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Contents 1 Clarifications 2 Spellings 3 Characters 4 Episode air date 5 Character pages infobox 6 An idea for a new article 7 Template

[edit] Clarifications

1. I am a huge fan of the show and I honestly don't know what you mean by the "carefully crafted choreography" being a significant divergence from other magical girl shows. Do you mean fanservice? Panty shots? Or are you talking about the fight scenes being more detailed and/or intense? Or are you just trying to praise the animators? Enlighten me so we can discuss.

2. Show, series? Do we need to stick to one of those?

Please respond, thanks, --Zaorish 03:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed -- Nanoha is absolutely amazing and I love it and all that, but this section is too heavily opinionated and, dare I say, fanboyish. What actually confuses me more, though, is the part about it being "significantly more emotionally intense than other magical girl series". Says who? What does this even mean? I'd like to remove it, but I'll hold back. --Jxh2154 06:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply: Well it is more serious and deals with some issues more than some Magical Girl series. Although to be honest, I haven't seen many other Magical Series, so I can't say so myself. But compared to the ones I watched before (Mewmew power, Sailor moon, Card Captor), it is much more serious on dealing with such emotional issues like social alienation or child abuse (season 1). Season 2 deals with a little different issue, the knights never having a nice master before nor "friends" other than each other until they met you know who. I guess this is what the person who wrote "more emotionally intense" meant.

Reply: Comparing this series to other magical girl series, it becomes obvious that the target audience is teenage or so males. The "careful coreography" is would be quick fanservice such as Alf's clothes, the transformation sequences, the suttle but noticable shots towords westernly objectionable body parts, and the list continues if you just keep your eyes open. A clear comparison can be made with Sailor Moon (targeted primarily at girls). You won't find so much as a single panty shot as hard as you try, and the transformation sequences are less than inspiring. Fate wears half a skirt and technically she's 10. Don't forget the sufficient times that Nanoha has been seen in her underwear. Something you wouldn't normally find in other magical girl series.

Nitpick: If you never saw a pantyshot in SM, you must either not have watched enough or been watching the American version, since there was at least a brief one in Sailor Mars' debut episode. I understand the transformation sequences were altered to be less revealing as well in the US version. Kazuaki Shimazaki 05:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

That aside, by chereography I think they meant the fight chereography. Note for one the low amount of stock attack footage. The low episode count may help, but attacks like Divine Buster (used more than once, fired from "stationary" poses, and with a long charge time) and Photon Lancer (a quick-reaction magic, true, but stock footage never cared what your correct position is supposed to be when firing it) are tempting targets for stock footage - yet they didn't. Kazuaki Shimazaki 05:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Generally, you can pinpoint a common "magical girl" series by how often they reuse the transformation animation. I think Cyberdojo had a drinking game where a rule was "drink once for a magical girl transformation sequence... twice if it's Sailor Moon." Magus Melchior 11:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spellings

The characters' section lists Yūno, but elsewhere in the article, Yuno and Yuuno are also used, which should be used for consistancy purposes? -- Remy Suen

Hmmm... I was wondering if there was any official romanization of his name (anyone seen a romanization of his name on any Japanese material?). A Japanese Nanoha wiki I checked mentioned that his name may be from Mazda's Eunos cars, and thus it would actually be "Euno". I don't see it being widely used, though. And I say "Scrya" on his family name, from "scry". --EmperorBrandon 03:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I also feel that Scrya is a more appropriate romanization. The "official-ness" of this spelling of his first name will definitely be up for debate, but the website for the series does actually use "yuno.html" if you look at the URL. [1] -- Remy Suen 10:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, should all instances of Kyouya be altered to Kyōya (and others like it)? I noticed that Fate/stay night does actually keep all instances of the name marked with the pronounciation markings, so I was wondering. -- Remy Suen 10:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Characters

It seems that there is a page for Alicia Testarossa, but it is not even linked to from this page. Should the characters section be expanded to include more characters even though it may introduce heavy spoilers? I notice that that section is currently pretty conservative about what it says. -- Remy Suen 02:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think Alicia should have a page, since she isn't considerably notable (doubtful any of the individual characters from Nanoha need an article, with the possible exception of Fate and Nanoha herself) --EmperorBrandon 03:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, she can either be integrated into the characters section with a brief description before the spoiler tags, or we can just spoiler tag the entire characters section and elaborate on each character more. I am leaning towards the latter although I'm sure some other editors may feel otherwise since the article's descriptions are quite conservative, as I mentioned before. -- Remy Suen 12:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

If anyone wants to reorganize the characters' section some more, please go ahead. Perhaps Yūno and Arf shouldn't be in the "household" section, so... --Remy Suen 13:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode air date

In the infobox, it is said that the show aired from October 1st to December 25th. However, if you look at the calendar, the final date on the Friday is December 24th. So does anyone know if the show actually started airing on the 2nd, or whether the last episode was delayed one day to be shown on December 25th? --Remy Suen 21:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The way Japanese television air times work allows for "Super-late nights", which means show can be listed as starting at, for example, 25:30 on a Friday. The show will begin at 1:30am on the Saturday, but who wakes up at 1:30am? If you were going to stay up for it, you'd stay up super-late on Friday night. Nanoha aired at such super-late times, so the final ep super-late on the 24th played early morning on the 25th, making both sources correct. --Omnisentry 00:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character pages infobox

Although we all owe alot of thanks to Sana Jisushi for starting this up, the character pages are in dire need of an infobox.
The current character pages include a "profile" section, which contains: (taken from Takamachi Nanoha)

(image) Age: 9 in Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha and A's, appears to be older in Triangle Heart, 15 at the end of A's
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Affiliation: Time-Space Administration Bureau
Home World: Earth
Device: Raising Heart/Raising Heart Excelion
Familiar: None, though Yūno has been mistaken for such in his ferret form and indeed serves the same function
Magical Colour: Magenta
Barrier Jacket Design: A blue and white stylized school uniform with a metal waist guard

I have searched in wikipedia for servral hours, and I haven't found a clue to how to make one, so I'm very sorry that I couldn't contribute.
Character infoboxs that we could use as an example can be found everywhere, like Template:Bleach_character_info. Kurigiri 18:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was a little hesitant myself about building an infobox template, as there were, what, four mages with Devices? I was also concerned that it would take away from article length, but considering Nanoha's and Fate's articles, that shouldn't be a concern. Righto, I'll get cracking on one. Magus Melchior 07:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

There are... If you include A's, then about 7.

Oh, and do you think it should include the 'Barrier Jacket Design'? It is pretty useless, since we could just put up a screenshot. Anyway, thanks, Magus Melchior. Kurigiri 13:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the design stuff probably belongs under the Barrier Jacket entry in their "Powers" sections (might as well, since not everyone's viewing images on wikipedia). Magus Melchior 16:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much for starting up the infobox. I've never known how to make one myself, either! My only problem is that the current infobox removes a lot of Triangle Heart information. Should we have one big Torananoha box or two seperate? I'm voting for the latter, but won't that make the pages for characters like Nanoha, Miyuki and Chrono a bit stretched? --Sana Jisushi 01:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

What sort of info are you looking for? From what I saw, there was only the age (but then again, I stuck with Nanoha characters). We can fix up a simple infobox in the same style. Magus Melchior 07:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Age, weapon, affiliation, origin, whether the character has an ending in the game. Maybe first appearance and whether the character is currently alive, too. ...And I definitely just made up the word "Torananoha" yesterday. Not sure if you'd write it とらなのは or とらなのハ, though. Sana Jisushi 02:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I think we can drop whether the character is still alive, and the game ending thing. But a first appearence is a good idea, if you ask me. Kurigiri 10:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

We're only looking for notable stats, rather than every last detail, so I agree with Kurigiri on the game ending and survivor-to-end details. Additionally, we don't have to (and we shouldn't, IMO) expand the Nanoha template to include Toraha, because Nanoha is significantly different from Toraha as a spinoff. What I'm suggesting above is a new Toraha character infobox template that we can insert into the "Toraha" sections of the Nanoha characters, and in the main sections of those characters who are more prominent in Toraha.

Hah. I didn't even follow my own suggestion. Magus Melchior 20:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I'm gonna need to make the image and character name variables in both templates optional, although I don't know how similar the character designs are between the two series. 24.4.105.240 21:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

D'oh. Wikipedia forgot who I was (logged out). Magus Melchior 21:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:NanohaTakamachi-TriangleHeart.JPG
This should explain it all. Sana Jisushi 03:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I should've looked at ANN and compared the designer and animation studios, but I was lazy. (BTW, you shouldn't directly embed images in talk pages; link 'em the way one would link categories.) Not a big deal, though; just a bit more template hacking. Magus Melchior 05:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, after a bit of study of the Japanese Toraha article (and much head-on-keyboard-type error smashing), I've made an infobox and updated Nanoha Takamachi's article. Sana, can you tell me if I'm missing anything as far as entries in the box? Magus Melchior 07:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, about the infobox.. what should we about Suzuka Tsukimura? adding an infobox will shorten the article, but I don't think we should keep like this.

I think Suzuka's article is in a similar situation as Alicia Testarossa's, just that Suzuka happens to have more screentime, and hence, more content. Personally, I think they're short enough to warrant merging into the main Nanoha articles. Magus Melchior 12:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, we should keep them in the main article. They're short as it is.. Kurigiri 13:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I've been wondering about keeping Suzuka and Alicia myself. Still, if you recall, I made Alicia to avoid spoilers on the main page. Maybe we should make a "List of minor characters" page? Sana Jisushi 00:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

A "List of characters" page should suffice, with major characters linked like Main article: Wikipe-tan and a brief a description as possible on the list article.

I've made a sort of a list, but I didn't include Triangle Hearts since I didn't know how (never watched the ova).. will it do? Kurigiri 18:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a good start to such a list, Kurigiri. Examining some of the differences between Toraha and Nanoha, I think it's best to kinda consider Nanoha as an alternate universe spinoff (given that it's spun off of an expansion game to Toraha 3 iirc) rather than heavily connected with Toraha, although we can note the different roles played in each series in the character articles themselves. That, and there seems to be a general lack of desire in ivory, et al. to reconcile the two series. Thoughts? Magus Melchior 20:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, especially when you think of them as different series (which they are, they just share a few characters). Kurigiri 21:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

done. Kurigiri 17:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An idea for a new article

I've been thinking about writing a "Magic in Nanoha" article for some time now...
It could include the abilities (already written in character pages), about Mid-type and Velka-type (or any other type that will be revealed in StrikerS), the Devices, the Lost Logia (the Jewel Seeds and the such), about the Book of Darkness, and of familiars. Kind of like Magic in Negima.
What do you think? Kurigiri 22:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they've fleshed out the magic systems nearly as well as other series that use "magic", so I haven't given this much thought (you'll notice that the Belka and Mid-Childa systems, aside from the language spoken by the devices and possibly the cartridges being standard in the Armed Devices, are pretty similar). Nanohawiki makes some attempt at trying to organize the spells according to the data they've gathered from the series and accompanying merchandise, but even then it's a little hard to make sense of the design of the magic systems. Magus Melchior 15:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it sounds good to me. Sana Jisushi 03:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

As the Japanese say, Zengen tekkai (前言撤回, Zengen tekkai^? "I take that back"). After changing the "Weaponry" section into a full-blown glossary of Nanohaverse jargon, I think a separate article, like, oh, Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha glossary of terms would be a good thing. That way, we can put a lot of magic-related stuff into one spot for both (well, eventually three) series, and add the stuff that's not necessarily magic (TSAB's command structure, for example) that's found in NanohaWiki. I'd underestimated the sheer amount of information that those guys drew out of the series and merchandise. Magus Melchior 15:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ummm... If there aren't any objections, I'm-a gonna start a glossary article a la Neon Genesis Evangelion glossary. We can put all Nanoha magic-related and TSAB-related jargon in here. Magus Melchior 10:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No objections here. Though we might need to create a "Nanoha" template, now that we have servral articles on the series. Kurigiri 12:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Woot. Well, the article's up. Magus Melchior 14:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

So far, we have... Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's, Nanoha Takamachi, Fate Testarossa, Arf (Nanoha), Precia Testarossa, Vita (Nanoha), Signum (Nanoha), Hayate Yagami, Yūno Scrya, Chrono Haraoun, Characters in Nanoha and now Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha terminology. We could also list Triangle Hearts as a spinoff, and we will eventually have a StrikerS article too.

Sorry to interrupt, but I was wondering why Noel K. Ehrlichkeit has been given the same treatment as the Suzuka and Alicia articles. Unlike those, Noel's article was created based on her high importance in Toraha3. She deserves an article as much as Yuuno or Vita, I'd say. Sana Jisushi 23:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

That's true, but we're primarily going after a Nanoha context. Arguably, Noel really doesn't play that much of a role in the Nanoha series. That said, I think Kurigiri was just naming articles off the top of his (her?) head. Magus Melchior 23:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I was doing. I guess that that if a template (or article series box, as Magus mentioned)is made, we could include Toraha in it, since they are related. Although it'll be.. wrong. They are different series, and should be treated that way.

If, by "same treatment", you were talking about the Character list, then it's because her article is based on Toraha. The caharacter list is about the Nanoha series, and that was all she did in Nanoha.

Now, may I ask why is this discussing going in the middle of my earlier post? Kurigiri 19:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

We need a template. Should we ripoff Template:Negima, since it perfectly fits, or is there anyone here that knows how to make templates? :D Kurigiri 15:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

What you're looking for is a series box template. I don't know that we have enough articles in the category itself to warrant having one, as we can probably access them all in the category page rather than putting a box on every Nanoha article. Maybe we could wait until StrikerS is released? Magus Melchior 17:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)