Talk:Mongol military tactics and organization
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What is the copyright violation? I did not quote the cited article -- it is common knowledge that the army structuring of the Mongol forces were in mandibles of 10; to quote this is not copyright violation! 68.50.125.89 (This was put on the temp page, so I put it here; Algebraist 15:04, 19 May 2005 (UTC))
Hi Algebraist -- I dispute this was a copyright violation -- I know how serious they are, and no one with any decency steals another's scholarship. But when you study the two articles, there is obviously no copyright violation! I worked very hard on my article, and while it agrees in principle with some of the conclusions of the cited copyrighted article, it is not a violation! Most of the similarity centers on the structure of the forces -- and there are not many ways to say that they structured in mandibles of ten, et al! Anyway, I wanted to protest the removal of my legitimate article for a violation that was not one... John
Hi Al! I have created an account, and returned. I hope to convince you there was NO copyright violation in this article. The article you cited as violated was written originally by me -- check the ip address! I worked hard on a summary of Mongol military organization and basic tactics, and the article was genuine, not stolen or plagerized, and I would be grateful if you restored it... Johnny1951 @ j1994r89@hotmail.com
- The 'violated' article has the explicit copyright notise: This article was derived fully or in part from the article Mongol invasion of Europe on Wikipedia - the free encyclopedia. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. I don't see how copying this article could be a copyvio. →Iñgōlemo← talk 17:57, 2005 May 24 (UTC)
[edit] NO copyright violation
This article is obviously not a copyright violation, as →Iñgōlemo← points out. It may need some sourcing, and I will begin that in the next few days. I intend to remove the tag, unless someone has problems with the article, other than the sourcing issues, once I rectify that problem.old windy bear 23:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] blacksmith
blacksmith is nothing to be ashamed of in Mongol society. Iron was considered a sacred substance among the Turks and Mongols. It was associated with heaven. That's why the word iron appears in many names. It was a good luck word.
[1] Turko-Mongol peoples generally revered the blacksmith and two of their greatest heroes Temujin (Genghis Khan) and Timur both had names derived from the word for "blacksmith." The Ghuz Turks in particular where considered practically a blacksmithing people en masse at one time. Wandalstouring 19:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] bows used
On in general. The Mongols used composite reflex bows on horseback and longbows. Wandalstouring 20:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Wandalstouring Greetings my friend! You are absolutely right on all points. They did have two bows, and a variety of different arrows to go with them. Also, yes, a blacksmith was nothing to be ashamed of = but the point was that he was not a noblemen or Khan either, yet his son rose to command sons of Khans, and future Khans - he commanded Mongke Khan in the european campaign, and had 4 princes of the blood, including the future Great Khan, and the future Khan of the Kipchak Horde! It was not meant to deinerate blacksmiths, simply to point out that the Mongols promoted pretty much strictly on merit. And Subutai sure merited promotion! On the bows, do you want me to incorporate that into the article, or would you like to? Thanks, old windy bear 18:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
