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Contents 1 Ganeshbot on Ta 2 I resent 3 Ziaur Rahman FAC 4 Problem with image 5 Thank you 6 Bhadani 7 Life is a flow 8 your comments about mediation 9 Bureaucrat 10 Kazi Nazrul Islam 11 Kaveri article 12 Tamil article 13 Re:Tamil 14 Jimmy Wales 15 Thanks 16 Mahawiki 17 Help with fixing cut and paste move 18 Thanks for FPC nomination 19 Kazi Nazrul Islam and Dhaka 20 your query at redundancy 21 Mayiladuthurai 22 Kaveri Disputes article 23 An evening with Jimmy Wales 24 Sundarbot in bn-wiki 25 An evening with Jimmy Wales 26 Marathi/Kannada 27 Indian admin noticeboard 28 Tamil wiki 29 Thanks 30 Cholas 31 Help needed in Carnatic Music edit wars 32 Transcription help needed 33 Chola 34 History of Tamil Nadu 35 rfas 36 Sorry about accusation 37 Wrong revert on Ettayapuram 38 Brahminical culture and Dravidians 39 Re: River names 40 Re: Carnatic Music 41 Re: WT:INWNB question 42 Happy Deepawali 43 FYI 44 Syed Ahmed Khan 45 Happy Diwali! 46 Another Diwali greeting! 47 The lighted path 48 Happy Diwali! 49 greetings 50 Happy Diwali 51 Redirects

[edit] Ganeshbot on Ta

Thanks for the welcome. Is the translation complete? Do I create the district articles first? Please advise. I am partially active right now. Will be fully active in week or two. - Ganeshk (talk) 16:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I resent

Your characterization of myself as a "newbie". In case you didnt know dab called me a sock, and made quite a large number of racist and hurtful comments. Dab dislikes me because of many reasons but I think he snapped when I supported Blnguyen's actions against User:Crculver (who dab is quite friendly with and who shared dab's outlook on things like Hindutva, Hinduism, "Hindu gerontophilia", and "Hindutva revisionism").Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought you were responding to my response to dab in that discussion. Sorry for the mix-up.Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ziaur Rahman FAC

Hi Sundar - I've put up Ziaur Rahman for FAC. Please check it out. Rama's arrow 13:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with image

Hi. I have a problem with this image. But I am not sure how to go about expressing my concerns. For now I've written a comment on the Image's discussion page. Is that what I need to do? And where do I go from here? Sarvagnya 18:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Please comment. [1] Sarvagnya 20:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sundar, I had left a message here calling for the author's attention to the Image's talk page. He hasnt responded yet. What should we do? Sarvagnya 20:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you very much sir Stanley simon 15:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bhadani

Thank you for your involvement in this, Sundar. I do recognize Bhadani as a good faith editor. He was obviously ill informed as he came to my talkpage to show his indignation. I am sorry, but there is no way that I will take this matter up again and explain my position yet another time. I am grateful indeed to see you and others take it upon themselves to set the record straight, and I think you might be useful in the role of mediator. Bhadani apparently saw the reference to the quote on BostonMA's page, of course without any context: BostonMA was another editor who came to my page convinced that he had the right to hear a personal explanation and apology from me, even though the whole thing had nothing to do with him, rather than just reading up the explanations I had already given. I feel like the pope now. I did set the record straight, explaining my position with angelic patience several times over, but I do not feel obliged to repeat the exercise for every Indian patriot that should happen to feel they are entitled to demand I do it once more for their personal edification. If Bhadani would have A'dGF and done some minimal research, he would have realized that he had been tricked by a bad faith representation. Now, if Bhadani was willing to admit this and apologize to me for his omission, I will of course be willing to apologize for the curt tone of my response and everybody will be happy. Again, I do recognize Bhadani is acting in good faith even without any apology on his part, it is evident that his indignation is genuine. It's just that he has only himself to blame for his indignation, such are the pitfalls of nationalism. And even without any further ado, negotiations and apologies, I will also be happy to drop the matter entirely. Nationalism does strange things to people's intellects. I make no attempt to disguise my contempt for nationalism, and I have no problem whatsoever with being held in contempt by nationalists in turn. I would just like to reiterate that his has nothing to do with India in particular, and I've had similar exchanges with nationalist editors from all sorts of places. Indian society does seem to have not yet resolved to put its lunatic fringe nationalists in their place, something the necessity of which most European societies have learned several decades ago, but there are many countries where the situation is just as bad, places like Poland, Hungary, Turkey, Belorussia, the Balkans in general, spring to mind, so no, I do not think the situation of stark raving nationalists let loose in the streets is in any way exceptionally bad in India, even if this is the impression one could get from Wikipedia sometimes. dab (ᛏ) 16:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't be keen on a mediator role myself, it is a rather thankless job :) As I keep saying I will happily just drop this, and I do think, as ever, that I am justified in calling people harassing me yet another time about the same stale matter "trolls", or, if they were just naively unaware of the history of the situation, expect an apology. In fact, I am giving this very low priority and am not terribly interested in mediation: there are much more pressing matters, and if I am upset at present, it is not because of this eternal "sh*thole" hysteria, but due to the stuff going down on User_talk:Giano. best regards, dab (ᛏ) 09:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Life is a flow

Thank you Sundar. Life is a flow. --Bhadani 14:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your comments about mediation

Hi Sundar, I saw your comments about mediation. I know from experience that mediation is a thankless job. I took on a mediation role for many months and it was quite trying, time consuming, and in the end little satisfaction or recognition from the community for my efforts. (I was unable to bring resolution to the dispute and it eventually went to arbcom, so perhaps I was just a poor mediator). But in any event, I think you would be a fine mediator in this matter, should the need for such a mediator arise. Furthermore, I promise you in advance that I would be thankful. At the moment, I don't feel that I am unable to talk to dab, or he with me. He has, however, expressed that he has another concern bothering him at the moment, and I do not know if he will ever be interested in revisiting this issue. I still do have an issue with him which is unresolved, but if dab prefers to work on other things, I have no intention of harassing him with my issue.

One thing that would be nice, however, is for there to be a single person to act as a point of contact. When the most recent "outbreak" occurred, my initial comment [2] on the subject was intended to help the party involved drop the idea of going to the village pump and asking for sanction. I didn't give dab a ringing endorsement, but I didn't call for warfare against him either. Then I made one other comment [3] regarding an WP:AGF issue, and since then, as far as I can remember, my only comments on this topic have been in response to comments made directly to me. So, it would be most helpful, from my point of view, to respond to only one person, rather than to many. Of course, this is a community, and everyone has a right to comment. I am just saying that would be my preference. Anyway, I am just musing at this point, and not making a request of you. By the way, thank you very much for your comments in this matter so far. You seem very honest, and I appreciate that. Sincerely, --BostonMA 14:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bureaucrat

Sundar, I have seen you mediate disputes well. Why don't you stand for a Bureaucrat? You already one on Tamil wiki. You know the tools to use. I think you will make a good one here too. - Ganeshk (talk) 15:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I second the proposal  Doctor Bruno Talk 19:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll be frank. I'll support you if I stand for RfB. But considering the current turbulent situation, wouldn't it be better to wait till the things become a little calm ? Tintin (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ganesh, Bruno, Tintin, I thank you all for your support. Frankly, I'd never thought of this possibility before. I think I'm unsuitable for this position at this point for many reasons. The most important of them is that I have little time to devote to Wikipedia these days. Apart from that, I've seen people commenting that English Wikipedia doesn't need any more B'crats. Also, Ganesh, with its current scale, being a bureacrat in Tamil Wikipedia is easier and I have more room for learning there. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 05:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Tintin, I was just asking Sundar to give it a thought. Was not asking to do it now. I had been thinking of mentioning this for some time now. It just happened to coincide with the turbulence you mention.

Sundar, I have not seen people comment that way. I had taken a look at Nichalp's RFB and most recently Redux's. There is a need for more is what I understood. Anyway, I think you are qualified for the job. When you think you are ready, please accept. - Ganeshk (talk) 15:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure Ganesh. I'll let you know if I choose to stand. Thanks. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the "militancy" fix (and copyediting). As to Gram sarkars, "I don't think" it was inspired by the Panchayati Raj system, and certainly not vice-versa. The gram sarkars were (are) powerful authorities that in the 1978 referendum, helped Zia get the rural vote. You'll have to ask Ragib but I think these were like district-level or zonal. It is indeed sad that the best admins around here like you and GB are spending less time here. I can't wait to learn Tamil - will happily join you at Tamil WP. Rama's arrow 12:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

"What is real? How do you define real?" - Morpheus. Yes I am serious about learning Tamil, but it needs to be learnt with a solid commitment for a couple of years at least. Hopefully I still have the faculty to pick up new languages. Also, my attempt to learn French failed becoz I never got to practice it. So making Tamil friends is important before I pick up the tongue. Perhaps a Tamil girlfriend might solve the problem.

An interesting anecdote to share: my dad was on a business trip to Chennai (or do you still call it Madras?) in 1998, and he took a rickshaw to his hotel. Out of habit, he asked the fare in Hindi. The rickshaw driver replied in Tamil. My dad tried Hindi again, and then English, and got Tamil. Then my dad switched to Gujarati, explaining to the driver that "we could go on like this forever." The driver told the fare in English, and all was well.

Not to get ethnic or political, but I do consider Tamil to be the most significant Indian language today. It is as old as Sanskrit, which is dead. But Tamil is alive amongst 90 million people. It is indeed sad the way northerners think and behave sometimes. We could learn so much from Tamil, but we choose to fight futile battles. Rama's arrow 13:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I do feel that we require more Bureaucrats, so others may take some rest from time to time, or feel relieved of the burden of responsibilities, and do the other work of their choice here. Perhaps, I had added similar comments to my support to a Bureaucrat(ic) nomination. --Bhadani 17:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Bhadaniji for your support. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kazi Nazrul Islam

Hi - I request you to please check out Kazi Nazrul Islam (FAC). Thanks, Rama's arrow 00:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kaveri article

Mahawiki(and now Arya) are continuously reverting my edits and replacing it with highly biased and unsourced information. What they are basically doing is taking the events of 2002 and portraying it as if such events were the norm every year. I have made changes, pointed out their biases in the edit summaries and talk pages and yet they remain obstinate.

Please take a look at this to understand what I am talking about. Please find time to moderate this. Mahawiki especially, is there simply to create trouble and he has no knowledge whatsoever on the subject which is amply clear from his edits on the talk page.

By the way, the talk about that pic got deleted here. So I moved it here Sarvagnya 05:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Sunder, Plz see the Sarvagnya's pushing of POV [here].Their is no consensus on pic so I request to advice on use of it.He has also added some adverbs about Karnataka govt's stand.I just wanted to ensure that the article is neutral.The info questioned by Sarvagnya is been added by another user and I had just requested sarvagnya to have a talk with him before he removes it.

I dont know what adverbs are, but if you are talking about scrupulously, go check out the dictionary meaning of that word before you start crying that it is POV. Sarvagnya 22:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Sundar, please check the history of the article here. Note the edit summaries I have written for each edit that I have made. This is ofcourse, over and above my explanations on the talk page(about the pic, release of water figures etc). Will you admins ever haul up Mahawiki for deliberately misleading people? This is shaking my confidence in Wikipedia to survive the onslaught of such bad faith edits. Please do the right thing and take action against Mahawiki. Sarvagnya 09:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Sunder, Sarvagnya from several days is trying hard to woo admins to block me.I have requested Blguyen to intervene.

Anyways coming to the point,Sarvagnya is opposing a pic,yes he talk about it on talk page,and so have I and Boston.He is carrying out his edits without building consensus.The edits which he is doing is questioned by other editors so he should take pains to prove them.Of course note his pushing of POV.If u see the history and this page u will notice how he is trying to push the Karnataka POV.I request u to decide about the pic,which imo is no evil and should be included, and rectify the content.I request u to warn sarvagnya about his badmouthing and defaming against me. mahawiki 09:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Nobody had questioned my edits except of course Mahawiki who of course has no stand on anything. All that he has said on the talk page is that my edits are unacceptable. He hasnt given any reasons. I have given enough reasons in the talk page and edit summaries for each of my edits. Just note that, Mahawiki is removing cited information here See how in the edit summary he talks about putting the picture back, but in the article along with putting the picture back he does away with cited information. Sarvagnya 22:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya wants that pic removed because it depicts the 'draught' situation at TN because of Kaveri dispute.See Kaveri's talk page,he is nagging about that pic being irrelavent.I dont say sarvagnya is wrong here,but he should wait for consensus,esp when me and BostonMA wants that pic on the article.

Intrestingly the link given by sarvagnya depicts how he had removed the 'cited' information posted by other users.Plz see the citations in my version which I retained.Morever the words which Sarvagnya is including is- Karnataka has scrupulously followed the interim order and released much more than 205 TMC of water every year except in the year '95-'96 when the shortfall was merely about 10%.

which are a bit biased and POV.I just want them to be corrected.Better if any admin does that job.Obviously the other information which he removed plus the pic also need to be included in the article.Mahawiki 03:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I have already given reasons why i removed what you are calling 'cited information'. Yes. Your information was cited. But you were projecting the events of 91-92 and 2002 as if such things were the norm every year. and your words like "karnataka (has) never released the required amount of water, has disobeyed tribunal, has disobeyed SC... etc" is blatant POV. Those may be true of only a couple of years in the last 16 years. You cannot extrapolate it to all the 16 years. As my citations show, K has release more than 205 TMC in all years except 95-96. If you can prove to the contrary, I'd like to see it. Sarvagnya 04:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Firstly,I havent added those words and citations.

secondly,u may include the exact year on which those events occured if u wish. Thirdly, POV will not be tolerated hence try to frame the sentences in a neutral way.Mahawiki 04:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I can't mediate here as I'm extremely busy in the coming weeks. Please approach another admin. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil article

Regarding the adichanallur inscriptions, see this and this. Clearly, I took it up on the talk page before removing the info. It seems that you might have been in a hurry or something and missed my explanation on the talk page. But I just wanted to let you know because I dont want people(especially 'some' ppul- u know who) to read just your edit summary(saying I removed cited material without explanation) and jump at me and use it to slander me all over Wikipedia. I hold nothing against you as I know these things can happen. Anyway, please see the talk page there also. Thanks. Sarvagnya 09:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

btw, do you still want me to quote verbatim from the book. I hope after Arvind's corroboration of my summary, it wont be necessary. Sarvagnya 08:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Tamil

Hi - I definitely want to learn Tamil, but I need to track down a couple of books and get organized. I believe in the equality of all Indian ethnicities and languages, which leads me to only one conclusion. State languages are cool, but we need an Esperanto. It should be scientific with sound grammar, high vocabulary and easy to read/write. Mainly, it should incorporate every Indian language. Rama's arrow 11:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jimmy Wales

Please keep me posted of the development as regards Jimmy Wales's visit to Bangalore. I have e-mailed you my contact numbers. --Bhadani 18:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget to take lots of photos. Say hello to Jimmy for us. Have a great time. :) -- thunderboltz^(Deepu) 14:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you Mr:Sundar. Inviting ur help in my further editings. Stanley simon 11:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mahawiki

Hi dear Admin,

This is to bring to your notice the wiki-feud I've been having with User:Mahawiki for almost one month now. It started with the Belgaum page which went to mediation, warnings were handed out to both parties, and when Mahawiki's incivil ways continued, Admin:Bluyugen handed him a warning and then a block. Find that here

I do not want to turn the clock back and go through all those content disputes again. Infact, I dont want to present to you the details of any content dispute we've had. All I want to present to you is the brazen incivility and personal attacks being committed by User:Mahawiki either in the course of his content disputes or even simply just out of spite.

All the diffs(exhibiting his incivility and personal attacks) I provide below are from AFTER, I REPEAT, "AFTER". ADMIN BLUGYUEN INTERVENED, WARNED ALL OF US, AND HANDED MAHAWIKI A BLOCK.

Please find below dozens of instances of blatant incivility and personal attacks by User:Mahawiki either on me or on User:Dineshkannambadi and all Kannadigas in general. His remarks are in extremely bad taste and counterproductive resulting in undermining of the good faith efforts of the other editors to carry on editing their articles.

While I dont want to go into each and every diff and explain it, just to give you a sample of his incivility, he has made edits where, even if only in jest or sarcasm, he makes atrocious claims like, I am on a kill Mahawiki mission, that User:Dineshkannambadi is the Kannada (Bin) Laden(sic). In another edit, even if only for jest(which I certainly dont find amusing nor appreciate esp., when it comes from him), he has threatened to sue me. He has called us cultural TERRORISTS, losers, notorious, shameless etc., etc. He uses the word vandalism like one would use 'Hi' and 'Hello'.

Find all the above and much much much more in the diffs I've provided below. Whats worse is his antics are going unchecked because Admin:Blugyen who knows about our feud is on a wikibreak and Admin:Sundar whose intervention I've sought more than once, is busy with other things(I presume, in real life) - which ofcourse, I dont hold against either of them.

But wikipedia will be a poorer place if brazen incivility like this goes unchecked for weeks simply because many admins dont know about it or the ones who know are by force of circumstances, too busy to deal with it.

I request immediate and harsh action on Mahawiki.

Once again, let me remind everyone that in the links below, none of them pertain to any content disputes. I belive in dealing with the content disputes on the relevant talk pages and dont usually bring it out on user talk pages.

Infact, I have even not listed below, the atrocious claim he made a couple of days ago that I had deleted and later undeleted an article. Also not listed below is his blatant removal of {{fact}} tags I had added in a couple of articles without even clarifying or providing a citation for the claim which I had tagged. Also not listed below may be umpteen other instances of incivility and npa violations on his part that I might have missed.

All the diffs below deal purely and only with his brazen incivil comments and personal attacks not just on me, but on User:Dineshkannambadi and also highly respected historians like Mr. Suryanath Kamath et al(who have been cited in some articles by Dinesh) whom he has trashed and dismissed in the most uncivil manner possible.

Apart from this he also makes disparaging remarks on Karnataka and Karnataka politicians who he keeps claiming are oppressing and torturing Marathi speaking people in Belgaum. This is not a content dispute, this is plain nonsense and insanely belligerent language.

His incivility apart, he has made it a habit and a routine to go around all over wikipedia branding me and Dinesh as 'Kannadi' vandals bent on Kannadizing all articles we touch. Ask him if we have included any uncited material or if we has ever cited any references for his numerous claims or whether he has taken it up on the article talk page instead of on a random user talk page. His answer will be negative. And yet, that doesnt stop him from going around shouting that we have been vandalising articles!!

Anway, I dont want to veer this towards the 'content disputes' which is a whole different matter altogether. Content disputes can always be discussed and agreements reached. Let me present to you just his brazen incivility and personal attacks.

Here we go -

[4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]

Sarvagnya 22:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Sarvagnya. As you've guessed, I'm really busy in real life. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 06:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with fixing cut and paste move

Sundar, can you help merge page histories of the old Military of India with the current Indian Armed Forces. Some one had cut and pasted instead of using the Move button. Once done, redirect Indian Armed Forces to Military of India. Military of India is correct naming. I tried to fix, but could not make it work. It was too complicated. Can you tell me where I went wrong? - Ganeshk (talk) 01:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Sundar. You make it look so easy. I was going to take a ibuprofen. :) - Ganeshk (talk) 07:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sucessfully did it with article's talk page (per your instruction. WP:CUSTPASTE is too complicated) . Yahooooo! :) - Ganeshk (talk) 07:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for FPC nomination

Too bad, I didnt think about uploading hi-res pic initially :). Anyway hope to meet you at the bangalore wiki meet. - kalyan 18:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kazi Nazrul Islam and Dhaka

Yo Sundarbhai - please do find some time to check Kazi Nazrul Islam and Dhaka, both up for FAC. Rama's arrow 12:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your query at redundancy

Hi Sundar, Sry, didn't notice your comment about word definitions before. Yeah, using a thesaurus can be dangerous. The only way to learn the nuances is to read read read, I guess (and talk, if that's available). Fowler is good on subtle distinctions between some words (e.g., "gold" vs "golden", "swelled" vs "swollen"), but very selective. Tony 01:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mayiladuthurai

Sundar, Can you check please check this? Anon wants to insert text about some saints that is published in a book. I feel it is a advert. I wanted to see your take on the issue. - Ganeshk (talk) 06:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kaveri Disputes article

Hi, After a long time, I have completed the Kaveri_River_Water_Dispute article in some shape and form. Most importantly, I've added some refs. Can you please take a look at the article and let me know if there are any glaring POV or anything that has the potential to be seen as POV. If you find anything, please let me know and I will add refs. Also the refs I've already added need some cleanup. Can you help me with this. I only know to add refs the 'plain vanilla' way. Also, while I've added refs for most of the controversial or potentially controversial portions, some parts of the article is still unreferenced. I will add it in due course. For all the above reasons, I've still left the underconstruction tag on. Once I get feedback from you, I'll remove it. I'll also make this request to few other editors, so that we minimise any risk of edit warring on that article. Thanks. Sarvagnya 23:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An evening with Jimmy Wales

I thank you an all others for organizing An evening with Jimmy Wales [41]. It was a wonderful experience for me. I also request you to please update the information at: Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics/Bangalore meetup, 2006. I also thank you for your tele-call of today morning. You may have received a mail from "K" with all the names. I also give a link: [42]. Please also try to get a brief report incorporated in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost. Regards. --Bhadani 13:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sundarbot in bn-wiki

Sundar, if you want to run your Sundarbot (for adding interwiki links to ta ), let me know. I'll set the bot flag there. Thanks. --Ragib 00:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An evening with Jimmy Wales

Morning Sundar. Please evaluate the contents about the reporting on Wikipedia:Meetup/Bangalore1, and please expand the same. Please feel free to add, delete, and modify. We may have a sort of unconference at Chennai as indicated by Kiruba. I shall get in touch with him; I also request you to please discuss with him. Regards. --Bhadani 03:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

We shall meet again. BTW, it has come up in the signpost: Jimbo meets with Wikipedians in India. I had made a request to Flcelloguy. I also thank you and through you to all others at Bangalore for organizing the Meet. My thanks are also to other friends who made a point to attend the Meet. Regards. (copied from his talk page) --Bhadani 13:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You to me:Sure, we will. If Deepu and guys host us in Kerala, I'd love to participate in a meeting in Kerala as well. ;) Btw, saw the Signpost entry, nice to see.

Yes, agreed. Kerala, the God's own country, where I have sepent several months. --Bhadani 13:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure. It'd be my pleasure. :)

BTW, Sundar, can you please fix this cut-paste move from Elephants of Kerala? Thanks!-- thunderboltz^(Deepu) 06:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I fixed this cut-paste move. - Ganeshk (talk) 07:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marathi/Kannada

Looks like the dispute has come to your doorstep as well. Do you think it should go RFC? I have my statements at User:Bakasuprman/Langwar02:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian admin noticeboard

I created a Indian Administrators' noticeboard for discussions with/within Indian wikipedia administrators. Do you think we should keep it? Please comment. - Ganeshk (talk) 07:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I have listed it for deletion to see what everyone feels. - Ganeshk (talk) 17:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil wiki

Yes...I will run it soon. Do you have any ideas on converting the translation article page on Tamil wiki back to the last two columns of the towns csv file that I have sent you? Please advise. - Ganeshk (talk) 06:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

எனது IP முவவரி தடை செய்யப்பட்டுள்ளதேன். தமிழக அரசாங்கம் தமிழை வளர்ப்பதில் அக்கரைக்காட்டாத நிலையில் தனியார் முயற்சியில் தான் கலைச்சொற்கள் வளர்ச்சிபெற வேண்டும். இந்த நோக்கத்துடன் தான் தனிமங்கள் பக்கத்தில் தமிழ் பெயர்கள் இடுகையிட்டு வருகிறேன். இதையும் தடுத்து நிறுத்துவது என்றால் Wikipedia விலும் ஏதோ அரசியல் திகழ்கிறது என காட்டுகிறது.

அது வரை தமிழில் தனிமங்களின் பெயர்கள்

http://geocities.com/tamildictionary

http://www.thozhilnutpam.com

http://agaraathi.tripod.com

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ஆகிய இணையதளங்களில் தினந்தோறும் சேர்க்கப்படும். தடையின்றி வளரும் தமிழ். —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.62.10.100 (talk • contribs) .

உங்கள் நோக்கத்தை ஒன்றும் நாங்கள் குறை சொல்லவில்லை. அது பாராட்டத்தக்க முயற்சி. எங்களுக்கும் தமிழ் வளர வேண்டும் என்ற நோக்கம் உண்டு. இருப்பினும் பெரிய மாற்றங்களைச் செய்யும் முன் மற்ற பங்களிப்பாளர்களின் கருத்தை அறிய வேண்டும். பல பயனர்கள் பல முறை உங்கள் பேச்சுப் பக்கத்தில் செய்திகள் விடுத்தும் (ta:பயனர் பேச்சு:தொழில்நுட்பம், ta:பயனர் பேச்சு:198.62.10.100) நீங்கள் பதிலேதும் கூறாமல் உங்கள் மாற்றங்களைச் செய்து வந்ததே இந்த இடைக்காலத் தடைக்குக் காரணம். நீங்கள் மற்ற பயனர்களைக் கலந்து இனி பங்களிப்பீர்களென்றால் உடனடியாக உங்கள் தடையை நீக்கிவிடுகிறேன். -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 10:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

நான் கவனிக்கவில்லை... எனக்கு இது கொஞ்சம் புதியது. என்ன செய்ய வேண்டும்? நான் புகுபதிகை செய்துள்ளேன். இப்போது தனிமங்கள் பெயர் நிலைத்த நிலையில் இல்லை. இவை வரலாறு / ஆங்கில சொற்பிறப்பு / இயற்பியல் தன்மைகள் ஆகியவை அடிப்படைகளில் சூட்டப்பட்டுள்ளன. இப்பெயர்களை தகுந்தபடி தேவையெனில் மாற்றியமைக்கலாம். தமிழ் பாரம்பரிய தனிமப் பெயர்களை அப்படியே கொடுத்துள்ளேன். எல்லோறும் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளும் தனிமப் பெயர்களை geocities.com/tamildictionary யிலும் புதுப்பிப்பு செய்வேன். எல்லோரும் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளும் தமிழ் பெயர்களை தமிழக அரசுக்கு தெரிவிக்கவேண்டும்.

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the congrats Sundar. Hope all is well and early Deepavali greetings. -- Samir धर्म 01:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I haven't felt more satisfaction since POI made the front page! Happy Diwali and New Year from me too! Rama's arrow 14:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cholas

Yes Sundar. It is great see that this is finally going to be on the homepage! We should also look at starting the process of peer review and FAC for History of Tamil Nadu and Tamil literature soon. I will spend some time copyediting these two. If you have a bit of time can you also dip in? -Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 20:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed in Carnatic Music edit wars

I find that two users Skris and Sarvagnya are reverting edits completely unreasonably. I have provided evidences from authentic sources and yet, they are pusing for their POV rather than being neutral and inclusive. The Carntic Music page has not progressed due to such unreasonable edits. The time put in to improve the article gets wasted. I don't know how to seek arbitration. I'll also post a copy of this in User Venu62 who had maintained objectivity in a tireless manner. Please advise. Thanks --Aadal 20:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Would you please take a look at the unreasonable repeated reverts to my eidts in the Carnatic music page? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.--Aadal 03:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input in the Carnatic Music Page. I've left the followin message in the admin who protected the page// Thanks for protecting the page. I have provided my responses (about 3-4 for now). I think someone has to take a look and let us know how this consensus building will happen. I think it may be necessary to keep it protected for a considerable time// Curious to know how this consensus building will take place. I'm not in a hurry, but can someone like you or the other admin take a stand to reistate the facts (my constructive edits) in the article? I don't know the process, so if it is premature, please let me know. Thanks. --Aadal 23:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transcription help needed

Sundar, hope you can find some time to check the reference in M._Krishnan and add the Tamil transcription into it. thanks. Shyamal 10:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chola

Please dont feed false info to the world about Chola power diminishing in 14th century. In fact your exaggeraton is no better than the vandalism going on right now. Let us give the world accurate history. (while there is no doubt the Cholas were great in their own right)

Dineshkannambadi

[edit] History of Tamil Nadu

Hi Sundar, I have inserted extensive citations in the History of Tamil Nadu article. I think it is now in a state for a round of copyedit and review. If you and Arvid could spare some time to go through this article, we can move towards peer review and then FAC. Appreciate your help - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 06:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Sundar for your suggestions. I have expanded the Lead para. I have also tried to condense the article, but without much success. It is very hard to reduce it without losing information given the extent of time this article covers. I'm open for any ideas. - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 01:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rfas

could you please clarify what a wikipedia rfa is? I am new. please tell me on my talk page. thnx. --Endgame1 12:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry about accusation

No offense meant or taken. Good luck!!

Dineshkannambadi

[edit] Wrong revert on Ettayapuram

My apologies - the markup seemed like some of the spam I saw earlier today. It's getting late... - ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 08:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brahminical culture and Dravidians

If you have time to spare, please help cleaning up the article. Obviously, I don't want it deleted because the topic as now given by its title isn't notable. It is just devoid of almost any value at all so far. If you could help cleaning it up and organizing it, we could then go forward and decide if it should be a sub-article to some existing article, or a main article in its own right, or if it should just be merged somewhere. regards, dab (ᛏ) 08:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

no, the original title was "Aryan theory and Tamils". "Brahminical culture and Dravidians" is fine, but it is unclear if the article should be separate from Tamil brahmins. dab (ᛏ) 09:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a complete mess, isn't it? From my perspective, the biggest issue is trying to figure out what the article's focus ought to be. The history of Brahmins in TN and Jaffna? Theories about the "Sanskritisation" of Tamil society during the Pallava period and thereafter? The history of the caste system in TN and Jaffna? Once we get a sense of that cleaning the article up will be relatively easy, but at the moment I'm not sure at all what the article should be about. -- Arvind 10:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: River names

I would be happy to follow any policy. The reason I did change river names originally was to make links work -- I ran across so many that did not, like Thamirabarani River vs river Thamirabarani, so I aimed for consistency. A similar problem exists with using district capital names as a substitute for the district name. My aim is to get links to work and, secondarily to use full names so a town will not be prevented from having an article because it's name is the same as a river or district etc. I would love to have a consistent policy that everyone would follow so links will work and would be happy to do so. I'll gladly follow your advice on how to handle this problem. Mattisse(talk) 10:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Carnatic Music

Thanks Sundar for your advice about the next steps to be taken.--Aadal 14:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Would you or User:Robdurbar or some other admin come and check what is going on in the Carnatic music page? I've provided ample material. User:Skris is not using appropriate language and does not properly engage in discussing the isses, in my view. I believe some admin should step in and advise us.--Aadal 18:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, please see Talk:Carnatic_music#Nothing_else_to_say.3F and do what you deem fit. Thanks. -- ॐ Kris ( talk | contribs) 09:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Sundar, would you please see the Carnatic Music Page discussions and see what needs to be done. User:Skris is reverting FACTS added (7th century music inscription, Kumiyan malai. A citation to the book containing the Carnatic Compositions of Tamil Trinity, Solfege terms in Tamil from pre-200CE). I've provided support with very specific references. would you please review the statements in the discussion and how best it can be resolved. I'm arguing for inclusive description and User: Skris is arguing for exclusion. There is clear anti-tamil bias in the history of edit-reverts and it can be easily proven. Something has to be done to maintain NPOV.--Aadal 15:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WT:INWNB question

I didn't ask a question about the capitalization issue at INWNB because there did not seem to be a right place (with recent activity) to ask it. I read all the material and policies there and did not see it addressed. I have noticed that even on the articles about rivers that I did not write, the article name seems to be "Rivername River", at least the ones I have seen. District is more inconsistent. The one I really struggle with is "temple" -- as it is seen both capitalized and not. I struggle within myself over that issue and have even changed the name of an article I am writing because I start to feel the opposite of the way I started out. (Hope that makes sense!) Mattisse(talk) 21:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Deepawali

Image:DiwaliSwastika.jpg Wish You a Happy and Prosperous Deepawali (IndianCow)

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[edit] FYI

[43]. Thanks. Sarvagnya 22:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Syed Ahmed Khan

Hi - I request you to please visit Syed Ahmed Khan and its FAC. I need your input, advice and criticism. Many thanks, Rama's arrow 01:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Diwali!

[edit] Another Diwali greeting!

Happy Diwali from BostonMA ^talk 12:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The lighted path

I thank you for your greetings. I wish you All The Best on the ocasion of the Indian festival of light, Diwali. I am sure that the light of hope, confidence, and all positive attributes shall always remain inside you – lighting your path and guiding you to attain higher and higher levels of excellence in all your endevours! All the best! --Bhadani 15:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Diwali!

I wish you and your family a happy "Festival of Lights"! Nishkid64 17:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] greetings

Happy Dipawali to you and your family! Rama's arrow 22:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Diwali

Enjoy your Diwali... I suppose that the next Diwali will be in your father-in-law's house :) and you have to be very "Civil" over there ..... So enjoy now :) :) :)  Doctor Bruno  06:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, (for Diwali mood) fire works are already blazing at [44] and [45] and [46] Can't we do something. It is getting very horrible over there  Doctor Bruno  06:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

A belated happy Diwali!--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

Need some advice on how to handle the articles named at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Kerala#Delete_.2F_Merge - redirects like Muringakkaya ,Thakkali, Vendakka, Vazhakka, Kallu Shap etc :-) They were created by a regular editor, so we don't want to create a confrontational situation either. Tintin (talk) 11:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Tintin (talk) 08:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)