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Contents 1 Welcome 2 TARS 3 DYK 4 Thank You 5 DYK 6 War of 1812 7 Battle of Copenhagen (1801) 8 Josias Rowley 9 DYK Updated 10 Isle of Man 11 British Post-Nominals In Introductory Sentences 12 You can help (and you did:) 13 Anglica 14 Hi 15 Aubrey-Maturin section redirects 16 Double redirects 17 Iraq Petroleum Co. 18 Who are you ? 19 Who are you? 20 Claude Auchinleck 21 Tudor style architecture 22 Edward Quinan and Field Marshall Maitland Wilson 23 DYK 24 Toronto Port Authority 25 DYK 26 Another HMS Indefatigable 27 DYK query 28 The Mauritius Command 29 Orchestrial Manoeuvres in the Dark 30 War of 1812 31 Battle of Copenhagen (1801) 32 Saints Wikiproject 33 Trampoline 34 Barnstar 35 Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion 36 Oh, just priests were killed 37 Thanks 38 Pistolpierre 39 Andrew Miller 40 War of 1812 POV Question 41 reqphoto 42 Swastika 43 Oscar Wilde 44 Thank you! 45 Historical Irish Guards regiments 46 Image:DMTramp.jpg 47 IoM Myths and Legends 48 St Juan 49 Nelson

[edit] Welcome

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[edit] TARS

Jibbooms and bobstays, of course I am aware of TARS, and have read/participated on Tarboard for many years. One of the greatest pleasures of my life was watching my wife read S&A for the first time to my adult to my kids, hearing it for the first time as children, simultaneoulsy recalling my mom reading it to me as a kid and re-hearing it as an adult. A multifaceted experience. - DavidWBrooks 15:09, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Thank You

Thanks for correcting the picture in the article about Lord Nelson! And also for doing it so quickly. I'm very new to Wikipedia, and I have no idea how to go about doing such corrections yet, so it's nice to see that others take an interest in things being correct. Regards,--Ckaiserca 13:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article W. G. Collingwood, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] War of 1812

The Wikipedia entry for Fort Mackinac has a longish description of the events there in 1814, which is why I put that link in the Operations in the West, 1814 section. I won't change your edits though; the link might as well go in the Invasions of 1812 section. HLGallon 18:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Copenhagen (1801)

In response to your request for reference concerning the casualty figures, I have provided a my reference in the reference section of the article. Although it's Danish, I'm sure it counts. ;) Best regards --Boreanesia 17:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I read your recent revision. Bravo! The article just gets better and better. Thanks! Best regards --Boreanesia 21:32, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Josias Rowley

Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I've added your new article, Josias Rowley, to the "Did you know..." section of Portal:War. Kirill Lokshin 02:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK Updated

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Josias Rowley, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Scimitar ^parley 15:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Israel Pellew, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Isle of Man

Hi, I have made some edits to the Onchan and Michael (parish) pages and noticed that you have done a lotof stuff on the Isle of Man page (and list it as an interest on your user page). Would you mind taking a look at it and seeing if there is anything that could be improved? Cheers -localzuk 14:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] British Post-Nominals In Introductory Sentences

Our discussion moved/refactored to the bio style guide talk page, update or improve as necessary. Tx. Metaeducation 17:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I moved it back to General O'Connor's discussion page as well, so we may continue there if you wish Dabbler.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 02:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You can help (and you did:)

While I'm here- Thanks to all who helped take care of the Richard O'Connor article while it was on the mainpage. The RC patrol and CV unit truly ROCK most righteously, and I salute you! Once more, thanks --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 06:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglica

Hmmm - Thanks for your note. I think having done a Google search, Anglica should probably not be a redirect with links or developed text to clarify how it is different to Anglia (= old name for England = the kingdom occupying the area now known as East Anglia). Learn something new every day :-)--A Y Arktos 00:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I thought it should not exist, but I found it certainly was a term that has been used - for example, see: [1]. Hence I think the stub should stay and not be redirected.--A Y Arktos 08:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I beg your pardon for sending you a link that wouldn't go through your firewall. I agree that it is the Latin adjective. The reason for sending the redirect to East Anglia was because on the redirect page there is a disambiguation to Anglia(kingdom) which in turn redirects to East Anglia. Anglia(kingdom) should probably be developed at least as a stub. England is perhaps too generic and large a term covering too much history. Regards--A Y Arktos 21:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Thinking further (and reading the article), Anglia(kingdom) is correctly redirected to East Anglia. I have no strong views as to whether Anglica redirects to East Anglia or England. The first line of the East Anglia article allows the reader to quickly navigate to England if that is what he wants. It is pretty clear in both articles, why you would end up there from Anglica. Polydore Vergil's histroy was referring to England, not the East Anglian kingdom. Accordingly I will change the redirect to England - it is better to go to an article than a disambiguation page in my opinion.--A Y Arktos 21:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi. I am sorry if you found the link I added on the Battle of Trafalgar to be poor. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 08:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, I just thought your opinion of it being poor was not very necessary in the article. Cheers.

Take care, εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 21:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Are you Encyclopedist's sock puppet? Just wondering because you reverted my attempt to explain why I think the link Encyclopedist found was less than adequate and there is a lot of editing of Encyclopedists User pages by this IP address. If you are a sock puppet it does seem quite immature and not at all honest to try and disguise whose editing. Dabbler 03:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to disguise it. My user page sometimes jumps off when I edit, so I use this instead. Still, your opinion does not belong in the article. Just because you think a link is poor doesn't necessarily mean that other editors care. Sorry. I am not a sockpuppet, I am his IP - the two are very different. Thanks. 65.32.159.187 12:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Responded on my talk page. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 15:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aubrey-Maturin section redirects

(copied from User talk:DESiegel) Thanks for reverting those bot changes so quickly. Dabbler 17:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I had them all on my watchlist since I did the merge and created the redirects in the first place. I saw your reversion on 21, and simply did the same thing on all the others. I have also left a msg for the bot operator. DES ^(talk) 17:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Double redirects

Thanks for your comment. Please see User talk:DESiegel for my reply. --Russ Blau (talk) 20:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iraq Petroleum Co.

Thanks for your nice words! Thomas Blomberg 17:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who are you ?

I am interested in learning who you are please. I would like to know how a member of the Royal Navy hate his own country / religion / church / people ? Question entered anonymously by User:198.179.142.6 18:47, 19 January 2006

[edit] Who are you?

I am genuinely interested in learning more about you. You and a certain frenchman have a lot in common. I am interested in learning how a member of the Royal Navy would hold such views.

Question entered anonymously by User:198.179.142.6 23:43, 19 January 2006

[edit] Claude Auchinleck

Well, when I'm mistaken I'm mistaken (I don't even know what gave me the notion; probably the other reference in the article). Plus, my friends are hardly noble enough to be able to help defend my honour. Wally 04:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tudor style architecture

Hi Dabbler, re the above, I agree entirely with you. I could never see why it was ever changed from 'Tudor architecture' in first place. Talk about getting one's knickers in a twist. What indeed is the difference between Tudor Style A. and Tudor A.? Almost certainly none. Dieter Simon 00:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edward Quinan and Field Marshall Maitland Wilson

I am just pleased to be of assistance. What has also caught my interest is that the man who followed Quinan in Iraq was Henry Maitland Wilson who at the moment does not have a very good article. I note you have already made a small edit there. It would take me a bit more time to improve it than I can afford just now. But if you have some info, I will go through The Times and see what I can find to supplement it. Even then I am not sure I would know enough to write an assessment. Is there a book with assessments? -- Op. Deo 20:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I have just found a copy of Wilson's obituary that I made nearly two years ago and had forgotten about! Tomorrow I will put some material from it on my sandbox page User:Op. Deo/test I am not very knowledgeable about WWII military matters so whatever help that people such as yourself can give will be very useful. There is a book by Wilson's son Lord Patrick, which I also need to find and read, "Where the Nazis came" Memoirs of the Second World War as told by Lord Wilson, who worked as an intelligence officer at British Army HQ in Greece at the time. -- Op. Deo 00:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Toronto Port Authority

Your entries on the Toronto Port Authority appear to represent a biased, misleading and incomplete point of view of the Toronto Port Authority. I have no objection to your inclusion of historical fact in Toronto Port Authority information. To only include information promoting your own perception or political agenda is not the purpose of Wikipedia. If you wish to add neutral and verifiable articles to this article please do so. Entries violating Wikipedia policy will be removed. I agree that some of the text I had included in my modifications was self promoting. I believe I have removed the offending entries. If we cannot agree on what constitutes a neutral POV I suggest we may submit for arbitration.Kdickson 17:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

By all means submit for arbitration. I have made precisely three edits to the article as can be seen in the history, one was a revert plus the addition of the fact that Mayor Miller ran on the anti-Island Bridge issue, one was a typo fix and wiki-linkage and one added that sailboaters were also opposed to the bridge on safety grounds.

You on the other hand have systematically removed all material in any way detrimental to the TPA and are an employee of the organization. I also note that you have used material verbatim from the Toronto Port Authority website, specifiaclly quotes from these pages. Port pageAirport page. This may constitute copyright infringement unless you can confirm that use of the material is permitted by the relevant TPA authorities. Dabbler 17:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Response Your addition of the information on Mayor Miller's campaign was indeed accurate, however, your reversion brought back the misleading paragraph preceding the Miller statement. The dispute was in fact not ongoing and only became a dispute with the election of Mr. Miller. The bridge was approved and lauded by the previous city council. To state that the bridge was opposed by many recreational sailors is hearsay and may be more opinion than fact.

In fact, most of the information originally posted concerning the Toronto Port Authority is the same misleading and biased information published on the Community Air and Toronto's Community Bulletin web sites.

I am an employee of the Toronto Port Authority, however, my Wikipedia entries are not sanctioned by the Toronto Port Authority. I can confirm that the use of TPA material from www.torontoport.com is permitted by the relevant TPA authorities.Kdickson 21:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Pigeon Post, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 06:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another HMS Indefatigable

Thanks for pointing me to the article about the earlier HMS Indefatigable -- I was not aware of it before. Sorry about taking almost a month to thank you, but you know how it goes: I got busy with other things, and it slipped my mind until I saw your note on my talk page again today. Indefatigable 21:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK query

I don't decide on which one should make it nor do I condemn entries. I merely express my concerns and honest opinions (I read "H" for honest, not humble) - if other editors indeed feel that these articles are appropriate, they do come back on the Template talk:Did you know and I respect that opinion. An article on an author and a series of books is ok, having an article on a book in the series for DYK is like having DYK on an episode of a TV series like Friends, which routinely get rejected by other editors/admins as well. Please see that an entry from "Pigeon Post", an article you created, was updated to DYK by me. In the current case, if I remove the template and the image, the length is too low - ideally it should fill atleast a screen. You may also want to have a look at this. Also, I'd like people to be more responsive to instructions on DYK. You are supposed to suggest only free images, that is PD, GFDL and other such compliant licenses. Suggesting a fair-use image is not done. Do understand that the number of suggestions available, their diversity and date of creation play a large role in the updation of DYK. The acceptance of an item on DYK is no certificate of excellence of an article nor is its rejection, a comment on its quality. As an updating admin, I would need to exhibit discretion on what gets on to the DYK, as it is me who gets the stick (or rarely, but pleasantly, the carrot in form of welcome barnstars). I guess you get the point. Also, your bringing in India into the discussion, borders on trolling, imo - please reflect on that. Thanks for your time, --Gurubrahma 12:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Your bringing in India in that discussion hints (probably unintendedly) that I favour DYK updates with Indian content, which is untrue. My number of rejects and accepts for India-related entries for DYK would be in the ratio of 50-50, higher than general rate of rejection. Also, I welcome to see you my articles that made it to DYK - while interestingness is subjective, length is not and you may see for yourself if I follow the standards that I preach. btw, I did not accuse you of trolling, I only said that it borders on trolling. I am also a volunteer like you and I would like my WP experience to be pleasant, just as you would. I would suggest that being civil and courteous would help us both in relishing the experience. Good day, --Gurubrahma 14:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Mauritius Command

Thanks for your copyedits and other cleanups of my humble efforts on this article. It is really beginning to get where I hoped now, largely down to your help. I might even propose it for Good Article status, which I would not have been able to do without you , Thanks. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)} 14:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orchestrial Manoeuvres in the Dark

Well met again Dabbler (we have to stop meeting like this:). While I don't agree with everything in the MoS, nor believe it should be treated as tablets from on high, or the holy word of Jimbo. But I do think it is very sensible when it states that Brit spellings should be used for Brit subjects. In fact, I would go further and extend this consideration to authors as well. I see no reason why a contributor who was raised to use Anglo spellings, should be expected to use American ones just conform to US "sensibilities" and v. versa. To insist otherwise IS ethnocentric, in my view. So suffice to say, I agree with Brother Leithp on this matter.

Incidently, we of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history, are setting up a British Military History Taskforce and we have a Napoleonic era one up and running. Please feel welcome to come join us in our dabblings. Cheers, --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 15:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] War of 1812

It originally said "on both sides" before I changed it. One of the reasons I changed it was that it seemed to be possible to read it as implying that individual natives fought on both sides... I'm not sure what the best way of "fixing" this is. Thoughts? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 16:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Good solution. Nice work! --Dante Alighieri | Talk 23:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Copenhagen (1801)

Hi, Thanks for your message. I guessed that was what had happened. While of course we should respect all facts contributed by different people, the Danish contibutor's ideas can't be sustained. I cannot see on any basis the battle could be termed a Danish victory, and hopefully the edit will have dealt with the other two points (it's why I included he full texts of Nelson's communications with the Crown Prince). We'll see what happens. MAG1 13:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

• {{User Saints WikiProject}}

This user is a member of the Saints WikiProject.

Thanks! --evrik 16:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Is there a This user doesn't use Userboxes userbox? I don't do saints much either. Dabbler 18:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trampoline

I'm sorry if I offended you with the trampoline safety issue, I didn't mean anything personal. I looked at your examples about people getting hurt on the tramp and I can see your side of the story now. I'll try to write the section so it isn't baised either way. Jonathan ^talk 00:03, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

While checking out the template that I started, I have seen how much work you have put into the articles for the Swallows and Amazons series. Well done and thanks. I award you :

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Well done on all your work for Swallows and Amazons JP Godfrey (Talk to me) 21:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion

Hello! I noticed that you have been a contributor to articles on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion. You may be interested in checking out a new WikiProject - |WikiProject Anglicanism. Please consider signing up and participating in this collaborative effort to improve and expand Anglican-related articles! Cheers! Fishhead64 21:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh, just priests were killed

Dabbler. Perhaps you think that makes it better somehow? I happen to be a Catholic priest, so you said that to the wrong person.

Interesting, that you think I'm Irish, given their history that would make sense. Actually I am an American of French Canadian, Scotch Irish and English decent (the latter two I'm a bit ashamed of). The Irish are not the only ones the English abused. You need to read some history from non-British POV. Peoples around the world have long bitter memories of British oppression. The British, by the way destroyed the Cathedral of Quebec city three times. And yes, that was another Anglican atrocity.

As for the ARCIC, this was a concession in one instance to appease Anglicans. However, you will not find such a reference in any encyclical nor conciliar documents. Certainly this concession does not imply that in all public fora, the Catholic Church abandons the right to use of her name. That is just pure Anglican dreaming.

I'm sure you are a decent person. But I am equally sure that you are blind to your own anti-Catholicism just as the whites of the old American South (who were almost exclusively of British decent) were blind to their racism.--Vaquero100 01:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Dabbler, my apologies for my tone. It is not an excuse, but I have been hounded for two months by an Anglican over on the RCC page who has plenty "ancestral______" whatever. In a moment of weakness I made good on a petty promise to take it to his page for a change. Still, there ought to be some recognition of the persecutions of English Catholics in the ecumenism section. It is just too blatant to omit. --Vaquero100 02:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you, Dabbler, well done.

[edit] Pistolpierre

Thanks for the heads up, I basically trimmed it completely. --Golbez 03:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Miller

Since the official RN web-site uses the term, as described, I think that they should know what to call themselves, do you not think so? (This is also what all Sea Cadets are told). Ready, aye ready :) Mousescribe 18:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

PS For the information of the NMM, "Andrew Miller" would not be found in the list of "Officers" since he would actually have been the "Leading Rate" of a shore party, ie, an officer in that he was officiating in the Shore Party. :) Mousescribe 19:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The officer did not take part in the "job" in hand, A. Miller would have been paid a "bounty" per head. The trouble is that revisionists of "myth" tend to kill the good story. And do not forget that wiki is not interested in truth, as such :) Mousescribe 20:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Always assume good faith :) Mousescribe 08:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] War of 1812 POV Question

Your and NJW494's changes don't square with most of what's written in the article. If you think the whole article is POV, please discuss it on the Talk Page, and we can consider changing it. Otherwise, let's not edit war on the intro. Sans your changes, the article is coherent (and in my view, accurate -- but, again, if you disagree, take it to Talk.) Thanks. --Cultural Freedom talk 2006-07-12 11:31 (UTC)

[edit] reqphoto

Reqphot and Reqphotoin have replaced the deprecated image requested. I believe that I place a comment on the edit history page that had (image). Of course this would not be an issue if they had keep the reqimage since there are usually paintings from that era.Hope that explains the reasoning.--Oldwildbill 11:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swastika

Great pictures of the Swastika in the Kipling article! Sanjay Tiwari 19:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I have a lot of Kipling too, but not much in the older editions. Where did your grandmother's parents live in India? It must have been something to be actually reading the stories of the young Kipling in a newspaper when they first came out. They must have been very proud of him. Sanjay Tiwari 13:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oscar Wilde

Hello Dabbler. I just wanted to offer any assitance that I can in the current situation over Oscar's wikipage. While this has occurred in the past a compromise has usually been attainable. Not so, so far, this time. I have been loath to enter edit conflicts in my time here at wikip, as I respect the 3RR. In this case you have presented reasonable arguments with little but sniping in return. So, again, any support or assistance that I can bring (though as a wikignome I don't know how much standing I have) please feel free to call on me. MarnetteD | Talk 14:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Dear Dabbler, Thanks very much for the Barnstar! It means a lot to me. Working on the Kipling page has been doubly enjoyable--I am getting to reread Kipling, and I'm getting the recognition of like-minded Wikipedians. Sanjay Tiwari 19:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historical Irish Guards regiments

Hi, Dabbler, an article you created a year ago is still on the cleanup list even though many people have edited it since. My knowledge on the subject is nil; perhaps you could take a peek. -THB 21:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, in that case you should go have a peek just for a giggle. -THB 22:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:DMTramp.jpg

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[edit] IoM Myths and Legends

Hi Dabbler, I can understand why you removed my bits about St Juan as you probably haven't read the book that I mentioned, I realise i didn't put the author's name and ref number on the ref list. However The book does exist and the (very) potted history that I put in there was researched from the book. What's more there is a St Juan Foundation. I know it's strange that there is no google entry, but until recently most of this stuff was just passed down by generation by stories. By the way, Leaving the legends of the Buggane and Moddey Dhoo in, and removing the St Juan lines because it was "nonsense" made me chuckle. I'm going to do some more research on the St Juan legend, and try and get in touch with someone from the foundation. There's something happening on the 24th of this month called the Stone Run in Port St Mary. At midnight some people will apparently leg it from the Station pub hop over the wall opposite and run through the field opposite to the big medieval stone that stands there, and back.... wearing nothing but stout shoes!! I kid you not. Anyway, apparently this ties in somehow with the St Juan thing (I thought it best not to mention that in my piece). I'll let you know how I get on, then if you agree I can add my bits back onto the page. By the way the book is very good. You can borrow it if you like.

Cheers, Mike Catlow.

[edit] St Juan

Ha ha ha ha, you're right Dabbler, it sounds very odd. I found the book in Ottakers in Douglas, under the Local Myths and Legends section. I'm going to make it my mission to find out some more about the St Juan Foundation and the hilariously titled Knights of the High Corracle of St Juan. I'll keep you informed of anything I find out and run it by you before updating,

Cheers Mike. --Cat 15:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nelson

I just didn't rollback far enough. Sorry. Yomangani^talk 12:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)