User talk:Kober/Archive1

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contents 1 Sososgan 1.1 Georgia's title 1.2 Bagrationis 2 Mongol invasions of Georgia 3 Image 4 DYK! 5 Your footnote 6 Request 7 Thank you 8 Isani Metro Image 9 Marzpans, Ostikans and Meliks 10 Portal:Georgia 11 Neutrality policy at Estonia/Georgia/Abkhazia pages! 12 Question 13 Machakheli 14 Here's an interesting article you might want to check out 15 About the Abkhazia article 16 WikiProject Azeri 17 Machakhel(i)

[edit] Sososgan

[edit] Georgia's title

Gaumarjos Kober,
Ras pikrob Portal is shedegebze unda davtovot Georgia Dab tu unda Georgia link sakartvelos statiaze gavushvat? me mgoni xmis micemis dros 70 momxmarebelma dagvichira mxari 68 is cinaamgdeg. momcere roca dros gamonaxav.
Sauketeso Survilbit
Soso
P.S. Sagol, mongolebis shemosevebze statia marta zaan magari iko. Egre gaagrzele, aba shen ici.

[edit] Bagrationis

Kober, madlobt rom bagrationebze apireb daceras. Bodishi rom Talk Page suratebit gagivse magram am Pasquale is tvis mindoda pasuxis gameca. Bodishi magram eg tipi sufta "siria". Ra magisi gasarchevia sakartvelos teriotoriuli mdebareoba, rodesac BBC da msoflio atlasis web gverdi evropashi atavsebs sakartvelos da mtel kavkasias da kidev evropa ziritadad kuluruli terminia da ara teritoriuli, radgan msoflio atlasis web gverdi turkets ar atavsebs evropashi miuxedavad imisa rom turketi male sheva Eu shi. mokled ara ushavs ikos Eurasia c kai terminia, rogorc shen tkvi. Bagrationebs rac sheexeba me didi veraferi statia mak dacerili. Ubralod ro vnaxe rom bagrationebs da bagratid ebs ert statiashi atavsebdnen ragaca unda damecera. ziritadad kartuli statia gadmovtargmne da me rac vicodi is mivamate. exla cignebze da sxva ckaroebze xeli am mimicvdeba radgan amjamad amerikashi var da sakartveloshi chamoval male. ritic shemezleba momcere da dagexmarebi. eg kargi idea gak, rom "info-box" ic chavsvat statiashi. chemi emailia Soso@mail.ru da wikipedia sac vamocmeb xolme. romelzec ginda imaze momcere.
droebit
Sosomk 01:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
P.S. madlobt rom (~ ~ ~ ~) mascavle.

[edit] Mongol invasions of Georgia

Your new article was a nice read. We need more articles like this. Keep up the good work, Ghirla ^-трёп- 06:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot for your comment and for nominating the article at DYK. Kober 10:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Hey Kober. To delete an image, just try adding {{delete}}, or {{db|(add reason here)}}. Cheers. BTW, it's time to archive your talk page. —Khoikhoi 17:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your tips, Khoi. Cheers, Kober 17:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Here you go Givi, thanks for the tips. Noxchi Borz 22:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to you too, Luis. Your userpage looks amazing :). Kober 16:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK!

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Mongol invasions of Georgia, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 22:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

whoever put that box on your user talk can fix the formatting of this... that box is messing things up++Lar: t/c 22:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I use similar code. It should be better now. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys, thanks a lot everybody. Kober 04:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kober. rogora xar? dges vnaxe sheni statia DYK-ze momxvdara. GILOCAV!:) martla magari ramea. ase albat mkitxvelebi sakartveloze upro mets gaigeben. D.Papuashvili 17:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

gmadlob David, tu dro mekneba kidev shevecdebi rame shevitano saintereso. Kober 17:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I have reverted to include the flag. If he gives any more problems, it will be 4 reverts and he can be blocked. Danny 15:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Danny. Respect! Kober 15:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your footnote

With all due respect, Kober, your footnote in the Georgia article to the effect that "a part (70.65%, according to World Gazetteer) of its territory lying in Europe and part (29.35%) in Asia" is simply wrong. The article itself states, referring to the country's territory, that "most of which is located in the South Caucasus, while a portion of the territory lies in the North Caucasus". Perhaps you got your two figures switched around. I assure you I am not personally invested in this matter, one way or the other. I just wanted to point out your apparent error. Pasquale 22:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Pasquale, my information comes from the wiki article on Transcontinental nation. We need, however, to check these figures at Gazetteer website. I personally don't care much about exactly what portion of the country is located in Europe, because I find all these geographic definitions very vague. Thanks, Kober 05:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kober, that's very interesting. Thank you for letting me know. If you refer to that Wikipedia article again, you will see that it holds a rather unusual notion of where the Europe-Asia boundary lies. After saying that "Numerous sources (e.g. the National Geographic Society) state that the Europe-Asia boundary follows ... the watershed of the Caucasus Mountains", it goes on to say that "This article instead discusses the following ... path: ... on the Kura River (in Azerbaijan and Georgia), through the Surami passage, and on the Qvirila river in the Kolkhida lowland to the coastal city of Poti." While this is certainly of interest, it is not at all the most widely-held view, in fact, as far as I can tell, it is not held by any other Wikipedia article. Again, personally, I have no axe to grind, no personal stake, and no great interest in where this hypothetical "Europe-Asia boundary" lies. I realize it is an entirely arbitrary notion, yet it is one that has been held since great antiquity. The fact remains, however, that your footnote presents a minority-held view as fact and cites a statistical figure based on this minority-held view (both in terms of the Wikipedia and of the wider community). The whole issue is purely technical, since I agree that cultural and political considerations are of greater interest than those based strictly on physical geography. Nonetheless, we still need to somehow be able to describe the location of a place on the world map, don't we? :-)
Pasquale 21:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Totally agree with you. I'll simply remove the percentages though I think footnote is still needed. If you have any idea of how to improve this page don't hesitate to let me know. What I want to do is try to make this article featured and need more people to be involved. Thanks, Kober 04:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Pasquale,
I know that we have stopped discussing this issue, but I just have to comment on yout post on Kober's wall. You tried to prove that Kober's notes that 70% of Georgia being in Europe were incorrect. Well, if you simply go to the world atlas web site, the web places Georgia and whole Caucasus region in Europe. Image:Eunewneb.gif Image:Asnewzzz.gif


The web site does not place Georgia is Asia at all. In, fact it does place Turkey in Asia, even though Turkey is about to become a part of European Union.

In addition, you cited National Geographic Society, which is basically an US based organization. It would be nice to consult some European points of view about the continent. The profile of Georgia on the BBC web site tells us that Georgia is fully part of Europe. So, please let us just end the argumet, because I am willing to compromise and I think that Eurasia is also a correct geographic term to use in the article, when it really should be Europe. Sosomk 00:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Fine, Soso. Thank you for pasting those two maps, by the way. I find them both fascinating. The second one puts European Russia in Asia, and both put Cyprus in Europe and the Sinai Peninsula in Africa. Oh, well! Obviously, this is all a matter of opinion, not of science. (And, Tombseye, what you are saying is obvious, but we were talking about continents here, not of "a region, country, or people".) Pasquale 19:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hi again. I noticed that the Georgian name is lacking at the Ardahan article. Would you be able to add it? Thanks. —Khoikhoi 04:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, done it. Regards, Kober 05:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! —Khoikhoi 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

		The Original Barnstar
		Hi Kober, I just though I'd give you a barnstar for your hard work to resolve disputes. Nakhvamdis! —Khoikhoi 05:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure, no problem! Ciao. —Khoikhoi 06:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Isani Metro Image

Thanks a lot for that, hope you can get more. Here is a request - upload them please to commons. --Kuban Cossack 20:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Any chance we'll see some more of these? I'd love to see some more images on Tbilisi-related articles. Rebecca 04:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome. I’ve uploaded the image at [1]. As for other stations, virtually all of them are now under reconstruction and covered with scaffolding, so they don’t look very attractive at this point.

Rebecca, thanks a lot for taking interest in Georgia. I’ll definitely work more on Tbilisi as time permits. Regards, Kober 06:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marzpans, Ostikans and Meliks

Kober, I was wondering if you have any English material regarding these Sassanian and Abbasid/Umayyad appointed governor titles in regards to Armenia and Georgia.--Eupator 14:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Georgia

Your proposal to create a Portal:Georgia has been accepted. To create the portal, please see Wikipedia:Portal/Instructions.--cj | talk 08:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your tips--Kober 08:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality policy at Estonia/Georgia/Abkhazia pages!

Stop your crying about me editing the Estonia/Georgia/Abkhazia pages! Until you guys are more neutral and report all the facts neutrally and objectively I will be editing these pages! Only when you will add following:

1) Abkhazia's page:

Do not remove the following part about the referendum on the Constitution of Abkhazia - the numbers speak for themselves!

---

On 3rd October 1999 a referendum was held to ascertain the citizens' attitude to the current Constitution. On the referendum day there lived on the territory of Abkhazia 219,534 citizens eligible to vote, i.e. 58.5% of the pre-war number of voters. 87.6% of the registered voters took part in the referendum, which comprised more than half of the pre-war number of voters. 97.7% of the voters approved the Constitution currently in force.

---

2) Georgia's page:

The conflict in Abkhazia started when Georgia send troops to the republic. Thath's for the start. Then "etnic clensing" occured not ONLY against Georgians, but all the parts of the conflict were using these methods. Georgians etnically cleansed Abkhaz and South Ossetians and vice-versa.

3) Estonia's page:

The core of the "forrest brothers" was made out of former Waffenn-SS estonian troopers. That is even written in the article in you "encyclopedia". You can't really call these people "veterans of the German army" because SS was not army regulars. Same goes for the "loyal civilians". Actually all these people after their regular units were disbanned were "civilians". How many "Thousands" were really just civilians is nor for you or me to speculate about.

You can not stop the truth!!!! It will be heard!!!

Anon

Guy, seriosuly. You've got a wrong place for political propaganda. Play your games elsewhere. --Kober 03:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Same back to you, man: You've got a wrong place for political propaganda. Play your games elsewhere.

No point in trying to adjust of the plaint facts of history, man. We'll see to it that this will not happen here.

--Anon 03:55, 7 Juli 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Do you think it was a bad idea for me to create the Laz people article? —Khoikhoi 22:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Khoi. You actually did a good job - this artilce was one of Wiki's most needed. Thanks, --Kober 03:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Kober. But wouldn't the creaton of this article mean that Megrelian people and Svan people would also have to be created?

BTW, in regards to your "friend" above, just contact El C is he continues, he'll take care of it. Cheers. —Khoikhoi 03:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, Mingrelians and Svans are not generally considered as separate ethnic groups despite the fact that they have their own languages. Their consolidation with the Georgians proper began in late antiquity and actually formed a single ethnos. They identify themselves as Georgians. The Laz have been politically separated from Georgia for centuries, and has developed their own identity, though they consider Georgians as their relatives. Ony a small portion of the Laz living in Adjara say they are part of Georgians. It would be interesting to include a section on their identity in the article, but we need to find proper references to cite.

Thanks for your tips in regards to my "firend":). Best wishes, --Kober 03:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks for the information. —Khoikhoi 04:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Machakheli

• Gamarjoba! gtxov rom Machakheli gadaitane dzvel sataurze. eg kaci, vinc shecvala satauri, mudam amas aketebs, turkul versiashic. turkulidan daizko da mere gadavida inglisurze. etkoba rom islamistia da ver itans imas rac xteba acharashi. aba kargad. --AKaKi 18:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• @ AKaKi: Bravo birader, ne de güzel ispiyonlamışsın bizi bu ortodoks fanatiğine.. İslamist olduğumuz için Acarada olanları çekemiyoruz öyle mi? Yazık ki çok yazık! Türkiye'de yaşayan bir gürcünün öncelikle dedelerinin niçin göç ettiğini iyi bilmesi gerek. Dedeler, bu tip ortodoks din faşizanları nedeniyle yurtlarını terketmek zorunda kaldı! İslamist ha.. Acaradaki bu faşizanlığa karşı çıkmak için İslamist, dindar olmaya gerek yok, biraz geçmişini, aslını, neslini bil yeter!

gmadlob. eg aris turketis qartveli da ragac maniakaluri midgomebi aqvs. droebit. --Kober 19:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• TurqeTSi qarTveli araris Koberav!. TurqeTSi Cveneburi aris, Muslimani gurCebi aris! maniakaluri Sheni saxelia!

• Mec turketis qartveli var. eg kaci zalian uxesh sakmes aketebs, upro metat turkul versiashi. magaliti acharis statia (inglisuri). am statias parulad cvlis, shignit umatebs patar patar cinadadebebs. adamiani verc xedavs shecvalul adgilebs. gadatvaliere am statias. da tu moaxerxeb, dacere erti kai statia machaxlis shesaxeb. me vtxove da daicera qartuli. didi madloba! magrad ikav.--AKaKi 11:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Türkiye'de kartvel yoktur AKaKi. Ne yapıyormuşum Türkçe versiyonda? Bravo iyi işbirliği! Aferin kartvelceyi iyi çözmüşsün, ama aslını, neslini bırakıp kartvelleşmişsin! Vay be neler yapıyormuşuz? Biz düşman kuvveti (İslamist), ortodoks faşisti dost? Ne güzel işbirliği! sipariş ver bakalım Macahel maddesini... Yazık, sadece yazık!

gmadlob rom shematkobine. mokitxva chvens dzmebs turketshi:) me vapireb rom gavaumjobeso acharis statia. machaxelsac mivxedav. tu rame informacia gekneba, gamagebine tu moaxerxeb. kargad dzmao.--Kober 12:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• TurqetSi dzmebi? Arc aWara arc maWaxeli kartvelefs ar na SavaWamot na! Aba axla mokcemen lamaz informacep, elode! karkad dzmao? vina Seni dzmao? qartuli da rusuli ortodoqsaluref Cven winacarebma tbilisSi suli aRebia. Tqveni naqmari davicyuli arali. Amden muslimani gurci maT qalaqebidan vin ayena? Axlac aWaraSi danarCenelefze tvali gaqvan..

[edit] Here's an interesting article you might want to check out

Georgians in Iran—not sure if you've seen it before. —Khoikhoi 03:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Khoi. I've not seen it before. I'll later add some more info though the figures are not easily verifiable. Regards, --Kober 04:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About the Abkhazia article

Hey, I've noticed that you re-added the terma Abkhazia into the infobox for official languages. I have no problem with that but could you explain why there needs to be two "abkhazia"s in that box?

the way it looks now is : "Abkhazian, Russian(1), Georgian, Abkhazian (2)". That's pretty confusing, so maybe it would be better to keep only the one "abkhazian" term with the superscripted '2' beside it. OR we could split the "official languages" into two sections (so it would be more clear) like 1)Official languages according to the Georgian constitution and 2)Official languages according to the separatist government.

tell me what ya think --Lenev 15:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I readded it because it looked as if only the Abkhaz language has an official status. However, the Georgian constitution grants this right to both Georgian and Abkhazian. Splitting the section is also a good idea, or we can organize it as follows: "Abkhazian(1,2), Russian (1), Georgian (2)". Regards, --Kober 16:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Good job on the re-organization, I think it can be left as it is now. --Lenev 23:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Azeri

Hi Kober and thanks for joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Azeri. I’m very glad that you decided to join our Wikiproject. We are looking forward to working with you. Regards, Grandmaster 18:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to you too Grandmaster, always glad to contribute something of substance to Azerbaijan-related articles. Cheers, --Kober 18:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Machakhel(i)

Hi Kober,

Although removing interwikis is considered vandalism (as well as the flag, unless he had a reason), the rest of his edits were not. Hopefully I solved the Machakhel(i) dispute, and as for Adjaria, you should probably post a message on the talk page about about the flag. BTW, don't call people "trolls", no matter how they behave. Ciao! —Khoikhoi 05:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Thanks a lot, Khoi.--Kober 05:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)