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[edit] Peer Review

The article on Thiruvananthapuram district is expanded. I am inviting the members to perform a peer review. -- Rajith Mohan :) (Talk to me...) 07:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

If you are going for a formal review, please add it in Wikipedia:Peer review and also put a note in Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. If you are looking only for an informal review by fellow Mallus this page is fine. Tintin (talk) 07:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD for Pradip Somasundaran

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pradip Somasundaran

Tintin Thanks for the invitation. Yes we are very passionate about music and musicians of Kerala. Don't you think some guys like Ageo are unnecessarily making it very personal? I know my music very well. Me and Jyothis have done quite a bit of searching on this guy and also know him well through T.v programs. If we were to go for a public poll where everyone in Kerala is allowed to vote then beware! We all will be beaten to pulp by his fans especially the female and middle aged ones(they like old songs which he specialises in) and those who watch T.V:-). Such is his popularity and respect here. He is more respected than adored like some others like vidhu pratap or afsal. Maybe since he is a lecturer. Some programs like Anjali on Amrita run due to him. Since he appears almost every day on Doordarshan his face is familir to every T.V watcher from 1996! He is a quiet guy who IMHO is being treated very badly by the so called film industry. If he were to sing more in films he would be the best after K.J.Y, M.G Sreekumar and P.Jayachandran. But he is sticking on to his job also(I am a lecturer too so think best for him to do)But he is a computer hardware geek and linux geek too! He came to our college to give a lecture on Linuxsome years back! His knowledge on linux and music are vast. You can know his talent from his blog..his songs are a treat...So guys I think instead of treating a fellow malayalee like this, help me and jyothis out on this. We are here to stay. Jyothis is already in malayalam wiki.I am determined to get all our great singers here.Also willing to help you guys on any thing you want. But first help us out on this issue and let's stop giving "paras" to each other:-). Let's be united..and we can do wonders for malayalam and malayalees....If we do not know about something best to admit it than clinging on to nothing.(Tintin u did the right thing...ur attitude has been very good) Thanks....Let's move as friends...Please ask Ageo also to calm down. I do not keep any personal vengeance with anyone. If we are to create great articles we should be united and not scattered! Also jyothis has put so much of his time and energy in talking to the poor guy over phone and managed to get some info from him. He was shy and wanted to stay away from all this. So jyothis had a tough time. But now the article is full of all the minute details and achievements of this guy and well documented and is fully verifiable. So now the fight is only about battered ego's. Let's do away with those ego's. Anyway it was due to all this fight that we all could get so much info on the guy! So let this article remain. Help us to help you...

ooops forgot to login and sign...

--Gluewhale 17:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Pradip Somasundaran

Are u joking friends? Shame...Shame....! Pradip Somasundaran is non notable...?!!! U guys r living in which pottakkulam...? What happened to Kerala Wikipedians...? If u feel so I'm sure that they are not fit to edit the page of a great musician. I think some guys are using this page to exhibit their nonsenses and ignorance.They are so childish...? Pradeep is a great musician ,no doubt. We all love his music. Only a diamond merchant can judge a diomond. Remember ...but Stay Cool! Rafeeq ali 12:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD : Keralavarma College

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sree Kerala Varma college, Thrissur

[edit] S.A.Qudsi

User:Qudsi, the creator and subject of the article blanked it. Tintin (talk) 02:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm..another tough one. He does find mention in The Hindu a few times [1]. I think he blanked the article because of the message he got on his talk page. Gosh..notability is such a tricky issue — almost impossible to ascertain. Since he has written/translated 6 books[citation needed][2], I think me might be notable.-- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK14:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scent of a Woman

please add your women issues and articles here

[edit] Dreams From America--Ms. Valsala Sekhar

The world is progressively moving forward with improvements, and developments in various spheres. Man has used his wisdom from inventing the wheel, to technology that has gone into taking him into, the moon. Dominance of Man in every field has given rise, to womanpower, who desire recognition and understand the need to explore their dormant competence levels that exist within them. This has resulted in giving the male counter parts a rush of adrenalin to improve their competitive advantage. Women have been able to make great inroads, within all fields, molding themselves into excellent Leadership and Management roles within organizations as well as in family setups. Highlighting one such example of a woman that has been able to transform and grow from rather stringent cultural societies, to a modern and visionary individual is Ms. Valsala Sekhar


Profile-Ms.Valsala Sekhar

Ms.Valsala was born and groomed within a middle class and strong cultural focused family in a village named Vithura, in the District of Trivandrum. Academically she completed her Bachelors from, ‘Woman’s College, Trivandrum, and further went on to complete her Masters from University of Maryland USA. She was able to balance her academics with extra curricular activities whereby she had the honor to represent Kerala University in the hockey team. Her ability to take on Competitive Examinations in India landed her the opportunity to serve as the first Women Inspector to be directly recruited into the Customs and Central Excise within the State Of Kerala. The beckoning of the West and the opportunities lying ahead, Valsala moved into the United States with her husband Mr.Chandra Sekhar, who is a Rating Manager with Patterson Smith Associates, an Independent Insurance Agency. In order to enhance her opportunities she completed her Masters from the University of Maryland, which eventually landed her an assignment with the United States Senate Technology Development Division, as the Project Leader for Software Quality Assurance. All Praise and Honor for Ms. Valsala for being the first individual from the State of Kerala to be assigned with such an enviable Position.


Balancing her commitment with Profession and family, Valsala has been successful in the upbringing of her two daughters, who were able to script their careers with the able guidance of their mother. Malini the eldest daughter aged 24, a graduate from Wellesley College-Massachusetts and presently working with the United States Senate Energy Committee as Staff Assistant. The younger daughter Sonia aged 18 is a final year student in High School. Maintaining family traditions, to preserve and sustain the cultural background, the children have taken great interest in Indian Art and trained themselves to be competent Bharathnatyam Dancers taking part in various cultural programmes.


THE QUEST

In her search to sustain and encourage the Indian community to hold steadfast to culture and art, and not embrace the western values she maintained an active role within the Kerala Association of Greater Washington (KAGWC). This provided her the platform to bring together numerous families who unsolicited their inputs, which eventually cascaded to a single focal point, their desire to encourage and sustain the rich cultural themes. In one of her Quotes, “I always tell my children that India may be poor or a developing country, but we are not behind anybody when it comes to cultural wealth”. During her association with the Indian Community, she revealed that Dance, Drama and other kind of performing arts were her passion even before coming to the United States. She had used her ability to coordinate and act in school and college plays and dance functions.


Valsala subscribed to every organization, which promoted the cultural heritage of Kerala, in order to transfer her contribution of knowledge and build relationships, which is a strong attribute of the people of Kerala. Nevertheless, the life of Indo-American Keralites have always revolved around a strong attachment to culture and values, which projects the intensity of Indian Cultural Heritage that is absorbed into ones routine of life. The younger generation exposed within the western culture, adapt to the western life style, and this has prompted Valsala to establish an Organization-thus the birth of USHAS- that promoted cultural programmes within the United States and also bring in exchange programmes highlighting the rich cultural heritage that exists in “God’s on Country-Kerala.


ACHIEVEMENTS AND CURRENT AFFAIRS

Valsala’s deep conviction and desire to promote Indian culture promoted her to co-ordinate numerous cultural programmes/festivals, which represent Kerala, held in the city of Washington. During the years of co-ordination and reaching the unconsciously competent stage of producing stage programmes/festivals Valsala progressively understood the need to bring about quality in order to communicate to the Indian and non Indian Community.

USHAS which means ‘dawn’ and the acronym for “United States and Hind Artists Society” is being used as a platform to bring rich culture to Indo-American people of Kerala origin and well as non Indian people who value and treasure the rich Cultural Heritage. Enhancing the awareness of Indian culture, and the life of Indian immigrants in the United States, Television was used as a medium to reach out to the masses across the Western and other continents of the world.


In one of Valsala interviews with Asianet during the programme ‘Suprabhatham’ in the year 2000,she was able to highlight a holistic view on the life the Keralities the fortunes and misfortunes that befall them.

Thus, various scripts were studied to bring out the essence of Life of Keralites in the United States through Television serials. The serial ‘American Dreams’ is one such serial that is being telecast after conducting an exhaustive analysis on the life of Keralites by Mr.Renjith Shanker. Shajiyem the well-known director can boat of casting some veteran actors like Padmini, Geetha K S, Ravi Vallathol, Mallika Sukumaran and Sarath, in addition to a host of talented local actors, in the lead roles. The telecast of the serial, took a while since there were major technical hurdles along the way, but Commitment and Determination by Ms. Valsala transformed her aspirations into reality, and today the “American Dreams” has a wide viewer ship. American Dreams may be viewed on Asia net Prime Channel at 9- 8am IST every Sunday.

On the Final question on the objective of USHAS

Valsala concludes,” I think we have all the elements to put together an excellent product, and if nothing else, I think it will be wonderful leaning experience that gives the artists from here and India a chance to creatively work together and interact”.

Compiled by Sapna Anu B.George sapna_george@hotmail.com


[edit] S.Jithesh

This badly written article about a cartoonist who appears to be non-notable. It had been tagged for speedy delete but I moved to prod. If someone wants to save it please do, but please rewrite the article to something that looks decent. The same guy has also created Chiricheppu. Tintin (talk) 12:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

He now has gone on an edit spree. He removed the prod from S. Jithesh (which editors are allowed to do), but also added his name in Caricature, Cartoon, List of famous Keralites and List of famous Nairs. I removed it from Caricature and Cartoon (he certainly isn't big enough for a place there), but I am not sure how notable he and Chiricheppu are. Can those who live in Kerala please comment on whether they deserve an article. Tintin (talk) 07:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Both the cartoonist and the CHIRICHEPPU seems to be highly non-notable. I am removing his reference from all the lists and suggest putting all the related articles for afd...--Raghu 15:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Mohan and Jitesh, please understand that you have to pass stringent notability tests in order to deserve mention on wikipedia. Chiricheppu fails the notablity test drastically, with no solid mention in google. Please dont take this personally. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK05:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD : S.A.Qudsi

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S.A.Qudsi

[edit] days in month

From Talk:Malayalam calendar:
can somebody please mention the no. of days in a month and days in a year for the malyalam calender.nids 10:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kerala School - An is it just me question.

The first time I saw this article (a couple of months back), I thought it was a hoax — it was just too good to be true. A little bit of googling, and I end up flabbergasted. Indeed as the article claims, the father of analytical mathematics is a Kochikaaran. And calculus took shape on God's Own soil, and not under an apple tree, as I had believed.

Is it just me, or has anyone heard of Madhava of Sangamagrama before? My first impulse was to check my NCERT textbooks. Well, he doesn't figure anywhere there. No wonder I was speechless when an anon asked me at Talk:Calculus to quote from Madhava as he should be famous in India. I'm amazed the Kerala Government hasnt done anything (or have they?) on this front. At least the tourism dept should have seen the enormous tourism potential in this.

So I ask: Where was this Kerala school set up? Is it still functoning (the page suggests so!). Whatever happened to all the books that they wrote? Where is Yuktibhasa, the world's first calculus text kept? Why are there no pictures of Madhava or his students available anywhere online, despite the fact that he lived centuries after Aryabhata (whose pictures are there everywhere)?

And oh...if anybody here is good at mathematics, there's a lot of unanswered questions waiting you at Talk:Madhava of Sangamagrama.

<end rant/> -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK

I first read about this three or four years back at http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/Projects/Pearce/index.html. A whole chapter is dedicated for Kerala alone. Pathetic that they don't teach us any of this at school. Tintin (talk) 05:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Phew! So it wasnt just me afterall. Any idea about the latter part of my rant? About the status of the school and all.. Also, it certainly wasnt called Kerala school of Mathematics and Astronomy. Any idea what the Malayalam name was?-- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK09:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD: Chiricheppu

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chiricheppu

[edit] Story of Chaplin and tears behind smile

I love walking in the rain Because nobody can see me crying....Chaplin .Did this word touched any heart?Every smile has a story of tears behind... .We the loving readers of chiricheppu tries to realise this truth. go ahead ......No one can delete you from the minds of readers.why people are becoming so much monster-eyed sadistic . why we have to put off the streamig lights of virtue.remember friends....it is very easy to destroy.but creaion is devine and difficult

By Nileena joseph,a great fan of poetry and cartoons —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nileena joseph (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Happy New Year!!

Pudiya Swapnangalum, pudiya pradeekshakalum ayi itha veendum Malayalikalude puduvarsham. Ennu Chingam 1. Ente priyapetta wiki kootukaarku ente hridayam niranja putuvatsarashamsakal. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK13:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moonnamathoral

Hi! If anybody has seen this movie, could you please complete the plot? I did a bit from a couple of reviews I read. Thanks in advance.-- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK12:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On Prod

List of Kerala cartoonists Tintin (talk) 06:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kumaranalloor Mani AFD

This person gets zero non-wikipedia google hits [3] so maybe someone with local knowledge could attempt to verify his existence? Kappa 04:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1960s Famine

The Bengal famine of 1943 article claims that there has never been a famine in India since Independence. However, I maintain that there was a famine in Kerala sometime during the 1960s (late 60s-early 70s?). For that reason, I edited all parts of the article claiming that India has never had a single famine since then.

Jayanta Sen has reverted my edits because he wants numbers to prove that there really was a famine and not just a shortage of rice. Does anybody have any written sources concerning the number of Malayalees who died as a result of the famine? (Snehamulla, Vijayan :))--Kuaichik 02:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

According to my dad, there was a major flood in the late 1950s or the early 1960s, and Kerala experienced severe shortage of food. America immediately offered maize to prevent a famine from occurring. Hence, my dad is of the opinion that there was no famine, in the actual sense of the word (as far as he remembers). The event did turn into a big political issue, though, with the commies alleging ulterior motives behind America's move.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 06:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
That's the one I'm talking about. Appa claims that the Americans sent (among other things?) much flour, and to this day, he personally prefers American flour to Indian flour. He says that if the Americans had not sent food supplies, "many more people would have died." Many more? Does that mean...that people already had died due to a shortage of food before the Americans acted? Just an idea. You and your dad are probably right, though. Sometimes I take Appa's statements too literally. And I'm sure it was part of the American anti-communist effort; if I'm not much mistaken, the American-backed reactionary movement in Kerala began around the same time. --Kuaichik 15:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I remember my father and my mother talking about a famine in the 60s. I still remember it because my mother said that she had to eat Chappati the whole time, instead of rice. rohith 12:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion proposals

[edit] Beware!

Some ill-motivated users are desperately vandalising Nair article because they find the new additions an eyesore. Well meaning users are requested to keep a watchful eye on the article against possible vandalising. Kuntan 10:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The fellow is on a rampage. He has removed tags from Unnithan Thambi, Samanthan etc.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kuntan (talk • contribs) .

A {{prod}}, if removed, should not be reinforced on. This means that the deletion proposal is contested. The article should then be sent to WP:AfD.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 10:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I did it out of sheer ignorance. Now, what should I do about it? I was misled by somebody's comment on another user's page about unmindful detagging not noticing the case was different. .[[4]].(I don't how I can get the link of the specific section.) Will someone care to remove the tag or should I do it myelf? Which is the proper thing to do? I don't have the least doubt about the vandalising purpose of the fellow who I said was on a rampage. He removed the tags without rhyme or reason. However, since I went out of way to re-insert the tags, it needs to be undone. Thampi, Samanthan and Unnithan are the articles thus re-tagged. Kuntan 12:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
That is fine, Kuntan. Just send the articles to WP:AfD if you strongly feel they need to be deleted. Since the prod was contested, you need to gather concensus from the community now. Since you've placed other articles there, I gather you are familiar with the process.
Linking to a particular section is easy. To link to the "City's Importance and Future prospects" section on the Thiruvananthapuram article, simply give the link as [[Trivandrum#City's_Importance_and_Future_prospects]]-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 06:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disgusting

The Kerala users need to be ashamed of the article Nair. The "savarna" Nairs (how they got that varna!) think certain sub-castes which bear the name Nair are so inferior that they should not be mentioned along with those NSS- Okayed creamy Nairs. So they won't allow edits which list those "inferior" sub-castes along with the "noble" strata. They have condescendingly given those "untouchables" a general category of "others" and very particularly mention that they (the others) don't have anything to do with the "above mentioned Nairs" and also that they have been "raised in rank" "to serve Nairs" See the following excerpt.

"Others

These were people who were initially Avarna castes but later raised in rank and made to serve Nairs and other forward castes. However the above mentioned Nairs never maintained any social contact with them and practised untouchability. Due to their economic and social backwardness, they are today reserved in the OBC (Other Backward Classes) List." I am not familiar enough with Wiki to ascertain which policies this disgusting article violates. But I am sure this is barbaric and goes against the grain of humaninsm. Kuntan 16:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheap, isn't this?

See one of our Advocates commenting on this talkpage, [[5]]. Wretched wooing! Kuntan 10:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Stop Personal Attacks

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Adv. P. R. Bijuchandran 03:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Stay cool, you must. And stop the indecent hot pursuit of female names.Kuntan 10:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

What a wonder! Here a name reveals the quality of a person. Adv. P. R. Bijuchandran 18:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Depends on the way you look. Kuntan 18:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles for deletion

Kerala-related Afd and prod listings for the week follows below.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 09:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The following Kerala-related articles have been proposed for deletion:

  • Movie halls in Ernakulam town
  • College of Engineering, Kottarakara
  • Grihasree deproded

Kerala related Articles for deletion include:

Ignorance stinks and conspiracy wins. Kuntan 17:22, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Er..if that was aimed at the above AfD, please add it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poomulli. Thanks!-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 08:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request of new article

I am placing a request to start a new article on Sreekanteswaram Padmanabha Pilla, popularly known as Sreekanteswaram. He is the author of the first and very comprehensive and very much authentic dictionary in Malayalam, the Shabdataravali. Much information about the book or the author is not available through internet. It would be great if we can publish a good article about him and his book in wikipedia, the great encyclopedia.--Samaleks 16:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kutty

Was on Speedy. I think it should go through AfD. abakharev 10:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep but stub. Looks notable: The Hindu, maybe QuiteUnusual 11:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Sankaran Kutty the cartoonist and Sankaran Kutty the erstwhile member of the Kerala Legislative Assembly are two different people, if the cartoonist's autobiography is correct. Uncle G 15:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment It's one line is a copyvio from that external link. The JPStalk to me 12:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep This seems like one of those situations where someone could be quite notable and google wouldn't be that helpful. I'd love to find some sources but when I look at his career of political cartooning, it's difficult to imagine an american cartoonist with that many credits and such a long career who wouldn't be notable. A little digging: [6] mentioned in the obit of another cartoonist in a way that implies (though doesn't assert) notability. (edit conflict) I think a one sentence copyvio is pretty easy to fix. Dina 12:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I know, but if it's original author can't be bothered to write an article, then neither can I. The JPStalk to me 12:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - Kutty is a common last name in Kerala. I think I will move the (info on the) page to P.K. Sankaran Kutty . Article info moved to P.K. Sankaran Kutty Bakaman Bakatalk 19:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - per dina.Bakaman Bakatalk 19:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep' - the cartoonist is notable, but the article is in a very sorry state. It needs to be expanded. --Ragib 19:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Conditional Weak Keep the article is about a notable person; however, it needs serious work. As mentioned before, the single line it contains is a copyvio of the one external link provided. My vote is "weak keep" as long as the article gets completely rewritten. Wikipediarules2221 21:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep. Re-written. utcursch | talk 06:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. Bakaman Bakatalk 00:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and wikify. Dekimasu 10:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep .-Bharatveer 10:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Very Strong Keep- Sankarankutty was a renowned cartoonist and artist who lived in Kerala. He had drawn more than 20000 book covers. Most of them were for DC books,kottayam.
  • This article is very much informative.A person from a foreign country may be ignorant about the fame and notability of an artist in Kerala.It is natural. As a journalist in kerala I have no doubt about his notability.Most of the Malayalam periodicals had published his cartoons and artworks. Nileena joseph 11:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • This article should be moved to Kutty (cartoonist). Noone knows him as "Puthukkody Kottuthody Sankaran Kutty". Tintin (talk) 11:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
    • It has a redirect from Kutty, though, so I think it's okay. Maybe we'll need a disambig there at some point. --Satori Son 21:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[edit] Delete / Merge

I am presenting some deletion/merge proposals here. While I am keen to know the opinion of users from Kerala, feedback from any user is welcome.

  • Malayalam words as redirects: http://en.wikipedia.org is an English encyclopedia. When someone intends to search for some information here, that person has to search in English. The guidelines regarding article titles are applicable to redirects as well (WP:NAME.: “ Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form.”) So are these redirects necessary : Muringakkaya ,Thakkali ,Puli ,Matthan ,Kurumulaku,Payar,Ulli ,Vendakka ,Sarkara ,Veluthulli ,Vellarikka ,Mottakkoosu ,Kaipakka ,Vazhakka, Kumbalanga ,Kayam. ( These are all Malayalam words) Are we going to create redirects for all articles in all languages?


  • List of Places: These are necessary and it helps users. But it should be arranged in a manner to help search easier. Will it help if we randomly create lists like these : Pilgrimage centres in Kannur district, Places of Interest in Kannur district , Places near Kannur town , Important Places in Payyanur Area. These are not stand alone lists. If a user wants to find a place in Kannur, (s)he will first visit the page Kannur. No one will try search “Places near ABC", etc. So my suggestion is that, associated with each District page, we maintain some lists: List of Important places in ABC, List of Educational Institutions in ABC, List of Hospitals in ABC, etc. (But not Pilgrimage centres in ABC, Institutions of Higher Learning in ABC, Hindu Temples in ABC, etc. ) These should be linked to the relevant section of the page of ABC. The lists can then be divided into different sections. Eg: List of Important places in ABC into List of tourist places in ABC, List of pilgrimage centers in ABC. List of Educational Institutions in ABC into List of engineering colleges in ABC, List of Universities ABC etc. If any of these sections become too large, (then and then only) we can develop it as a new list. This should then be linked to the parent list and a brief description should also be given in the parent list. This is necessary not only to maintain a style but to make navigation (for users) and contribution (for editors) easier. Regarding the lists that I have seen, I have this suggestion..


Merge these into one and subdivide: Important Places near Thrissur City, Places in Thrissur Rural, Places of Worship near Thrissur City, Hindu Temples in Thrissur Rural. (Not that there is no article on Thrissur City or Thrissur Rural. (There is no need either.) These terms are not defined. So lists like Places in Thrissur Rural lack any context)
Merge these into one and subdivide: Institutions of Higher Education in Thrissur Rural, Educational Institutions in Thrissur City
Merge these into one and subdivide: Pilgrimage centres in Kannur district , Places of Interest in Kannur district , Places near Kannur town , Important Places in Payyanur Area
Merge these into one and subdivide: Pilgrimage centres in Ernakulam district , Pilgrimage centres near Ernakulam town , Places of interest in Ernakulam district , Places of interest in and around Ernakulam
Rename/ Merge to Educational Institutions in Ernakulam: Institutions of Higher Learning in Ernakulam Town
Delete : Nearby places to Kozhencherry.


  • Place names: I do not know whether there is any accepted policy regarding notability of places. (there is a proposal WP:LOCAL). Even in the absence of any specific guideline, we have to keep in mind that every such artcle cretaed has to esablsh its notbility. That is, there cannot be articles just about any place . We can discuss to generate some (Kerala)specific informal guidelines in this regard. In the meantime, I have this suggestion. Do not create articles with just one line (ABC is a small village in XYZ). If you expect some one else to develop it, wait for that person to create it as well. If the place is notable, you will be able to contribute at least five or six sentences. (in conformity with : “wikipedia is not a directory”WP:NOT )


  • I am also interested to see some justification for the existence of the following articles/ redirects in wikipedia: Procession of caparisoned elephants , The processions of richly caparisoned elephants, Kallu Shap , Toddy from coconut tree, Brahman's

It is possible that some of these suggestiions were discussued earlier. There could also be some technical reasons ( as in the case of redirects) for keeping these. I am presenting this here to know it. Please don’t take offence if you had contributed to any of these article I mentioned. My only concern is to maintain wikipedia as an ENCYCLOPEDIA. From the experience in a previous AFD discussion, I also request you to tell ( in case you intend to justify) why these articles should be kept as per the wikipedia policies. Please remember that, not everything that is useful, can be put in wikipeida. (WP:NOT). Some of them may be suited to Wiktionary, Wikinews , Yellowikis or Wikitravel. Clt13 10:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I see that Procession of caparisoned elephants and The processions of richly caparisoned elephants exist no more. Clt13 05:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


In this context, I would like to request users dealing with Kerala related contents to refrain from creating stupid articles, adding unintelligent information and using uneducated language. I have in mind articles like these: Marmam, Pudiyankam-Kattusseri Vela,G. K. Mani, IFFK, Vatakara, Govindapuram, Kozhikode, & co. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kundan After Sundown (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Workgroup-level quality statistics

Please read. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 08:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

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The result was Delete ~ trialsanderrors 01:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jansanskrity and related articles

Fails WP:ORG. Related, non-notable articles: Jansanskrity[7], A.N.Damodaran[8], Jansanskriti,mayurvihar phase3, Jsmv3, Sargotsavam[9]. Google returns very few unrelated results (0 for Jansanskrity). Delete. utcursch | talk 11:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

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  • keep but merge stubs into Jansanskrity. base notability of the main is established and the program is growing, there is no need to alienate them now by deleting them. i'd put this delete under 'systematic bias', which is present in using google for non-english searches. that said, citations are needed.--Buridan 13:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
This is no systematic bias and there is no attempt to "alienate" the articles -- I am from India. Can you please explain how the "base notability of the main is established"? There are no citations, no sources -- the burden on evidence lies on the contributors, not the AFD nominators. There are many such organizations -- Jansanskrity fails WP:ORG. Wikipedia is not a vehicle to make sure "growing programs" grow more. utcursch | talk 09:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
this is more of a keep all as they are made than a delete one because the rest are not made in my mind. i think it passes wp:org given its press coverage. --Buridan 13:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Press coverage? Where? What? utcursch | talk 15:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak delete Keep and merge stubs per Buridan A google search for "Jansanskriti" is a bit better, but in an open-minded way I'm not persuaded of notability against WP:ORG. Does it measure up in the context of Category:Arts organizations? (And spotting one odd one already there, I've just nominated Durham Association for Downtown Arts as well). --Mereda 17:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC) The AFD I started on that local and low-profile US arts organization as a kind of controlled experiment is heading towards "Keep". So, for consistency, I'll change my vote here. --Mereda 06:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC) Comment I'm changing back to my original view - just for consistency! - since we've now merged and redirected that US organization into a "Culture" section for its parent city.--Mereda 16:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Google search for Jansanskriti gets 30 results, some of which are about a journal called "Hindutva Jansanskriti" and about another organization called "Jansanskriti Manch". utcursch | talk 09:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hindutva cannot have a 'Jansanskrity'. Because Jansanskrity means 'People's Culture' and Hindutva does not believe in either people as a starting point for any sociological discourse or in the existence of any such thing as people's culture. So thats not a valid reason for the deletion of this article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 221.134.229.4 (talk • contribs) .
Firstly, this is not the reason the article has been nominated for deletion. Secondly, "Hindutva Jansanskriti" exists[10]. utcursch | talk 13:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete all. Main article fails WP:ORG and is unverifiable. Others are also clearly not notable enough to get coverage. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

searching jansanskriti(an alternative spelling of jansanskrity?)brings a few evidences to prove the existence of an organisation by that name[11]The HinduHindustan timesDeepika[12][13]Mathewjoe 11:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)mathewjoe

I'm not saying that the organization doesn't exist. It does, and probably has done some good work too. But it doesn't seem to be notable enough to deserve an article on Wikipedia. By the way, four of the links provided by you result in "page not found"s:
utcursch | talk 11:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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  • Delete. Seems to be unverifiable. Very little sources, none are mentioned in the article. I find the "keep" comments unconvincing. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 01:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment 404s can often be solved by checking the Wayback Machine. Unfortunately, I got nothing for the first link, which greatly lowered my interest in continuing to investigate. I'm somewhat torn, so I choose to abstain. Xtifr tälk 01:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Even if those links work, there is no sign of notability. The links provided do not establish notability. [15] is about a play, and mentions that the play was staged at the National School of Drama as part of a theatre festival by this organization. utcursch | talk 04:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] AFD S. Jithesh

S. Jithesh's article has been resurrected and its AFD can be found here.

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The result was CANCELLED. Massive sockpuppetry here [16] making the debate basically meaningless. A re-run in a sock-free environment is needed. -Splash - tk 17:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] S. Jithesh

Non notable political cartoonist. No google hits at all. All the external links in the article are from blogs. The articles earlier AFD can be found here. The magazine Chiricheepu was also deleted and its Afd. --Ageo020 (Talk • Contribs) 03:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 10:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, a little reluctantly, because he's obviously a talented cartoonst, but more evience needed of notability. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Evaluating an article where the references are not online is frustrating, but references are references, online or not. I confirmed one of his books at the Library of Congress, which uses a different transliteration for his name. On that basis, I think notability and verifiability are established. Is there a Cartoonists' Association of India which has awarded him a prize or in which he has held office? That would be worth mentioning. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 14:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment LOC's and S jithesh's link [17]

But the library has a book on every author. Does this make him noteworthy--Ageo020 (Talk • Contribs) 21:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

      • Not every author of a book in the Library of Congress' collection is notable. However, since list of books in the article didn't include ISBN, I wanted to verify that the books exist. I was able to find one of the books listed in the article. The Library of Congress listing establishes verifiability rather than notability. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 03:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Very Strong Keep-I'm a journalist in Malayalam. I'm very familiar with his name.He is highly notable in the field of cartooning. His cartoons and anatomical sketches reveals his mastery over the art. Please see the external links [18]. Those who have firsthand knowledge in fine arts can easily judge his skills. He used to draw and write for all major Malayalam Publications. -- Nileena joseph 18:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment great to have local input, but I'm afraid that the issue here is not what we make of his skills (and he looks good to me!), but how notable he is. Can you offer any evidence on his notability? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment- Google contains more than 30 results on him. I have found his name as a journalist in an official website of Kerala State Government. Please check it out.[19].[20] Most of his writings and cartoons are in Malayalam Language. I couldn't know whether English translations are available or not...? S. Jithesh is also famous as the editor of noted Malayalam Cartoon Monthly Chiricheppu. Readers and artlovers of Kerala know him very well.Nileena joseph 19:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Please check out your first link. It shows that s jithesh works as a special correspondent for Mangalam in New delhi. But this S jithesh as written in the article works in Kerala. The two are different jitesh's.--Ageo020 (Talk • Contribs) 21:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment-I got an article to prove his notability from our press club library Kottayam. Jeevitham Enne Enthu Padippichu?(What the life has taught me?)is a popular philosophical column in Samakalika Malayalam(Famous weekly published by The Indian Express Daily). This column publishes the philosophical views and visions of noted personalities in different walks of life. I have found philosophical views and biography of S. Jithesh in that column.(2004 october 1st issue) I'm uploading a scanned copy of that page.Those who know Malayalam language can read this.[[21]]Nileena joseph 08:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. A well known cartoonist in Kerala. When there was a controversy over Chiricheppu last time, I asked few guys who were on a training in AIMS and they told that he is fairly well known in Kerala Doctor Bruno 22:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - notable cartoonist.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. Bakaman Bakatalk 01:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep-Excellent wellknown cartoonist of Kerala. Ihave seen so many cartoons drawn by Jithesh.Nooranadu mohan 02:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete; a majority of the keep recommendations indicate this is a notable cartoonist, but without any sort of references or reliable sources to back up that assertion per WP:BIO. Similarly, as an author, I don't see any references or reliable sources indicating that his book meets WP:BK. Geocities links do not satisfy WP:RS. --Kinu t/c 04:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I have checked the links.Highly reliable. Chintha is a noted Malayalam online Magazine.Please see:[22] [[23]].Malayalam is an important vernacular Indian language.But News reports from Malayalam newspapers or periodicals are not available in Google search. Jithesh is a writer cum cartoonist in Malayalam Language. I have read his latest poem in Onappathippu 2006 of Veekshanam daily . Joshygeorge 06:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Very Strong Keep- This user is a Kerala Cartoonist. So I can affirm easily that Jithesh is a noted Kerala Cartoonist. His cartoons are used to appear in almost all Malayalam periodicals. In addition to that I have watched his interviews in Malayalam Telivision Channels like Doordarsan, Asianet etc. I have seen 8 or 9 external links provided in the article. All are reliable.His anatomical drawings are of superb quality. It reminds the quality of great masters in art.But only a diamond merchant recognises the supreme quality of diamond. Joshygeorge 08:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong and Speedy Keep Article contains objective and worthy informations about the works of a notable Indian Artist/Cartoonist.Dr.khan 16:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Strong KeepS.Jithesh is a noted cartoonist and is a noted figure in Malyalam Cartoon field. i have seen his interviews and programmes in all leading Malayalam tv channels.His cartoons and interviews appear in all leading malayalam newspapers (like Mathrubhumi,Malayal manorama,etc.) regularlyAdv. P. R. Bijuchandran 08:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong and speedy Keep As per all Kerala wikipedians said this article is about a famous kerala cartoonist. Recently he was a chief guest in DoorDarshan's (thiruvananthapuram)Nisagandhi live programme. I had watched it. I read his cartoons in Mathrubhumi newspaper's Narmabhumi. I have verified the external links and references added to the article back up that assertion per WP:BIO.I'm sure this artist is highly notable .All are reliable links and sources.As per TruthbringerToronto said enlisting in Library of Congress already prooved verifiability part. Devapriya 17:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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  • Keep He a noted cartoonist in Malayalam cartoon field. No google hits does'nt imply that he is not notable or famouse. That is waht we Wikipedians are for:)!! Kjrajesh

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[edit] Kerala-related help sought

Please check [24] and comment. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] S. Jithesh

The article S. Jithesh was speedy deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. Jithesh (recreation of deleted content) and the page was protected. The alleged sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry [25] second deletion nomination (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. Jithesh (2nd nomination)) only raised doubts.

However, User:Devapriya insists that he is famous in Kerala.

She has provided some links to prove her point:

  • [26]: This is a directory, which anybody can join and add/update his/her profile (From the site: "It is FREE without photos and Rs.100 with photos")
  • [27]: Again, anybody can sign up and create a profile here.
  • [28] is a personal page hosted at Tripod, a free web-hosting service
  • [29] is a personal page hosted at Geocities, a free web-hosting service
  • Chintha.com: I'm not sure about this one. But from the website: "Chintha.com depends heavily on the resources of many voluteers. They are contributing their time and energy to create content"

However, I understand that not every notable person has an online presence. So, I wanted to know from Keralites: Is this person is really notable or not?. If yes, I (or some other admin) will unprotect the page and allow creation of article with references.. utcursch | talk 13:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Do not delete He is a noted cartoonist in Malayalam cartoon field. No google hits does'nt imply that he is not notable or famous. That is waht we Wikipedians are for:)!! Kjrajesh --Rajesh Kakkanatt 10:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Group War on Art and Literature

. Hello Utcurschsir , the campaign of some Kerala Wikipedians against S. Jithesh and his popular cartoon Magazine Chiricheppu is already started. U can read it from their talkpages.The magazine is such a sort. It publishes Political satire and social criticism. It achieved lot of enemies...! Actually They are not against S. Jithesh. They know he is notable. Actually they are attacking his Cartoon Magazine. This Campaign has been started before months. Check the talk pages of Tintin, Gluewhale, Ageo. In Kerala wikipedians there are two groups. One group loves art and literature. Others hate! Devapriya 15:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


Since my name has repeatedly been dragged into it, I'll comment on it once more. This will probably be my last post on this topic, and I am no longer going to bother whether it is re-created or not. It has been suggested by the Jithesh supporters that I hold some personal agenda against him, and was indirectly accused of triggering the checkuser. I didn't initiate the checkuser request and have no idea who tipped Dmcdevit. I had not even heard the name of Jithesh before August - if I had, chances are that I would have suggested keeping the article.

I first noticed the creation of this article in early August as documented in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_India/Kerala#S.Jithesh. I wouldn't probably have bothered the addition of yet another vanity article unless he added his name among famous cartoonists and caricaturists. Since I wasn't sure of his notability or that of Chiricheppu, (I typically spend three or four days every month in Kerala and the rest outside), I asked the other Malayali wikipedians whose judgement I value.

According to Raghu, "both the cartoonist and the CHIRICHEPPU seems to be highly non-notable"
Deepu commented that "Chiricheppu fails the notablity test drastically"
Gluewhale said that "the magazine exists and is available in "pettikkadas". But this definitely should not warrant him any merit. The magazine may be popular with the uneducated masses but he is not a renowned cartoonist as he claims. In any case the article is an advertisement."

This was all before the AfD started.

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chiricheppu and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. Jithesh. Five regular Malayali editors (incl myself) commented in the former and each one had the same opinion. On my trips to Kerala, I twice checked whether I could get a copy of the magazine to see what it looks like. The results can be found here and here. I checked for Chiricheppu in the city where I live as well but couldn't find it, while Hasyakairali, another Malayalam comic magazine, is available.

When the Afd started, new users began to appear arguing that both the articles be kept. I won't go into that. My first interaction with Nileena was this. I never got a reply to the yes or no question.

That's about it from my side. As said earlier, this is not worth wasting any more of my time. I wrote this long post just to make clear that I have no "hidden agenda" or personal dislike for him, and that whatever I did was always in good faith. Tintin (talk) 14:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] A doubt...?

Please see this ![30] U will say that all the persons listed here are notable ....except one .... ? I know it very well...! But references are references..! An editor must not be biased...!We all know P. K. Manthri is highly notable. Can u show any sort of online news report or online reference about P. K. Manthri to prove his notability...? Nileena joseph 16:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I used to contribute on Arts and literature only

All my contributions are on art and literature related subjects. I strongly believe that I have enough knowledge in these subjects.I think no other Kerala wikipedian has created this much article on art and literature. I have done more than 500 hundred edits in art related subjects.I have no doubt on the notability of S. Jithesh. Tintin1107 is an expert in sports related subjects. I agree that. I feel great respect towards him because his knowledge in sports related subject is so vast. That's why I honoured him a barnstar. But I'm sorry to say he is very poor in art related or literature related subjects. In a talk with user Ageo he says that he dont know [Prakash Shetty]. [[31]]. Dear Mr. Tintin, those who is ignorant about Prakash Shetty dont have a right to participate in a discussion on Cartoon. I think I have no right to participate in a talk on cricket. I'm ignorant about cricket. I doubt whether Ageo is a keralite? He hasn't heard about Yesudasan or Gireesh Puthenchery! A real wonder!!!! What kind of Malayali...? I dont know why u are personally against S. Jithesh. Anyway you have personal agenda against him. That I'm sure. I 'm sure Cartoon lovers of Kerala may not have any doubt on his notability. U too know him very well. But u hate him or his magazine..? All ur imputations against me are baseless.. But I promoted many journalists and artist to visit and edit wikipedia inorder to improve it. Most of them hesitated, but a few asked me about the tachniques of editing. I helped them. For eg. Mr. Joshy George. U can watch him everyday in Jeevan.t.v.'s Harithakeralam pgm and in Asianet Cable Vision's Sesham Visesham. He has a regular column in Rashtadeepika Cenema . We are genuine persons. We are ready to exhibit the scanned copy of election commissioners identity card...? Can u...?If u r genuine I,'m ready to clear all ur doubts. Anyway watch the news paper cuttings. On the time when the debates were going on Mathrubhumi daily published his comment on an art related topic. I'm in search of those news cuttings. Now see this...? [32],[33] These are news cuttings from Desabhimani daily and Indian express daily. But I still believe that I'm playing violin in front of a deaf and blind man. But I cant sit mum without saying a word against injustice and egoclash. Nileena joseph 06:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Nileena. From the images of newspaper cutting you have uploaded, it looks like S Jitesh is notable enough. Why everything happened the way it happened was because of the way things related to the article S Jitesh unfolded. When it was initially created it looked like sort of pushing the subject of the article. (Jitesh's name was added to list of famous Keralite and Nairs , A user named Cartoonist Jitesh editing the article etc). All this made it look like some vanity article. This happens many times in wikipedia and since Tintin was maintining the India related deletion sorting for long, he know that well. So when he saw this article he posted the message in Kerala notice board. That time I had never heard of Jitesh, so google search was the only way of finding it out. All the sources that I had got was not credible. so I also suggested that it be deleted. Then after it was deleted all of a sudden new users coming and editing these articles would make anybody suspicious that these are socks.
One more thing is that wikipedia as it says is not a democracy. So if you can provide adequete proof of the notability of the person, you don't need other peoples to support you. The person who closes the AFD does not look at how many ayes and nays are there but the arguements and the references. So I would say that we leave aside all this past tensions and start editing to make the articles related to Kerala better.

thanks --Raghu 18:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Only to those who have good reading habits in Malayalam.

[34] Those who know Malayalam may read the above said article. As we all know 'Malayalam' Weekly is so popular. Have u ever read the article 'Jeevitham Enne Enthu Padippichu'. That noted column is compiled by former deputy chief secretary- T. N. Jayachandran.I.A.S. Every week Malayalam weekly publishes the visions of notable persons from different walks of life. It is a hit column. Only notable persons are allowed to write in that particular column.The above link is the scanned copy of that column. In kerala wikipedia somebody thinks that a person who had played in just one oneday cricket is highly notable. But an artist who had drawn more than 10000 bookcovers and cartoons are non notable. I dont understand such things. They will comment Kottakkal Sivaraman is non notable and Ayyappa Baiju is highly notable. Amitabh Batchan is notable but Harivamsarai Batchan (the great poet in Marathi)is non notable. Usually encyclopedias are edited by experts in the concerned subjects.Unfortunately in wikipedia it is by teenage computer professionals. They know about icecreams, munch, cricket and commercial films . May I ask a Question...? How a person can judge cartoons and caricatures if he is ignorant about Prakash Shetty, Ajith Ninan, Ravi Sankar or E.P.Unni...? Just read...read...read.... Reading contemperory Literary periodicals is the only medicine to solve ignorance in post modern literature and art. Also have a watch....! Doordarsan's Nisagandhi, Asianet's On Record, Jeevan T.V's Njan....etc! I don't think thatChintha.comis publishing the bio of non notable persons. It's a site created by eminent journalists. * [35]: This is a directory, which publishes the biography of artists . It willnot publish the biography of any layman...! If anyone is doubtful please try...!My humple request is that experts from various fields must come and edit wikipedia. Or otherwise this site willnot improve. Stupidity and ego clash will kill wikipedia. I think this site is not for just cricket related articles...! There are hundreds of art lovers....! Devapriya 14:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Google hits must not be taken as a yardstick in Asian related AfD's

Google hits must not be taken as a sole yardstick in Asian related AfD's. Newspapers of Vernacular Languages may have millions of readership. For example, in India every state has its own language. There are more than 20 widely speaking native languages in India. But the news reports from the newspapers of such languages are not available in google search.Take the case of Malayala Manorama Newspaper. Currently this Malayalam language newspaper has a readership of over 9 million, with a circulation base of over 1.4 million copies according to Audit Beureu of Circulations. Manorama is one of the India's largest selling and most widely read news paper. There are more than 50 such newspapers in India. News reports from such dailies are not available in google eventhough it have millions of readership. But news reports from English dailies with 1000 or 2000 copies are available in google search. It is really misleading...Isn't it...? In this context of notability tests based on google hits may be a worthless, foolish effort. In such circumstances we must consider the words of native wikipedians with more importance. May I know ur valuable opinion ……? Nileena joseph (Talk|Contribs) 05:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD's related to Kerala

There are two deletions going on in the AFD which are Kerala related. Anyone interested can vote here.--Agεθ020 (ΔT • ФC) 20:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mannaraprayil Cor-Episcopa

Mannaraprayil Cor-Episcopa (edit|talk|history|links|logs)

This person does not pass WP:BIO at all AW 08:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 19:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Article needs sources, not deletion --Agεθ020 (ΔT • ФC) 19:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete They need one or the other. •Elomis• 03:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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  • Delete. Treat this as a keep if any reliable sources are added. -Amarkov blahedits 02:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I added two sources, there wasn't much to find online. Just a few things related to his birth/bio and his current church position. Not much to chose from and/or read :-/ Missvain 04:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. No indication of notability, no reliable sources. Just a priest with a successful ecclesiastical career, apparently, but that would not be notable even if it were well sourced. Sandstein 07:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. You can give this article as much sources as you want, but the person in question is not notable. Sr13 09:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete No notability - not that successful career, at least that can be verified. SkierRMH,11:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - fails WP:BIO claims one book published on the subject(no ISBN number mentioned), but not by an independant source. has WP:NPOV problems though fixable, WP:V lacks referencing that could address some of these issues. Subject lacks notiability. Gnangarra 15:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak delete. I'm not familiar with the polity of this church, but they appear to be an episcopal body. As such one of their bishops would probably be notable, but this priest misses. -- Bpmullins | Talk 21:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moorkanade

Moorkanade (discussion|history|protect|delete|undelete|logs|links)

Stub about a place in the city of Trichur; the article only states a family lives there that appears to have no claim to notability. --Nehwyn 17:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment - the article was just added. Shouldn't it be given a chance to grow? What it is missing is some verifiable sources to help establish the information, and a stub tag. -- Whpq 17:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Following the WP:LOCAL guideline, article such as this should get their independent page when their mention in the mother page becomes too large. This is not the case, as Moorkanade does not appear to be mentioned in Thrissur at all. Ordinarily, the info in this article could be merged into the mother article, but in this case, there is nothing to merge, as the article merely states a particular family (with no claim to notability given and no GHits) lives in that place. --Nehwyn 18:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Can I know whether you have proposed this AFD thinking that Morrkanade is a place in Thrissur City or a place in Thrissur District. Doctor Bruno 02:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, W.marsh 13:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into the mother article per nominators remark above. MartinDK 14:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. IMO, all places that really exists should have an individual article. --Terence Ong (C | R) 14:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
The fact that something exists does not confer automatical notability (WP:NOT an indiscriminate list of all information) and do not automatically deserve their own article (WP:LOCAL). --Nehwyn 20:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
But what about the articles about American places with less than 1000 population. Should they all be deleted Doctor Bruno 12:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Please, keep to the article in question. We're looking for a reason why this particular group of building should evade WP:LOCAL. --Nehwyn 16:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
OK. How many people should live in a village to make it notable to appear in Wikipedia Doctor Bruno 20:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Please, stick to the article in question. This is not a village, and we're not here to discuss villages in general. We are discussing this particular place within a city. --Nehwyn 20:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Particular place within a city, which has more population than 1000s of places in America which have individual articles. The definition of "city" and "village" differs from America and India. Places in India have more people than towns of America. How are you very certain that this is a place within a city and not a village. Can you prove that. Have you been to that place. If you can't prove, then it is a bad faith comment Doctor Bruno 02:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Articles are evaluated based on their content. The article itself states this is a place within a city, not a separate community (such as a town or village), and therefore we treat is as such. As for your remarks about nationality, the current nomination is not based upon them, but simply states that no claim to notability is made in the article. Please, keep to discussing that. --Nehwyn 06:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the claim to notability with Albion, Illinois and Aledo, Illinois. They are called as cities. Can anyone confirm whether this is a place in Thrissur District or Thrissur Town Doctor Bruno 16:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
If you think those articles are not notable, feel free to propose them for deletion. But on this page, please keep to the article in question. --Nehwyn 16:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Please, express your opinion explicitly as to why WP:LOCAL should not apply. This is a debate, not a vote! --Nehwyn 16:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Why should this article be kept, if the present article in nominated for deletion. The village I work has a population of 20,000, which is almost 7 times as this place, but unfortunately that will not be mentioned in Google and hence is not notable where as a village with just 3000 people is notable if that is in America Doctor Bruno 20:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Please, keep to discussing the article in question. We're not talking about villages here, and nationality is not the issue. Lack of claim to notability is. --Nehwyn 06:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Albion, Illinois and Aledo, Illinois are cities. They are county seats and pass WP:V. utcursch | talk 12:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
This also passes WP:V Doctor Bruno 16:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
True. The motivation for the deletion nomination is indeed not "unverified", but rather "makes no claim to notability". --Nehwyn 16:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


  • Strong Delete has no potential to be anything more than a stub. I grew up in a town of 2500 people which has an article at Longford, Tasmania and only does because it has a tourism industry, is historically important to the state it is in and is a major regional center for it's area. It isn't forced to rely on the fact it has a church and a family in it to try and assert notability. •Elomis• 03:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. No assertion of notability. utcursch | talk 12:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm a Keralite. I'm residing in Kerala. Moorkanade situates in Kerala. The place is notable.

If some persons from England, Africa or Mumbai or Banglore says that this place is non notable, how can I agree with such foolishness since I'm a native wikipedian. If this place were in America or England, everyone will say that this place is highly notable.(Even smallplaces in England with a population of 1000 are included in this encyclopedia).But News report from Malayalam Newspapers are not available in google. That's why no google hits..!I'm ready to scan and upload hundreds of news report in Malayalam about this place. Since I'm a Malayalam Language journalists it's not a big task to me. But howmany of u know Malayalam...? I think it's a great challenge to create Kerala related or Malayalam Language related articles. Google hits are not available even to notable places. My humble request in this context is that Google hits must not be taken as a yardstick in Asian related AfD's. Newspapers of Vernacular Languages may have millions of readership. For example, in India every state has its own language. There are more than 20 widely speaking native languages in India. But the news reports from the newspapers of such languages are not available in google search.Take the case of Malayala Manorama Newspaper. Currently this Malayalam language newspaper has a readership of over 9 million, with a circulation base of over 1.4 million copies according to Audit Beureu of Circulations. Manorama is one of the India's largest selling and most widely read news paper. There are more than 50 such newspapers in India. News reports from such dailies are not available in google eventhough it have millions of readership. But news reports from English dailies with 1000 or 2000 copies are available in google search and wikipedians consider it as big big google hits..! Articles from English speaking places will easily pass verifiability test and notability test because of this reason. Is it really misleading..? In this context of notability tests based on google hits may be a worthless, foolish effort. In such circumstances we must consider the words of native wikipedians with more importance in Asian related AFd's. Nileena joseph (Talk|Contribs) 11:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete as the article makes no claim of nobility, regardless if that claim is substantiated (which would be another issue). Claims of nobility would include, given stricly as hypothetical examples here, home to one of the top 10 riches people in India, church as been visited by the last 4 holy leaders, longest continually inhabited settlement etc. There are all sorts of cliams that could be made, but none are. In regards to the argument that if some other city has an article, ie Aledo, Illinois, so should this one, please see the essay, Wikipedia:Inclusion is not an indicator of notability which may provide further insight into my (and likely others') dismissal of such an argument.--Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr.) 02:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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