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[edit] Just a couple of things...
Hi guys! I want to start thanking everyone for correcting my spelling/distraction mistakes. Then, I wanted to bring up a couple of unimportant things:
- Templates: I've seen people changes a valid wlink for a template. For instance (no offense intended) [[Argentina national football team|Argentina]] with {{nft|Argentina}}. Templates facilitate the writing of articles, but should only be considered preferable when they are ought to change (for instance, {{In Wikipedia}}, or some infobox where some data might be added). Templates have to be translated whenever a page is loaded, so it generates extra work to the servers. In short: used them as you please, but there's no need to change perfectly valid code favouring templates. In fact, {{test}} warnings to anon users should be used as {{subst:test}}, that replaces the template tag for the resulting text.
- Vandalism:
- When editing, specially when modifying a number of pages rather mechanically, try to take the time to check for previous vandalism (I know its a lot of work, I don't do it always).
- When revising your watchlist, not only check the last edit to the page, but the ones before until the time of your last loging (I think you all already do that).
- If you detect some vandalism from an anon IP or a registered user, after cleaning it, check its recent contributions for vandalism in ages that are not checked so often.
- Wlinks: Avoid adding underscores to the names of the articles and images ([[Tango_(music)|tango]] or [[image:Salta_04_181.jpg|right|thumb|The inside of Salta's main cathedral]]
Well, this is of course my opinion about this topics, but I thought it would be constructive to share it with you. Comments and other ideas are more than welcome. Mariano(t/c) 13:54, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Alejo Parella & Almanso
I've never heard of neither Alejo Parella nor band Almanso. I suspect some kind of vanity, so I wanted to ask you if you even heard of them. Otherwise, I would mark them as {{afd}}. Mariano(t/c) 12:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- Never heard of them either. The suspicious thing is that the articles have a lot more information than the almanso website itself. I've touched them up a bit; I suggest Googling around a bit and afd if you don't find anything of worth. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 13:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Seams like an unimportant band, but they had a song on a tribute CD to New Order that seams to be real [1]. I would delete it for vanity, but can't say it's absolutely not notorious. Community: A NewOrderOnline Tribute went on AfD and made it through. Mariano(t/c) 10:24, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Location
There's a very interesting red-dot location system in use in Wikipedia, of which I gain knowledge only today. You can see how to implement it at the {{Infobox protected area}} template, as it can be seen used in the Arches National Park article. To use it, we should first create a Argentina locator blanck map (as there is a Image:US Locator Blank.svg). The question that arises is: should we have one single map of the entire country, or two or more zoomed maps. Together with the hiddenStructure CSS class, we could update the {{placebox-map}} and the {{placebox-begin}}. Mariano(t/c) 11:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
- i dont like using CSS for hiding. Templates allow for if-else structures, I found it at Template:Language. I.e. we could use a template:Infobox Place instead of the splitted system. there was a fight about if-else and subtemplates (WP:AUM) but it turned out they are not a big problem for the servers and we can use them. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Example: Here is are two examples of the location for Ushuaia.
  Location of Ushuaia
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I created the Image:Argentina - Situation map - Tierra del Fuego.png, Image:Argentina - Situation map - Santa Cruz.png, Image:Argentina - Situation map - Pampa y NorPatagonia.png and Image:Argentina - Situation map - Noroeste.png, Image:Argentina - Situation map - Mesopotamia y Santa Fe.png, Image:Argentina - Situation map - Chubut.png and Image:Argentina - Situation map - Buenos Aires.png, which I believe cover all the territory. This could be added to the existing template in place of the image (no need to change the template), or in a new template, 'city with locationg dot map'. Comments? Mariano(t/c) 14:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Theese are exellent news. If anyone wants I can upload the CIA map without words if to have a whole-argentina location map, but i think splitted maps are the best. I'm going to start locating. bye. Argentino (Talk cont.) 14:41, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
PS: I noticed that the red dot's coordinates for a place are 5 pixels high and wide smaller than in the less specific circle's coordinate for the same place ( I mean, if Cordoba is in the X=10 and y=23 with the dot, it will be in x=15 and y=27 with the circle)Argentino (Talk cont.) 14:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
OK, so I created the {{Placebox-location}} template, but before we start using it we have to settle a couple of things:
- The red dot is kinda big, do we wont a smaller one? a different one (shape, colour)?
- Are we going to use named parameters? Currently it does, parameters base, x and y, but the other templates of the Placebox familly don't.
- Is the name OK?
- Everyone likes it?
Later maps (perhaps more detailed) can be added later, as far as they all have 251px of width, or with {{Superimpose}} outside the placebox infobox. Mariano(t/c) 10:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
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- All i can say is "i love this". I dont understand very much about templates, but i will do my best, i suppose copying and modifying works?(I did it with all the monobook.js stuff and worked so...). My answers are: 2,3 y 4 : i guess yes. 1: I think shape and colour are OK, but i dont think it is too big (though i dont mind if you change it. -- Argentino 20:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vacations
Just getting here to let you know that I'm taking a Wikivacation starting Monday. I'm taking a couple of weeks off work and off home to visit sunny Mendoza. I'll be back on Friday (January 20). I may check things around here if I can't cope with withdrawal. :) --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 03:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
- If you feel your hands shaking, cold swet and convultions, its just a Wiki-deficiency attack. Enjoy, and take a lot of pictures! Mariano(t/c) 08:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I'm going home!!
I'm going to Argentina next week, and I'll stay for 3 weeks. I'm going to be mostly in Buenos Aires, so if someone is in town, we can gather to discuss wikipedian issues. Any suggestions about pictures? What kind of pictures are we missing from Buenos Aires? I'll try to keep up-date with my watchlist. Mariano(t/c) 09:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- Museo Xul Solar
- Our article describes people sitting out on the sidewalk in Villa Urquiza in the summer; a photo to match that remark would be nice.
- La Esquina Homero Manzi in Boedo
- Maybe one of the synagogues in Villa Crespo or some other sign of Jewish life there?
Jmabel | Talk 01:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- subte stations? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestions! About Homero Manzi, were is it exactly (streets)? Mariano(t/c) 07:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Not in Argentina anymore. Back to work. Mariano(t/c) 14:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dirty War
Given the date, I started to work on this complex topic and was lost in categories. Every article on the Dirty War, the Proceso and their participants has a bunch of these, which I think should point to one Category:Dirty War and sister categories/subcategories. I believe we should draw a nice category tree where we can make our Videlas, Galtieris and Astizes fit without so much wordiness. Also, the general categories of Category:Criminals don't include many suitable subcats. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- I like the idea of a category. Probably Category:Dirty War will be good enough for the time being. No need for Category:Dirty War victims or Category:Dirty War criminals (at least not yet). Mariano(t/c) 14:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Past discussion in Talk:Dirty War and a recent comment mention that "dirty war" is a common term in other places and that "our" article should be called Dirty War (Argentina). Now I'm all for preemptive disambiguation, but I haven't seen anything about the Dirty Wars of other LA countries. Is it presumptuous to guess that most people who look for "Dirty War" are in fact looking for the Argentine one? I'm bringing this up because the objection has been made and, if we have to move all links from one title to the other (tiring!), I don't want to have to do the same with the category too.
I'm cross-posting this to Talk:Dirty War. Please reply there. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] User WikiProject Argentina template
I'm writing you regarding the {{User WikiProject Argentina}} template, that many of us contributors use in our user pages. I believe it to have slowly degradated to something that doesn't represent the common ideo of the users that participate of this project. The last version by Darklegions (talk • contribs) reads:
- "The motto of the WPAR is Firmiter Unum Pro Patria, which translates to, "Firmly united for the Motherland". This motto reflects the desire to dramatically improve the quality and standards of Argentina-related articles on Wikipedia, and is a reference to the Argentine National Defense School."
I have no idea what does the National Defense School, or the Military of Argentina, have to do with the contributions to the Argentine related articles. It was pointed out that {{User uk wikipedian}} has a similar format, but I couldn't care less about it.
The purpose of this project is to contribute to Argentine related in general, and I see any connection with military out of place. You don't even need to be Argentine to participate, as contributor AntonioMartin (talk • contribs), so nationalist reference such as "Firmly united for the Motherland" seams to me out of place. I suggest we re.write the template to a more general profile; I wouln't use it as it is right now, because I don't feel represented by it. Mariano(t/c) 11:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- I don't remember being asked about, or voting for, or even being notified that we had a motto. Right now the template reads like a veritable fascist badge. I'd say we can leave mottos out (rather than wasting time in mottos, why not spend it in making articles?), and concentrate on the simple fact that we want Argentina-related articles to improve, stop. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 16:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Hey, one place is enough for answers =). --OneEuropeanHeart 18:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] América, Buenos Aires
Could someone check this, please? I've been transferring cities and towns in Buenos Aires to Category:Cities in Buenos Aires Province and tagging them with info from the Ministry of Interior (using {{ar-mi-muni}}). Now I don't doubt that this place exists, but the MoE says that the capital and only city in the Rivadavia Partido is Rivadavia itself, population 15,452. What exactly is América? --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 12:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- Check [2]: Información de Contacto: (6237) AMERICA. I don't know what they mean with "Denominación de Categoría › ÚNICA", but it's not the only town in the partido. Mariano(t/c) 13:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Hmmm... There must be a problem somewhere. "Denominación de categoría" is just what the administrative division is called; in Buenos Aires there is just one (all partidos are in the same category), but for example in Santa Fe there are "municipalidades de primera categoría" (pop > 200,000), "municipalidades de segunda categoría" (pop > 10,000) y "comunas". If you go down the page and look for the details on the partido, it gives a list of municipalities, and there's only one (Rivadavia itself). I think maybe the list is not complete or doesn't work well with Buenos Aires. <span class="maniac">There are several other "cities" that I haven't been able to find (for example, Cariló) and places that I think should be called suburbs (e. g. City Bell). My idea is to get the official information of the MoE on every city article, and coordinates too (http://www.maplandia.com/ has geodata on many places, even surprisingly small towns).</span> --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- Is it possible that the name of the municipality doesn't match that of the city? Regarding the second topic,Sometimes cities are under the municipio of another city. I think this is the case with Cariló, that is actually under Pinamar (not sure though). Mariano(t/c) 06:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Articles
Hi guys! I just wanted to tell you all that I'm glad we are having so many new 'not-just-another-lame-stub' articles lately. There are still a lot of topics to cover, specially in History and Geography. I know we already have a ToDo page, but it would be good to have a list of articles roughly ordered by priority, for these two separate topics. I'm afraid I have no atlas with me at the Cul d'mond, so I kindly ask you to take the time to gather that information.
At the same time, you might have read the message about the Wikipedia version 1.0. It will be hard to select the good articles, and those necessary, but we should do that some time soon. I know some of our best contributors are currently either on vacation or changing diapers, so take it easy, we can do it slowly. Mariano(t/c) 10:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- How I could create a argentine military stub signal ? . I created a few new articles (A-4AR,Escuadron Fenix,1984 Argentina and Chile Peace and Friendship Treaty ) that are already non stub, but It would be great if I could work in several simultaneuosly as I have time available Jor70 17:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Hi Jorge! If you think there are enough military related Argentine articles to make a new template, take a look at Template:Argentina-stub to create Template:Argentina-mil-stub following the first one, then include in it the new Category:Argentina military stubs, and the already existing Category:Military stubs. Just bear in mind that there are a lot of users who take their time to delete stub categories that don't have enough articles, so I would recommend you to have at least 30 or 40. BTW: Don't forget that in English, unlike in Spanish, adjectives such as Argentine, Patagonia, Maradonian, etc., are always capitalized. Good wiking, Mariano(t/c) 05:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Doubt
Anyone ever heard of this: *.gay ??? Is it another hoax? Mariano(t/c) 11:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Never. --Argentino 17:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New template
Well, I'm writing this but don't know if I should, maybe this is the wrong place. Anyway. I created the Template:Superimpose-text, wich allows to write over an image, and may be used for usepages, like a way to make background images, dunno, thanks for reading this and excuse me if i'm wasting your time.
[edit] Template:Argentina Squad 2006 World Cup
As suggested by Mxcatania, I will take care of the template Template:Argentina Squad 2006 World Cup. Gadig 20:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] People by origin
Can we just agree to a guideline on "labeling people by origin"? Am I the only one to resent the "Croatian encroachment" we had on Maradona and Luca Prodan? The basis for both claims was speculative; even if proven true, they'd had no relevance because the careers of both men had nothing to do, not even indirectly, to anything Croatian. And I don't want to enter another round of inconveniencing Max, but hey, let's keep the proportions here, and not let some pet ideas of ours run unchecked (mine are included of course, just tell me if and when). elpincha 05:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC) (moved from WP:ARNB by Mariano(t/c) 08:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC))
- I personally believe that such 'origins' should be labeled only when the partens are from that country, or at least when the person closelly identifies with that people (same counts for Jews). Mariano(t/c) 08:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I just noticed this. I think it is only correct to categorise articles by notable facts. Someone's descent is often not a notable fact. I prefer to only include people if they are a) first generation immigrants, b) closely identified by themselves or society as that (any footballer nicknamed El Vasco for instance) or c) where the fact is important to society at large (e.g. where people from unusual backgrounds have achieved high office or status, or represent a notable community even if they themselves don't care - see unsourced comments on Jorge Capitanich). As a fan of categorising, I have probably strayed too far with the Basque category myself, but these are the criteria I'll try and stick to in future. Martín (saying/doing) 23:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
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- This massive expansion of Category:Argentine people by ethnic or national origin is now getting troublesome. There are rarely references to the origin given, and there is confusion over the naming conventions. Only one or two editors are making all the changes, and I doubt that they are so knowledgeable about such a wide range of people - their edits are not restricted to Argentina by any means - and my hunch is that they are going by surnames, which is dangerous.
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- Argentina is a country whose modern history is dominated by immigration. In the English category hierarchy, any such categories are deleted fairly quickly as being irrelevant, POV and hard to source. I have explained above that I think they are relevant in an Argentine context given that many people maintain links and culture and identity from their ancestors. It is a notable fact about a politician, in my view, to be of close Arab ancestry, or of Chilean, given the countries' history. But even that use is subjective and POV on my part, so I am starting to reconsider whether these cats are of use. Martín (saying/doing) 09:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Argentine related articles
Is already a list of ALL of those articles, grouped by theme ? Jor70 16:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Erm, Category:Argentina ? To my understanding, the use of such lists are discouraged in the Wikipedia. Mariano(t/c) 07:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Featured picture
Hmmm, you all know much I love publicizing myself, so: Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Cuevasdelasmanos Mariano(t/c) 11:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Geography of argentina
Guys, there's an über-cool article of Argentine Geography in german at de:Geographie Argentiniens (me babeo). We need somethings like that for the slim English article Geography of Argentina. Of course, machine translation ain't good enough, but it can help a bit translating it... Meine German sucks, über time. Mariano(t/c) 07:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- We can work on this automatic translation from Babelfish (not presentable, but quite understandable). —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 10:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- request for help: Villa Martínez de Hoz add partido. check with Martínez, Buenos Aires abrazos Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- @Marianno. thx for your help. I now added Martínez, Buenos Aires, hope this is right. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Geography II: Partidos, Departaments and cities
I've been meaning to write about this for a while, and this seems a good time to do it... I think many of the "XYZ Partido" articles, especially the ones not yet written, should be merged with the articles about the corresponding cities. I mean, in most cases, a partido only has one city plus many minor towns, villages and other things not clearly distinguished in official sources. Since a partido is technically a municipality, shouldn't we redirect the partido articles to their head cities' articles when there's only one proper "city" in them? The same would be probably a good idea in the case of many provincial departments, especially those that are not very populous or notable — when you go look for data on the head towns, their official websites speak about the departments as a whole. This is why, in my maniac tagging with placeboxes, in many cases I've chosen to leave the department name unwikilinked. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 00:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about this. Big partidos, specially those in Gran Buenos Aires, have a number of important cities or localities inside (Vicente López). Others don't have the same name as its head city (Almirante Brown, La Matanza). Probably Partidos' articles will end up having little more than a list of localities, but I still think its worth keeping them separated from their head city. I would take the Lomas de Zamora Partido and Lomas de Zamora articles as a model, that don't have the same information, including the passage of Villa Fiorito from Lanús to Lomas. Mariano(t/c) 10:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- i would prefer to leave them seperate. It's an easy rule and IMO less confusing. Hopefully in the long run all partidos and departments at least have a small article incl. map and basic data. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 13:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Standard naming scheme
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)s
[edit] Back and sleepy
Hi guys, just a short one to tell you I'm back at work, were hopefully I will get some sleep... BTW, don't spect much from me for say the following 18 years. See ya. Mariano(t/c) 08:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New proposal
Hi to all,
There's an ongoing poll on Template talk:User WikiProject Argentina about our well-known motto issue. As usual, all members of the WikiProject Argentina are invited to participate.
Cheers, —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 02:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Best place to live on Earth?
There's a question at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Best_place_to_live_on_earth about the best place to live given certain criteria, and I've suggested that Argentina should be considered, although it may not quite fit the criteria. For those who want to participate in a slightly less formal discussion than found elsewhere on Wikipedia, please add to my suggestion.-gadfium 03:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mr. K
I've semi-protected the article on our fearless leader... I'm not sure it was the best idea, but at least this should leave us some relief from the vandals. I intend to unprotect it soon. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 23:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 01:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
