls note that WP:N is for creation of articles and not for inclusion of POV sentences in an article. For Your Information, See Population_figures.Christians form only 0.23%. Bharatveer 04:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I think i have explained my reasons very cearly. Mention of 24 + 6 families is clearly a POV (when they form only 0.23%)which is already mentioned . Your arguments that they form the High castes looks laughable.Bharatveer 09:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Mr.Tan, Be CIVIL.Whatever you say will not change the fact that it is POV. I cannot understand why you are so insistent in including 24 + 6 families here. Bharatveer 11:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

When the population figures of christian community is already there, there is no need for a seperate paragraph to mention the Number of 24 + 6 christian families again. It does not matter how HIGH their caste might be .Bharatveer 12:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The question of violation of wiki policy about verifiability does not arise in this context.This is just a case of POV pushing. It has to be seen in that perspective.You may think those 30 families are of VERY HIGH CASTE. But that is entirely your POV and it should not have any place in an encyclopedic article .Bharatveer 13:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Mr.Tan, You are just repeating yourself on the verifiablity issue.My question is why do you need to include 24 + 6 families in this article. Is it just because that they happen to be christians.

That section will have to go because it is POV unless you include the number of families of all other communities.Bharatveer 09:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Bharatveer please calm down. Mr Tan I believe, is merely trying to show how missionaries are attacking traditional Ladakhi culture. The third source he placed is well-written.Bakaman _Bakatalk

I think that the fact that there are missionairy schools in a remote mountain hamlet is notable enough. Please find a source for the "high-caste" assertion as I did not see evidence of it anywhere.Bakaman _Bakatalk 16:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tsushima Islands/temp has been nominated for deletion

Hello,

Tsushima Islands/temp, which you created on 30 June 2005, has been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tsushima Islands/temp Thanks --Ling.Nut 01:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)