User talk:Ashley Y

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Contents 1 Hello 2 John Barleycorn 3 E-Prime 4 Heathenism 5 Category:Norse mythology 6 Rabbits 7 River Kennet Etymology 8 Mullet (haircut) 9 Goddess 10 Androcracy 11 Your suggestion for category name change 12 Season 13 RFC on Kris45 etc... 14 Article Licensing 15 NPOV 16 Talk:Gliding action 17 Charles Enderlin 18 Robert the Bruce 18.1 Sorry 19 Stroking 20 Autofellatio poll 21 Buck's Fizz and Mimosa (cocktail) 22 Temp page 23 Deletion of Oh My Gods! link 24 Mao 25 Agnatic vs cognatic 26 Places of worship 27 Skolemization 28 categorization cycles 29 Template:DirectionUndecided 30 parasitology 31 Category:Tree of life and Category:Life 32 Summability criterion 33 Category:Religion 34 Hey, I know you! 35 3RR 36 Category:Reconstructed Traditions 37 Ecclesiastical government 38 Kubuntu 39 Artisson 40 Your favorite trolls 41 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cisgender 42 Male privilege 43 Category:Hermeticism 44 Palesrael 45 Neutral editor 46 T1 Debate Summary 47 DRV 48 Renaming and Redirecting of Reconstructionist Pagan articles 49 Religion userbox directory in userspace 50 Political userboxes 51 Could you lend a hand? 52 cat lovers 53 Just wondering 54 Calling programmers 55 ACIM 56 Referencing 57 Political userboxes 58 Userbox listings 59 This User Prays...for the old graphic! 60 Info on Islamophobic group 61 Agnostic Userbox 62 Input request 63 Process discussions 64 Talib 72 65 WP:SNOW 66 Perl benchmarks 67 0.999... != 1 68 My comments on the Kineret on talk 69 Statements 70 Extended quotation 71 I edited your Cascadia userbox

[edit] Hello

Hello Ashley,I originally put this on your user page by mistake. Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you have a lot of fun here. There are lots of resources around to help guide you. be sure to check out:

• Wikipedia:Naming conventions
• Wikipedia:Manual of Style

If you want add any images check out:

• wikipedia:image use policy
• Wikipedia:How to keep image file sizes as small as possible

If you need any help try:

• Wikipedia:Help
• Village pump
• Or ask me at my talk page User_talk:Theresa knott

Don't be afraid of making the odd mistake, there are any number of others eagerly waiting for a chance to correct it!

[edit] John Barleycorn

Good job on finding older sources for John Barleycorn. I was slightly sceptical of the Burns attribution, but from what I read it did seem like the poem had escaped into the folk tradition. The earlier versions only slightly resemble the earlier ones.

I may want to reword and restore some of the text about the non-antiquity of the concept. And by all means, add some quotes from the earlier versions; we may want to take only excerpts from the Burns version if we do, and add some notes about the differences. -- Smerdis of Tlön 04:23, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Do put the over-interpretation bit back if you like, but bear in mind the antiquity question is open: unless you have more data, all we know is that it goes back at least as far as the 16th century. —Ashley Y 07:23, Nov 30, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] E-Prime

I arrived at your user page from the article "E-Prime". It was interesting to find out that you are "more of a fiddler and corrector than an originator" :) Corrector, correct thyself? Mkoval 20:38, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Heathenism

I redirected back to Paganism and merged Heathenry as well. These articles were so small and so easily incorporated within Paganism I thought it was best. Have a look; I reformatted Paganism during the merger (I kept all content, in case your worried). Let me know what you think, on my talk page, or Talk:Paganism. Cheers, Sam [Spade] 22:16, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I moved Heathen also. This way anybody who searches for any of these will find all the info :). Its way better than hoping to chance across each of the links, all w subtley different spellings, I'd say. Cheers, and thanks for your help, Sam [Spade] 05:47, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Norse mythology

You have suggested a name change for the category "Norse mythology" to "Germanic mythology". I think that it is a very good suggestion.--Wiglaf 11:56, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rabbits

Good point about the cross-space link. I'll zap it for you, you do the renaming. Noel 02:29, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, done. —Ashley Y 15:46, 2004 Sep 16 (UTC)

[edit] River Kennet Etymology

I've lived in Reading for some years, and I've never heard that derivation for the name of the River Kennet. Unsurprisingly given the age of most of them, it is not in any local history book I can lay my hands on. Care to quote a source?. -- Chris j wood 14:44, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Mullet (haircut)

You seem to be stuck in a revert war with User:Jello042 over Mullet (haircut). Please discuss your problems on the article's talk page. Thanks, Whosyourjudas (talk) 01:29, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Goddess

Now that you've moved Goddess movement to its own heading, a wise move, you need to leave a brief precis of its contents in the emptied subsection at Goddess. Just what's relevant to Goddess. --Wetman 04:10, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Androcracy

I appreciate your eagle-eyed criticism on the matriarchy page, and I think that the androcracy page could greatly benefit from it as well. If you have any suggestions as to how I can expand and improve that article, please let me know, either on that talk page or my talk page. I was thinking of adding content that reflected on the historical, social, psychological, and regional basis for androcracy, as well as anything else that might explain its prevalence. I am not referring to patriarchy in particular, but a more specific form of legislative, judicial, and executive rule by men. Thank you in advance. --Viriditas 08:27, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Your suggestion for category name change

Dear Ashley: Thank you for your suggestions. Following your recommendations for a new name for the category "Jewish philosophers (Judaism)", I renamed the category Category:Philosophers of Judaism as per your advice which is very succinct. The other branch of this category is now renamed as Category:Secular Jewish philosophers (was "Jewish philosophers (Secular)"). Both somehow supposedly "fit" under Category:Jewish philosophy. Thanks again for your excellent suggestion. IZAK 19:00, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Season

I really should have brought this up last February, when the changes were made, but I guess late is better than not at all.

You changed the table listing the season reckoning by month. I've never heard of anyone who considers spring to begin as early as February. Where did you get this information? --Smack 06:04, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's what I was taught growing up in England. See the second "external link". —Ashley Y 07:55, 2004 Nov 29 (UTC)

[edit] RFC on Kris45 etc...

I'd appreciate your comments and/or signature at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kris45. -℘yrop (talk) 18:11, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for alerting me to that. I wouldn't care except of course for the impersonation issue. —Ashley Y 03:26, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] NPOV

Excellent work on Binational solution! - Ta bu shi da yu 23:12, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Gliding action

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I withdraw my comment on talk:gliding action because it was late 

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This withdraw means that all is well now.  I sure am glad I did not write anything else silly.

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Ŭalabio 06:36, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)

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[edit] Charles Enderlin

Hi ! Thanks for your excellent work on Charles Enderlin ! Rama 08:34, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Robert the Bruce

Just out of curiosity, why are you listed as having created the first few edits in Robert the Bruce's user page? —Ashley Y 09:10, 2005 Jan 30 (UTC)

I encountered Robert in late November. At that time I would often go to his talk page via the user page (which was empty) to try to dissuade him from being so rude. I inserted a placeholder there for my own convenience. Later on I wikified some of the emails that he was most fond of quoting, in the hope that he would take the hint and start quoting the Wikilinks instead of the full text. He didn't seem to mind. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:46, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

I bodged things a bit on your user page. I meant to reply to your previous query, but accidentally put the reply on your user page. I think it's fixed now. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:10, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stroking

Why did you add stroking and fluttering to Meissner's corpuscle? I specifically stated in the talk page why I didn't include those in my rewrite. In case you didn't notice, your original addition of these points caused a debate which is still ongoing. Are you purposely fueling the fire? Unless you have some compelling reason, I will be reverting your change. --jag123 16:38, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• You should have listened to what I told you in the first place. - Robert the Bruce 17:27, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty happy with Jakew's last edit myself. —Ashley Y 03:29, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)

I'm glad you're happy with Jakew's last edit. When someone removes something from an article and states his/her reasons why, the decent thing to do is usually explain why you'll be changing it again. You haven't done that before changing the article, nor when I asked on the talk page and still fail to do it here. Considering that most of the debate that is occuring on Robert's RfA involves your additions to the articles, your lack of concern in keeping the peace (or even making an effort) is disappointing. Futhermore, since you can't provide any reasons for your changes, I can't help but think that your edit is in fact POV, and at this point, only serves to anger pro-circumcision activists. In case you didn't realise, the uncertainty in the POV of your addition was an important issue in order to prove that Robert was acting unreasonably and you've just clarified that. He obviously knows you better than I. Your edits will be reverted. --jag123 03:54, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, "pro-circumcision activist" Jakew didn't seem to be angered since he added to my edit. As for the RfA on Robert, I trust that will stand or fall on its merits. If you're looking to see me edit in a certain way for the purposes of finagling that somehow then I really can't help you. —Ashley Y 04:07, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)

I'm sure Jakew bit his tongue. Unlike you, he appears more interested in having a neutral article than reverting and causing more problems. The problems caused from your previous edit aren't even over and you're doing it again. It's completely mind-boggling. You're right, you can't help me; you obviously are editing articles with a POV. --jag123 04:16, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Doing what again? —Ashley Y 04:23, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)

[edit] Autofellatio poll

Hi. There is a poll going on at Talk:Autofellatio. We'd appreciate your vote. —Cantus…☎ 04:20, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Buck's Fizz and Mimosa (cocktail)

I don't understand why you want these two articles to be merged. While I agree that both drinks have very similar ingredients, that is where the similarity ends. On top of the different proportions of the main ingredients, and the obviously different names, they have distinct cultural histories. For these reasons I believe that the negative effects of a merger would considerably outweigh the positive. Carruthers 14:57, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Temp page

Medical analysis of circumcision/temp has been marked for deletion. Are you still working on that temp page or is it okay to delete it? Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 07:13, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Oh My Gods! link

I am currently working on the Oh My Gods! article to be linked to and you deleted the link, any reason why? --Shivian Balaris 03:55, 2005 Apr 12 (UTC)

[edit] Mao

There are pretty good reasons to introduce the game properly. I dislike edit wars and I'd rather work this out amicably. Can't we try to seek common ground here? — Xiong熊talk 05:14, 2005 Apr 16 (UTC)

[edit] Agnatic vs cognatic

Please read the discussion page of primogeniture and please present your credentials in the science in question.

[edit] Places of worship

Would you care to tell me why you consider a horgr to be a religious place and not a place of worship?--Wiglaf 11:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I removed the whole category Category:Places of worship. —Ashley Y 23:30, 2005 May 13 (UTC)

[edit] Skolemization

I've reverted the article since your characterization is completely wrong. Skolemization completely eliminates existential quantifiers such that the variables whose scopes lie within those quantifiers are replaced by Skolem functions.

And the higher-order quantification over Skolem's simply doesn't make sense in an explanation of what Skolemization and a Skolem function are.Nortexoid 08:55, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] categorization cycles

Hi - I just wanted to let you know I'm fine with your proposal (leaving "usually" out until or unless someone can suggest a need). It looks like gracefool has not been active this weekend; I've prodded him to respond if he'd like. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:44, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:DirectionUndecided

Template:DirectionUndecided, which you have edited, has been nominated for deletion at WP:TFD. BlankVerse ∅ 10:57, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Really? I'm not seeing any deletion process anywhere. Are you still working on it? —Ashley Y 11:25, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

Templates are deleted following discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:33, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] parasitology

I'm a bit confused about the way you want to organize the categories. I think that many of the articles in parasitology are not about parasites, and should not be listed as such:

1. parasitologists are all in a subcategory of parasitology but aren't parasites themselves
2. medicines for treating parasites (e.g. Fumagillin) and concepts relating to parasites (e.g. fecal-oral route) aren't parasites but are parasitological subjects

It seems to me that either the category needs to be redesigned, or parasites needs to be a subcategory of parasitology, not vice-versa. If I'm missing something, let me know.

Dave (talk) 04:10, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

The idea is that parasitology is the study of parasites. There's a broader discussion of the proper relationship between subject and "study of" categories here, which you might be interested in contributing to. —Ashley Y 05:47, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look into it. Dave (talk) 12:09, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

I took a look, and I'm still not convinced. Do you have your own reasons for putting parasitology under parasites? Dave (talk) 12:19, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Incidentally, User:Gracefool, who in general supports your organization, supports my version for this case[1]

[edit] Category:Tree of life and Category:Life

Please do not arbitrarily empty and then blank categories such as Category:Tree of life, you must list them on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion (cfd) and they must undergo a process before are deleted or renamed. Also Category:Life was listed on cfd and voted for deletion back on Sep. 11, 2004, please do not recreate it without a discussion. Thanks. Lexor|Talk July 2, 2005 11:50 (UTC)

There's no record of the deletion of Category:Life on Category talk:Life, so I must assume that this category is available to be created should anyone feel there is a need for it. I also note that you describe there your own original decision to move as "bold" and apparently did not use CfD first. Please do not delete Category talk:Life, and do not delete Category:Life should it be recreated without listing it again on CfD or providing the original deletion discussion. —Ashley Y July 2, 2005 23:08 (UTC)

[edit] Summability criterion

Thanks for responding at Talk:Summability criterion. I was a bit busy that semester and I am just now getting back to articles I created then to see how things progressed. I'm glad someone saw fit to refute Syd1435 in that discussion. - McCart42 (talk) 05:08, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Religion

Hi , why did U remove category:Islam from category:Religions . category:Christianity is still there , so I thought category:Islam should be there too . Farhansher 05:30, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I've removed Christianity as well. They belong in Category:Religious faiths, traditions, and movements or perhaps in some sub-category such as Category:Abrahamic religions. —Ashley Y 05:36, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hey, I know you!

Just saw your name on the history of Worldwide Church of God. If I'm not mistaken, you're also on LJ's "nonfluffypagans" community, and my username will probably be familiar to you. In addition to just dropping in to say "hi", I've made some rather extensive edits to that and related articles, and I wanted to get your opinion on those edits. -- SwissCelt 23:42, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

IIRC my only change to those articles was removing references to the "index" article Herbert W. Armstrong (index) (which I put up for VfD) after it was deleted. —Ashley Y 00:59, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

This is just a warning that you are coming close (or perhaps already in violation of) Wikipedia's Three Revert Rule on New Orleans, Louisiana. I count two or three reverts in the last 24 hours, but that is not an invitation to go exactly by the letter of the rule. Thank you. (I did revert you once, but then I changed back, to maintain neutrality; to further neutrality I may find someone else to do the block if needed) --Golbez 09:18, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Please be sure I have actually violated the 3RR before blocking me. I'm glad you are maintaining neutrality, but if you do choose to participate, I encourage you to use the talk page when making reverts as per the first step in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. —Ashley Y 09:32, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry; this was merely a warning. I don't plan on blocking unless there's an egregious violating. I just noticed several reverts and just wanted to make it clear. You seem to be aware of the rule. :) --Golbez 17:25, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I suppose this is better than waiting until someone inadvertently violates the rule and then jumping all over them... —Ashley Y 19:55, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Reconstructed Traditions

I just listed this on WP:CFD, since you emptied it, I thought you might want some input. Salsb 00:17, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ecclesiastical government

Hello Ashley, I contributed to this article and keep an eye on it. Can you help me with getting a RfC or RfA on the Dominion of Melchizedek article? It might be good to have a woman there to help remove the bias. All I've tried to do is take from credible sources using parts that have some consensus and balancing some areas with the other side of the story. I gave up on that, and just started posting POV check at the top. That POV check is even considered vandalism by some that claim I have sock-puppets. As you can see I need help. I'll give you an example of something that needs balancing as I see it. An employee of the US OCC has been quoted as saying that DOM is illegal, whereas the offical web site of the US OCC only refers to DOM as an "unrecognized soverignty" that licensed a bank that may be operating illegally without permission in the USA, so I and another wikiuser tried to get consensus (even boldly editing) to add this fact, as a "however" following the employee's quoted statement. I also asked Jaxl for help on this today. Am I way off base here? Cordially,Johnski 07:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a woman, sorry... —Ashley Y 02:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Ashley, sorry, but your name sounded female to me. Still need your help. Sincerely, Johnski 07:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kubuntu

Please inform me as to the nature of your comments on the Kubuntu talk page as they do not seem to make sense? -localzuk 23:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Artisson

Watch your reverts on the AfD page -- I think you've got one left. I've warned Ravenflight too, since he might not know about the three-revert rule. (What a mess this is.) Madame Sosostris 21:18, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I just reported him... —Ashley Y 21:20, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm keeping an eye on the deletion page and trying to prevent it from becoming too cluttered...--Mackensen (talk) 00:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help... —Ashley Y 01:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, that's my third RV in 24h, so no more from me for awhile. I might just leave it alone until deletion. —Ashley Y 17:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your favorite trolls

User:Lupinespirit just got banned. Gather up the sock puppets, do a request for checkuser and post a note on WP:AN/I to get it handled more permenently.--Tznkai 09:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cisgender

Please weigh in on this AfD. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Male privilege

Thank you for your help and contribution to making the article better. David91 06:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Hermeticism

Why did you remove it from Category:Religion? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by King Vegita (talk • contribs) .

It doesn't belong there. It's already in Category:Religious faiths, traditions, and movements, it shouldn't also be in the supercat. —Ashley Y 18:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palesrael

OK. See this Israel-Palestine - maybe you'd wanna contest prod here too - and then I'd move it into one AfD. Crummy reason given for contesting prod, of course. Either you object to deletion or you don't - that's what prod is for - to save AfD time and effort.

As for "genital integrity" "intactivism" - sorry, HAD to comment - like with the Anti-Shechita protesters and the Christian-child-blood-in-Purim-cookies people - it's very thinly veiled Anti-Semitism, among other anti-'s. Intactivists oughta leave us alone to circumcize our baby boys in the eternal Jewish way. Sheesh!

Kindest regards, - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 05:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Please move both articles to AfD. —Ashley Y 05:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Please contest it formally, preferably with a reason, and I'll be happy to oblige. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 06:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Or like that :) Whatever. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 06:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

The AfD has been proposed here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palesrael. Please come and opine. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 14:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Been deleted. Courtesy notice. Cheers. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 06:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neutral editor

I found your comment of "There is no such thing as a neutral editor" quite interesting, and was wondering if you could indulge me in an experiment. On my userpage, I have three userboxes (suitably subst'd) so all it says is that I'm Irish, live in the UK, and spend lots of time on wikipedia. In otherwords, no POV or bias userboxes. I've 1000+ article edits, over multiple pages so any inherit bias I have should be recognisable by now. Please feel free to browse my contributions to wikipeda articles, and let me know what biases I should be aware of. As I said, this is only my own curiousity, and there's no time limit, nor any need for you to do anything at all. But if, as you say, there is no neutal editor, that means I must have biases that affect my editing. (I'm not dening I have bias, but I don't believe they affect my editing materially) So please review my edits, and if you can find a bias that affects my edits, please let me know. Regards, MartinRe 22:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T1 Debate Summary

Um, Ashley... I don't think you noticed, but you're inserting comments in the middle of an outline that a bunch of us are building... do you see the structure we're working on? The point is to summarize the main points in an orderly fashion because the debate has been getting so repetetive. Do you think you can work with that structure, rather than interpsersing signed comments? I don't want you to refrain from commenting, it's just this thing we're trying to put together, y'know? -GTBacchus^(talk) 07:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that wasn't clear. Tony just said "Please edit the above in place, alter it freely and add further points.", so I did... —Ashley Y 07:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, and I don't want to discourage your input... you'll notice I've done some more organizing; does it make sense, what's coming together there? -GTBacchus^(talk) 07:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DRV

Thanks for helping to tidy up the Christian DRV. Stephen B Streater 20:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! User:Tony Sidaway reverted it for some reason, though, and I had to copy it back. —Ashley Y 20:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I know your intentions are to help, but please don't do that "sorting" thing anymore. We actually have reasons for not splitting DRV discussions like that. Did you ask Tony why he reverted you? I'll bet he'd tell you. -GTBacchus^(talk) 21:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I had assumed you hadn't been in a revert war over this. Stephen B Streater 21:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Tony is very communicative. Perhaps he didn't want to lose the information about the flow of the argument. Perhaps he's pointing out this isn't a vote. Anyway, I'm sure he'll tell you if you ask. Stephen B Streater 22:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ashley Y, thanks for trying to make the Christian userbox discussion better. I should explain that sorting discussions on Wikipedia is generally thought to be a bad idea, because by segregating opinions it encourages people to just pop in and vote without looking at how the discussion is progressing. The only advantage it has really is that it makes it easier to do some simple counting. I won't revert it again myself but I don't think that attempts to sort debates on Wikipedia tend to prevail. Unless you think it's a really important thing to do (and I could be convinced) it's best not to do so. --Tony Sidaway 22:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone else also reverted it, so I won't do so again. —Ashley Y 03:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming and Redirecting of Reconstructionist Pagan articles

Dear Ashley,

This is what I just put on the Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism page:

This subtle renaming/caps issue is actually a rather large problem. Since 1992 at the latest, "Celtic Reconstructionism" and "Celtic Reconstructionist" have been established as tradition names. This is different from "Celtic reconstructionism", and brings up a lot of the "method and/or tradition" issues we juggled at the beginning of this process. I think it is inappropriate to subltly refocus the article this way, and without any discussion on the talk page. Therefore I am returning this to the name we agreed on. I would also note these changes have just been made to all Reconstructionist traditions over on the Polytheistic Reconstructionism (now Polytheistic reconstructionism) page. Interested editors may want to go look at that, too. --Kathryn NicDhàna 17:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion userbox directory in userspace

Hi Ashley Y, thanks for everything you're doing to help end the userbox wars. I thought I could help by starting a mirror directory of Wikipedia:Userboxes#Gallery. As part of that process, would it be okay with you if I updated User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Religion to show the userboxes listed at User:Ashley Y/Userboxes/Religion? I've already linked to your page in the "See also" section. Regards, Rfrisbie^talk 20:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure, that's fine. —Ashley Y 06:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) Rfrisbie^talk 22:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political userboxes

Hi, I posted a message here, wanting to check in with you before userfying any political userboxes to your space that seem to need userfying. You appear to be the one hosting political boxes, according to the nav template, but I don't know whether you were being choosy about which ones you host. After a few days, it occurred to me that maybe you haven't got that page on your watchlist, so I'm posting here.

The userboxes in question are {{User Australian Democrats}} and {{User Social Democrat}}, which are currently delete protected, but used to look like:

There's also apparently a variation on the second one, {{User Social Democrat (OSV)}}, which was never deleted. Anyway, do you object to having those templates moved to your space, as has been requested here? If you have no objections, I can go ahead and do undeletes, history moves and soft redirects, checking "what links here" for redlinks. It would be up to you whether you want categories to be attached to the boxes or not. -GTBacchus^(talk) 03:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I think I'd rather just stick with the religious ones. The political boxes I have just happen to be ones I use myself. —Ashley Y 02:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad I asked then. Cheers. -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you lend a hand?

I'm trying to help out at Mami Wata, which appears to be a neo-ancient spirit type topic. This is an area where I have a serious POV risk if I get too deeply involved. I see that you have self-declared as a pagan, and I liked what I saw of your participation in the most recent round of the userbox wars, so I feel that you could be a helpful contributor. There is relevant discussion both at Talk:Mami Wata and User talk:BrianSmithson#Mami Wata & Vodou. I'm asking you and two other editors I respect to come lend a hand, hoping that having more participants in, or at least eyes on, the discussion will lead somewhere. GRBerry 03:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cat lovers

Thanks for the spelling correction, you'd think I'd have caught that. Chris 00:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

ps-I wonder if there is a similar userbox?

[edit] Just wondering

Do you know User: Slimvirgin (in real life)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by QuizQuick (talk • contribs) .

Not that I know of. —Ashley Y 23:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calling programmers

We need coders for the WikiProject Disambigation fixer. We need to make a program to make faster and easier the fixing of links. We will be happy if you could check the project. You can Help! --Neo139 08:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ACIM

Hi. You have removed a category tag from the A Course in Miracles article. I am fairly new to editing at WP and have much to learn. Would you mind helping me to learn more by explaining why the category tag was removed? Thanks.—Who123 13:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Referencing

Thanks for reffing my userpage, that tag had been up there for months! I only just noticed :-) Karwynn (talk) 15:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political userboxes

Hi, a question has come up as to whether or not you want your political userbox page to appear at User:GRBerry/German userbox solution. I was hoping to get an answer from you. Thanks! —Mira 06:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably makes sense not to. Far better to have those userboxes included in someone else's collection. I might even remove the page (but not the userboxes), and stick to collecting religious ones. —Ashley Y 07:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for clearing that up. —Mira 08:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox listings

Hi Ashley Y,

See this [2] I was wondering if you want your pages listed on User:GRBerry/German userbox solution and User:MiraLuka/Userboxes/Nav. Regards, Rfrisbie^talk 21:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, so I'm slow on the trigger! ↑ Rfrisbie^talk 21:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, if they're not there already, feel free to add anything to User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes. Rfrisbie^talk 21:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This User Prays...for the old graphic!

Hi, thanks so much for hosting all those userboxes, but I wanted to ask about tonight's change to the art of "This User Prays." I loved the old graphic, and I can't stand the new one! Is there any chance that both could be made available? Thanks.
DanB DanD 05:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I also prefer the old art, but it appears to be a copyright violation. See Image:Praying hands2.jpg. But if it turns out to be OK, I'll restore it. —Ashley Y 06:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, good to know!

DanB DanD 17:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Info on Islamophobic group

Hello,

What follows are the sentiments, expressed in their own words, and in the 'protest signs', of the obscure, very small, but very vocal 'activist group' known as "Protest Warrior".

"What's becoming clear is how the religion of Islam is addicted to war and mayhem. Not a radical minority, not a rogue sect, but its very essence is about submission and sacrifice and proving your worth by worshipping death in this life to gain a paradise of orgies and drunkenness. Their entire history is of warfare, and any accomplishments of their so-called Golden Age has been proven to be merely parasitic off the cultures they've conquered and reduced to dhimmi servitude. That every country under sharia is corrupt, belligerent, desolate and barbaric obviously gives them no pause, except to constantly drive them into further psychotic rage as they refuse to ever accept any responsibility for their conditions. They are akin to the powers in Orwell's 1984; there must always be an enemy. It's no surprise that women are treated like property in these countries as that's the only way Muslim men can feed their egos, to dominate others rather than ever actually produce something."

Kfir Alfia and Alan Lipton, founders of "Protest Warrior"

Their 'protest signs'...

Signs

I thought you might be interested in this group's sentiments. They are currently very actively editing their own article on Wiki and there is a lot of 'group think'. Perhaps you might want to become involved in the editing and discussion process on that page. If you do, please don't vandalize, and try to remain civil. Should you not want to involve youself, please forgive my intrusion.

Protest Warrior

Protest Warrior Discussion

NBGPWS 08:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Agnostic Userbox

Just a heads up, your pictuer for the agnostic userbox seems to have disspeared for some reason. CaveatLector^Talk 21:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It was probably a copyvio or something. —Ashley Y 00:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Input request

Can you take a look at Mama Zogbé and the associated AFD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mama Zogbé. Given the reasons that the AFD nominator chose to AFD nominate instead of letting the prod run (not fully stated in the AFD), I think it would be good to have wider input into this AFD. So far there is only one particpant that has contributed to the AFD that has been uninvolved with the problems in the main article about the religion. This article is a biography of a living pagan religous leader. (I can't tell if the pagan religion is a true survival or a modern invention/pastiche, which isn't all that unusual for outsiders with limited interest.)

Since you have an interest in contemporary paganism, which this is certainly related to, and are on my list of users to request expertise from, I picked you to ask. If there is an appropriate project to request expertise from, please reproduce the first paragraph there. Thanks for participating. GRBerry 13:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Not my branch of paganism, so I don't have any comment. —Ashley Y 21:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Process discussions

Hi there! I just noticed this cat you made... I had been thinking of doing something similar so I kind of like the idea - however they aren't really process discussions. Perhaps we should think of a better name for the grouping? >Radiant< 22:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

What would you call them? I was originally going to call the cat "Wikipedia process debate", but decided to follow the example of Category:Wikipedia userbox discussions. —Ashley Y 22:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess, something like "essays related to IAR" (Category:Ignore All Essays?) but that doesn't sound too good either. Hm, maybe toss it on CFD for renaming and see if somebody suggests anything? >Radiant< 13:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talib 72

Don't change the christian userbox. I designed every single religious userbox and I researched what to put in them, from the background color to the symbols. Christ's blood was not pink it was red. You don't see me changing the muslim userbox to bright kiwi green.

If you're going to "own" this userbox you should probably move it to your own space. See also WP:GUS. —Ashley Y 04:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SNOW

I appreciate your efforts to making the status of WP:SNOW less disputed. However, unfortunately, like the status of IAR, it has been disputed for the better part of a year now. I would like to hear if you have any suggestions on how to resolve the matter that haven't been tried before. Yours, >Radiant< 09:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, gosh, we could follow process and propose it as a guideline. Or would that be too bureaucratic for you? —Ashley Y 19:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hardly. But that has been tried before several times and was shouted down. I'm not being sarcastic here, I'd really like to know if there's some other way of doing this. >Radiant< 20:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably the pro-guideline people should explain why it should be so from a process point of view, i.e. what its provenance is as a guideline, pointing to the appropriate written principles of what makes something a guideline. This will make more headway with the process-heads who object. The anti-guideline people should explain the possibilities for abuse were it to be given the formal stamp of approval as a guideline, so that those issues might be better addressed on the page.

I believe it could be made an officially marked guideline if people work towards consensus. —Ashley Y 05:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, if it matches actual practice, then it follows that is a guideline. There are always some people that say "but I don't like actual practice" but that's not a valid argument. The problem here is that the debate has deadlocked between people who claim this is actual practice, and people who claim that it's not. I suppose either party could point out where it has been used to show how it works in practice. >Radiant< 09:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit-warring is also "actual practice", but we don't have a guideline to endorse that. Of course, you mean approved actual practice. The argument is over that approval, not over the practice. —Ashley Y 19:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Ashley, do you consider it "approved" practice to bypass process when there's genuinely no question of controversy? I'm thinking of what you said here, supporting what I think is a great example of WP:SNOW in action. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

That particular action would likely be approved by everyone. The recently added nutshell statement of WP:PROCESS "Process should be followed except when there is likely no objection" has it right, I think. Other actions might be encouraged by an official "stamp of approval" on WP:SNOW that would not, in fact, carry consensus approval. The degree to which this might be a problem, and how to address that on the potential guideline page, is what should be being discussed if we want a consensus on making it an official guideline. —Ashley Y 20:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought that was precisely what WP:SNOW says - that if an action is likely to be approved by everyone, go for it. Can you please give an example of the kind of "other action" that you worry would be encouraged if SNOW is marked as a guideline? -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Read it again: WP:SNOW is not limited to actions "likely to be approved by everyone" (which is fairly a concrete criterion). You need to discuss the various objections raised to WP:SNOW on that page's talk page. —Ashley Y 21:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess it depends on one's interpretation of "a snowball's chance in hell". It appears you'd rather not have this conversation here though, so I'll go away. I'm sorry if I bothered you. -GTBacchus^(talk) 21:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• Note that I'm not saying that SNOW is practice. I'm saying that iff it's practice, it's already a guideline. I am not as yet convinced whether or not it really is practice. >Radiant< 12:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Perl benchmarks

Here's the problem with removing the "editorializing" in the comparitive performance section of Perl: originally, the link to the shootout was added by someone who had a strong axe to grind against Perl, and was adding any link that he could find to essays, IRC chat logs, and this benchmark to demonstrate what he felt were the failings of Perl. I and others pointed out that the benchmark was flawed, and I even re-wrote one of the benchmark tests so that it was substantially faster. In the end, however, because this particular user was very insistant, we agreed on a compromise. We added a disclaimer and the link to the flawed benchmark. If you remove the disclaimer, you really should remove the link, as it's really not meaningful. -Harmil 15:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Is the benchmark flawed? Say-so isn't enough. Rather than including something which is essentially original research, why not look for a reputable source that indicates the problems benchmarks are prone to? —Ashley Y 20:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 0.999... != 1

All right. From the looks of your page, you have a strong grasp of the english language, and mathematics. As such, you know the difference between a decimal and an integer. As such, you aren't a moron. Since you aren't a moron, the only reason behind your defense of the obviously wrong "0.999... = 1" argument is that you are being a jerk. Stop being a jerk. --ttogreh 23:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My comments on the Kineret on talk

Please note my comments there. There's really no reason that every single place in Israel be under contest. In this case, the International Law doesn't put the sea shore of the lake in Syria NOR does it border with the golan - According to international law line, Israel should control the eastern shore completely. Therefore, in this case international law and Israeli doctrine go together - I think it's enough. Amoruso 07:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) . I appreciate your good faith and everything. Amoruso 07:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Statements

If you were offended by these statements then I apologize. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. —Ashley Y 22:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extended quotation

Re [3]: if you don't like indentation here, can you please come up with some other way to make it clear (hopefully clearer) that this is entire bullet list is an extended quotation? - Jmabel | Talk 17:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I edited your Cascadia userbox

I just changed the link in your Userbox Independent Cascadia per Talk:Cascadia#Disambiguation from Cascadia to Cascadia (independence movement). I realize that I probably should have better asked you first, but since you apparently didn't mind the last change I am quite confident that you will agree with this change, as well. — Sebastian (talk) 08:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)