User talk:Dbenbenn

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Contents 1 Bad User Pages 2 Preemptive blocking? 3 qif 4 JD-month error? 5 Orphanbot doesn't know about promophoto? 6 Moving images to commons 7 FYI: Copying User:Dbenbenn/bad user pages 8 Template:In the news 9 Re: Image protection 10 admin-counts 11 Might I suggest 12 image tags 13 Pete Doherty picture 14 Proposal on Notability 15 List of administrators by edit count 16 What did I do wrong? 17 Old deleted image 18 MakBot bot flag needed. 19 Mount of the Holy Cross map 20 Image:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg 21 Image:Hydrilla.jpg listed for deletion 22 Image:Hydrillainfestation.jpg listed for deletion 23 Graphics Lab

[edit] Bad User Pages

here you go -- G. Gearloose (?!) 18:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Preemptive blocking?

Hi Curps. I'm curious why you blocked [a certain user], given that that user doesn't exist. If this is some kind of preemptive blocking of a potential inappropriate username, it seems a little futile to me, since a vandal could simply use a slightly different name. Or is there some other reason this makes sense? User:dbenbenn 00:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Apparently accounts do get deleted sometimes, and with good reason. You should probably delete the userpage too so it doesn't appear in the category. Keep up the good work.--Craw Returns 00:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

There are also 135 variations on your own name that are blocked though the user doesn't exist, such as User:Ķûŕṕś. Is it true that user accounts actually get deleted? If so, do you think these deleted accounts should remain blocked? User:dbenbenn 00:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe that the block page even lets you block a nonexistent username. -- Curps 00:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Good point. I just unblocked User:Ķûŕṕś, and then was not able to reblock. I guess that indicates the account was indeed deleted sometime between January 7 and now. Odd. Anyway, I guess it makes sense just to leave all those names blocked. User:dbenbenn 00:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It's probably better to leave them blocked... I don't imagine there's anything stopping those names from being recreated, and there's no valid reason to allow obvious impostor names to edit. Deletion of usernames is news to me, the only times I've seen usernames "deleted" were as the result of a name change requested by the user and carried out by a bureaucrat, and then I've sometimes seen a familiar username suddenly recreated for the first time (presumably by the original user wishing to reserve it against use by impostors). -- Curps 01:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi David, no problem. Subpages used to be used widely on WP. However a decree came from on high not to use them. I was told that subpages were never ever to be used, by the developers. I got into trouble last year for using a subpage to test out a format for proposed infoboxes. But if that prohibition has been recinded, no problem. The thing about WP is that rules change overnight but no-one tells people. One minute subpages were all the rage. The next minute they were "never ever use subpages". Obviously they are OK again. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 03:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's certainly true about rules! I think the current rule is that subpages for articles are verboten, but they're recommended for talk page archives. User:dbenbenn 04:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] qif

Hi. Re [1]: Could you please add Category:Templates using ParserFunctions to templates you convert to #if? Thanks. I can't do that, due to the page protection. --Ligulem 23:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'll try to remember that in the future. User:dbenbenn 23:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JD-month error?

{{JD-month|123}} gives 3 = 15. As far as I know, there is no 15th month ;). Perhaps that template only works for days after a certain date? I'm working on simplifying the calculation, but I don't know how to make the right calculation in the first place. User:dbenbenn 00:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi. The JD-month template assumes conversion to months in the Gregorian calendar... which came into existence in 1582. Thus, before that it would be producing 'months' for a calendar system which did not exist yet. A Julian date of '123' would be one-hundred and twenty-three days after the start of the Julian period... in 4713 BC. :] The formulas for this and the related JD-day and JD-year templates should work correctly for all dates in the Gregorian calendar system. For anything prior to October 1582 we get into hypothetical calendaring and it's fairly meaningless. The formulas can be derived from the Julian date article or the {{JD}} template. --CBDunkerson 00:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I've added that explanation to Template:JD-month.

Another question: I noticed that {{JD-day|{{JD}}}} right now is giving 21, not 22. Julian day explains that the day rolls over at noon, but the Gregorian calendar still rolls over at midnight. So is that a mistake? I guess the fix would be to subtract 0.5 from the parameter to JD-day. User:dbenbenn 05:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

In {{JDtoGreg}} all the calls to JD-month/day/year (and the hour/minute calculations) add 0.5 to the parameter... precisely for this reason. The best solution will likely be to build the 12 hour shift into {{JD}}... which is effectively off by 12 hours currently. --CBDunkerson 08:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

This is caused by another reason. The month artithmetic uses a modulo operator which has not been fixed in the formula used to cover years before the begining of epoch which is very far away in 4800 BC.

The exact formula used is now described in the article speaking about Julian day (look at the table where the same formulas are detailed and used on the examples provided), and much care has been taken to implement them in MediaWiki ParserFunctions so that it will avoid all negative numbers since the begining of epoch.

Then the three julian day conversion templates were derived from this demonstration table. verdy_p 15:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphanbot doesn't know about promophoto?

Apparently OrphanBot doesn't realize that {{promophoto}} is a license tag.  ? User:dbenbenn 00:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

In computer science, it's called a race condition: At 00:03 UTC, you uploaded the image with no copyright tag. About 15 seconds later, OrphanBot retrieved the page text and didn't find a copyright tag, so it added the image to the list of images it needed to add "untagged" to. Between then, and when it got around to actually applying the tag, you added {{promophoto}}. --Carnildo 04:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay. It sounds like this bug could easily be fixed: just have OrphanBot re-check the page immediately before applying the no-tag tag, exactly the way a human would do it. Specifically, a human would edit the page, see whether there's a tag in the page source, and add {{untagged}} otherwise. That completely avoids the race condition, because of MediaWiki's edit conflict feature. And it's kind of important to fix the bug, because OrphanBot shouldn't be incorrectly tagging images. User:dbenbenn 04:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving images to commons

Hello, is there a way how to move free licensed images to Commons automagically? I also don't feel good doing it as I'm in fact becoming the uploader (who's responsible for copyright issues), while, in fact, I'm just moving it to a central repository. How do you deal with these issues and are there any plans to simplify/smoothen the process? ~~helix84 03:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Ping? ~~helix84 17:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Oops, sorry for the slow reply. No, there's no easy way to move images to the Commons. You just have to download from here, then re-upload. Commons Helper can help a little, by generating an image description page to copy that has the image history information. User:dbenbenn 11:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Is there a chance this will change after single login? ~~helix84 12:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea. User:dbenbenn 00:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI: Copying User:Dbenbenn/bad user pages

I'm going to take a copy of your subpage User:Dbenbenn/bad user pages so that I can modify it. It's at User:Ardric47/Temp1. I saw "Feel free to edit this list if you like," but I can see myself possibly modifying it beyond recognition. Ardric47 00:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:In the news

Hello, Dbenbenn! I noticed that you switched the image on Template:In the news from the .png version to the .svg version. I had switched the preferred .svg file to a .png file because I couldn't upload and protect the .svg version; thus, I switched it to a .png version, which I was able to upload and protect, and then left a request on WP:AN, which seems to have gone unanswered. Because the .svg image is still unprotected (the image has to be uploaded and then protected; protecting only the image page leaves the image vulnerable to vandalism on Commons, where all changes are reflected here) I've gone ahead and switched the flag back to the protected .png version until the .svg version can be uploaded and protected (feel free to do this if your computer has the technical capabilities to do so). Again, see WP:AN#Image protection for more information. Many thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

You are mistaken. When I changed Template:In the news, I also protected Commons:Image:Flag of Indonesia.svg. It is not necessary to upload a local copy of an image that is protected on the Commons, since normal users here are not able to overwrite Commons images. So if an image on the Commons is protected there, it can be changed on the Commons only by Commons admins, and it can be changed here only by local admins. Cheers, User:dbenbenn 21:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice that. I apologize. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Image protection

Hi! Thanks, I didn't know that protection at the commons prevented the upload of a file of the same name at wikipedia--that's useful info that I will bear in mind in the future. I was really just responding to a request from User:Flcelloguy, who it appears didn't know that either. --JeremyA 02:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] admin-counts

sorry for the delay. http://tools.wikimedia.de/~river/files/admin-counts/ should be updating again now. kate.

[edit] Might I suggest

Hi! I noticed you were active in resolving somethings on this page, which alas, as a 'usage guidline', seems pretty confusing. At the least, some of it is dated or seems to have been superceded by subsequent system software updates. OTOH, I just may be wrong on that suspicion.

Might I suggest archiving anything which is dated, immaterial, or otherwise inappropriate to the task, which is to shed light on when and where the template is to be properly applied. There seems to be a significant difference in the commons application in the new map categories project, wherein they are using it to tag old category names prior to relocating contents, and the use here on wikipedia. OTOH, the category page has a lot of entries if the BOT is running regularly.

Since similar use is suggested in this talk as seems to be the practice on the commons, I'm not sure what is and is not 'proper' application here on wikipedia given the rambling nature of the discussion. In sum, a clear usage section separated from the stale verbage in the discussion seems to be in order. Thanks // FrankB 07:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] image tags

Hi David. No worries with that lot, GFDL for all of them is OK by me. Best, Tannin 03:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pete Doherty picture

You appear to have removed the picture from the Pete Doherty article. As far as I'm aware, it was properly tagged with explicit permission from the copyright holder for use on Wikipedia. If there was a problem with it, it would have been polite to contact me first. I would very much appreciate it if you could do me the courtesy of explaining why you deleted it. OneVeryBadMan 08:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

You used the wrong tag on the image. According to the web site you cited [2], it's licensed under cc-by-nc-sa-2.5, not cc-by-sa-2.5. Wikipedia doesn't accept noncommercial images. The Wikipedia-specific permission is irrelevant. User:dbenbenn 21:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal on Notability

Because you're a member of the Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians, I'm notifying you that the inclusionist proposa Wikipedia:Non-notabilityl is in progress to define the role of notability in articles. Please help us make this successful! Also note the proposal Wikipedia:Importance is a deletionist proposla that seeks to officially introduce notabiltiy for the first time. Make sure this is defeated! --Ephilei 04:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of administrators by edit count

How would I go about executing the script to update the list? I was just curious to see how I stack up. Could a regular user like me do this? And if I can't, could you please update this list? Thanks for your time, and if you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Ian Manka Talk to me! 09:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What did I do wrong?

Hi Dbenbenn,

I haven't been logged on for quite a while. I was going to submit a picture for the Nemi Ships, when I found this message (click link below):

[3] Just click your BACK button after you view the image.

I cannot find any info in your archives about why these pictures were deleted. Is there a chance that you remember the reasons?

I'm not comfortable in submitting any other pictures until I know what I did wrong. The Akenaten image was created entirely by me, and the Elliot image was published in 1917, and colorized by me.

Regards,

Ken Seamon

[edit] Old deleted image

I'm unclear on if this is possible for old image description pages, but could you retrieve the image description of Image:Rudyard kipling.jpg and place it on Image:Rudyard_Kipling_(small).jpg's description page? It's an image you deleted for IFD(a long time ago), and I don't feel its neccessary to clutter DRV with this request. The description page I hope will have some useful copyright information because the (small) image has almost nothing save for the tag. Thanks. Kevin_b_er 23:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MakBot bot flag needed.

I applied for a bot flag on Commons:Commons:Administrators but after more than two weeks and 9-0 votes in favour, MakBot does not have a flag. My bot has done over 60K edits and the RC is basically useless to folks. I have voluntarily held off any further runs since it appeared folks really preferred that.

But there are a number of things that I need to have the Bot do. Could you take a look and give it a flag? -Mak Thorpe 00:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mount of the Holy Cross map

Hi---I took out the map of Eagle County that you put on the Mount of the Holy Cross page. As you noted, it needed work; in fact I would say it needed so much work that it wasn't useful enough to leave on the page as is. Let me know if you think differently. Cheers, Spireguy 21:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg

Hi, i'm Dove from the Spanish Wikipedia. I wonder if you can upload the "Iwo Jima Flag Raising" image in commons.wikipedia, in order to make it avalaible to all the wikipedia versions. I dont know too much about licenses and i'm afraid i could make a mistake if i make the upload myself. Thks for your help! 22:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Hydrilla.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Hydrilla.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. Peter O. (Talk) 12:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Hydrillainfestation.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Hydrillainfestation.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. Peter O. (Talk) 12:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graphics Lab

I saw your name listed on Wikiproject Illustration or the list of graphic artists, and I thought I'd let you know that a Graphics Lab has been created on EN. Based on the highly successful French and German graphics labs, it seeks to better organise and coordinate our graphic design and photo-editing efforts. Up until now, there has been no common space on EN where users could ask for maps, charts and other SVG files to be created. What's more, the Graphics Lab has discussion boards, tips, tools and links; in sum, a good common workspace. Come help us out! The infrastucture is already in place, and now we need participants. :) --Zantastik talk 01:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)