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[edit] RE:AFD Alert

Really puzzling why someone would all of a sudden decide that Hawktree wasn't good enough to have its own article. There are plenty of other articles out there that need to be eliminated. Anyways, I will try to find some notable information on the club and add it to the page - I know one of the golf courses here in Bismarck was recently featured on a brief CNN clip after implementing new technology - I am almost positive it was Hawktree but I can't seem to find any information on it. Thanks for pointing out the situation to us WP:WPND members. Weatherman90 02:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terra Naomi

Okay, I will take another look. You are right, I am very much on the edge here. No label, but in some indie scenes that might not mean much (e.g. Splashdown never quite got a solid deal with a label, and yet... yeah, Splashdown. Wow. Effing Splashdown.) I'll let ya know by tomorrow afternoon.  :) --Jaysweet 04:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Heh, some slightly bad news... I listened to the "Up Here" video on YouTube (well, okay, I only listened to half of it) and I was really unimpressed. (You said you'd never heard of Terra Naomi, so I feel like I can say that and not be a jerk, heh) I know that theoretically shouldn't influence my vote, but, well, it does. Heh... Anyway, I will look again for real tomorrow. --Jaysweet 05:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Terra Naomi is not just famous from youtube.com, she has toured the USA with Tyler Hilton and toured the USA 2 times by herself, she has played many dozens of shows from coast to coast! Terra also toured europe when she was 17, and just recently performed some dates in London, UK at the famous Troubador and Borderline venues.

Terra has released 6 CD's all on her indie label selling many thousands from coast to coast.

terranomi "intro" promo

terranaomi "live and free" promo

Terra Naomi "solo" promo

terranaomi "EP"

terranaomi "8track"

Terra Naomi "virtually"

Terra has also been included on these CD's with various artists:

Interlude Magazine compilation 101 "ghosts of happy endings" 2004

Coffee House Music Female Artists "flesh for bones" release date 2005

Sherrybaby Original motion picture soundtrack "clean" release 2006

Her latest album "virtually" has a song on there "bright sunny day" that was written by Terra and her producer Paul Fox who was a member of the british punk band "the ruts" who scored a British top ten hit in 1979 with "babylons burning"

People from several different countries have built fansites for her as well, Terra is famous WORLDWIDE, check the links here: http://www.terra-naomi.com/links. she has been interviewed by very popular web ezines and publications. She has recieved MANY great reviews.

Terra has been interviewed on national television CNBC

Terra has had her website going for 3 years and about 1000 people from all over the world have joined her message board. http://www.terranaomi.com

Terra is a famous singer/songwriter and people want to know about her. Her inclusion in Wikipedia should remain intact.

Search amazon.com for her and it brings up her terranaomi 2002 CD release. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Dozercon (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Irish

He clearly looks Irish and being Catholic is an indicator of Irish ethnicity. 75.3.50.41 21:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I am responding to your comment here because you do not have a user account or you are not logged in. Normally I would reply are your User talk page. If you are not registered, please do so, it only takes a few seconds.

"Looking Irish" and being Catholic, even the last name, is not definitive evidence. I'd want to see an article of some kind, or even a phone call or e-mail, with him talking about his heritage before I made such an assertion. Verifiability is key. --AlexWCovington (talk) 21:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

To be categorized "African-American" all it requires is for the person to look African-American. 75.3.50.41 21:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the people working on that category would agree; you can take the instance of Chiwetel Ejiofor for example. I welcome your contributions to Senator O'Connell's page, but I do feel that a source is needed for the Irish American categorization; once you get into 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants there's an identity factor. There are plenty of people in North Dakota of Norwegian descent that don't consider themselves Norwegian. --AlexWCovington (talk) 21:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hawktree Golf Club

I voted Keep, I'm sure whoever put the article for deletion probably did that because the article is very short. I'm going to expand the article when I have time.--grejlen - talk 23:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we can just about kiss our golf course articles goodbye. I'm still baffled by the notion that some people have that something like a golf course shouldn't have an article on Wikipedia just because it isn't "notable" enough or the article isn't long enough. Who ever said these articles were anything more than stubs? We have intended to expand them in the future, right? There are thousands of stubs on Wikipedia, why are these stubs so different? As far as being "notable", that seems like a very subjective and tricky thing to gauge, but some people seem to think they are the judge of whether or not something is or isn't notable. This all just really irriates me. One a side note, an article that I recently made the other night about the Grand Cities Mall is up for deletion. I've had my fill of AfD lately! --MatthewUND^(talk) 08:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to thank you for your recent work on the Grand Cities Mall article, Alex. I'm thinking the AfD is going to fail. --MatthewUND^(talk) 06:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

More thanks for the research you did on the Columbia Mall! I'm not sure what exactly that article you found contained, so maybe I moved that reference to a bad spot. Feel free to place it where you feel is the most logical location in the text. --MatthewUND^(talk) 01:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North Dakota Golf Courses

Please refrain from removing articles on North Dakota's golf courses until the AFD on Hawktree Golf Club is complete. --AlexWCovington (talk) 06:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I have not removed any articles. What I have done is merged the content of single sentence articles into their locality articles where they sit much better. This is recommended by WP:LOCAL which says:

• Initially, information on places of local importance should be added to an article on the community where that place is located.
• This information should generally be written in sentence form, but where only basic information is available about a group of places in the same community, you might consider presenting this information in list or table format.

The guidelines go on to say:

• As more verifiable information on local places is added to the community article, the article or individual sections will start to get overly large. Since large articles should be written in summary style, the longer sections should be broken out into articles such as "Education in community" "Transportation in community", etc. when this occurs.
• As these articles get overly large as more verifiable information is added to each of these articles, information on individual places should be broken out into individual articles, beginning with places with the most verifiable information on them.

This is the normal way in which articles are developed.

The AfD, that will certainly result in a 'Keep', simply addresses whether the content of the article should be in WP; it does not go to where the content should be located. That is for future editorial consideration. I would urge you to consider accepting that the locality article is the best place. Not only does this meet the Guidelines but it means that the attractions can be read in context. The alternative is a large number of small articles, relating to a locality, which is much more awkward for the reader to navigate. Finally, I should like to compliment you on the ND Project, which is helping to improve WP. I simply ask that you reconsider moving to an organic growth approach, rather than one that creates many stubs that, in truth, are likely to remain so. BlueValour 15:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree that North Dakota's golf courses are purely of local interest; indeed, articles on them are probably of more interest to tourists than to their local users. It is true that they could be longer, but at this time WPND is in a stub-making mode rather than an intensive article-development mode, and I would ask for your understanding.

Please respond on my talk page, as my talk page requests. --AlexWCovington (talk) 15:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)15:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I accept that, which is why I am in favour of redirects being set up for each one so that they can readilly be found by tourists or anyone else. BTW I can assure you that I am not going to go round chasing down your stubs :-) What I am asking is that you discuss your approach within the Project. Having several stub articles relating to one locality simply does not seem the best way to go. BlueValour 15:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

So how do you propose we take care of this problem, Alex? I'm thinking we should make a list of golf courses in the state and then, like you said, we can use that list to expand info on particular courses in the future. I'm not opposed to merging some ND golf course articles with their respective local pages. I think this would probably be rather reasonable for golf courses that really aren't that notable and are located in small towns. Still, I think we should try to keep individual articles for some of the major 18-hole courses. We would just have to decide what qualifies as "major". --MatthewUND^(talk) 17:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Now that Hawktree has survived its AfD, where should we go from here? I think we should start merging some of the smaller articles in with their city articles and expanding those articles which have room for expansion. I don't think this is anything we need to hurry with, but I suppose we can start merging a few articles from time to time. Let me know what you think. --MatthewUND^(talk) 22:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scotiabank

True enough - I removed the reference to Category:Nova Scotia from this article several minutes earlier when I was placing entries into Category:Companies based in Nova Scotia but then thought I might have been too hasty so put it under the latter. I think Branch #1 is still in Halifax but the HQ is in 'Tranna so that is the correct category.Plasma east 12:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yo-

Hiya Alex-

Yes still busy. I fix when I see something obvious, but other than that, I have been lurking for quite some time now. ha!

Opes 17:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Dakota Sqr. Mall

I don't ask permission to nominate things for deletion, and it’s pathetic that you're saving an article on a mall. Get some perspective, dude. DesertSky85451 15:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Ghost Towns

Hi, Sorry, I took the info from this page to populate the categories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ghost_towns_in_the_United_States#North_DakotaLugnuts 19:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I undersand that wikipedians are a different lot, but could someone explain why all the towns listed under North Dakota were reduced to three? Honestly, there wasn't even a listing for ND until I added it, then looked up the towns, many of them I'd been to, in order to generate a list. (the three you left are kind of lame choices, incidentally, and not representitive of the ghost towns in ND.) Are you folks only including TRUE ghost towns, like Bodie, CA, or, as the wiki page on GTs says "The word is sometimes used in a deprecative sense to include areas where the current population is significantly less than it once was." The list I generated was of this type. I would really like an answer as my changes were appropriate under this guideline. 72.24.182.238 16:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)menk

Because the cities other than the three I left aren't deserted and thus aren't ghost towns. Amidon may seem tiny, and it is, but the people who live there aren't ghosts and I won't stand for you to insult them. --AlexWCovington (talk) 20:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Alex. Just because a town is small in population or even has a much smaller population than it once did, I don't think that makes it a "ghost town." That term makes most people (including me) think of a totally empty town with only derelict buildings and with no residents. MatthewUND^(talk) 06:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand that Amidon is small, and inhabited, however, what about a case like Havana, ND. There are numerous (more than fifty) abandoned buildings and structures. Should this be considered something less since it isn't completely ghost? There aren't more than 20 people living there. I'm sorry, I disagree heartily with the assertion that a town must be completely uninhabited. This image that people have of Hollywood-style Brady Bunch ghost towns is ridiculous and far off the mark. As I quoted above, a town may be reffered as a ghost town if the population has seriously declined. I included towns that were not only decimated versions of their former selves, but in several cases were nearly uninhabited. If Fargo went from a population of 150,000 to 15,000, the twon would be nearly a ghost town, which is why I made reference to those specific towns. Your criteria would leave only uninhabited places. Not really a workable definition. 72.24.182.238 19:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)menk

Quickly, How the hell does that insult anyone in Amidon? And further, why should it matter what it makes "you" think of? I don't care if you think of the Hollywood-style western ghost town, that is meaningless. What matters is the definition you are obviously using to remove these choices.

I'm not trying to sound like a troll, I just want to have someone clarify their position with something other than these "I think" evaluations. 72.24.182.238 19:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)menk

Just to jump in here one more time, you might want to examine an example like Cripple Creek, CO. I have been to Cripple Creek numerous times (gambling at the Brass Ass was a good time) and I can assure you the people there are also, as was so helpfully pointed out, not ghosts. Does this insult the more than 1,000 residents to include them in this compilation? And if it is not an insult, maybe you can explain why they are included if your definition only includes completely abandoned towns. 72.24.182.238 06:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)Menk

I'm not going to argue this with an individual without a user account. Further modifications to the North Dakota section without the support of WikiProject North Dakota will be reported as vandalism. --AlexWCovington (talk) 03:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I do have an account so maybe you can answer my questions. Menkatopia 04:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC) Menk

Could you address inclusion of inhabited towns in other parts of this list? Like Cripple Creek, or Utopia, OH? I appreciate you responding to my post.

Menkatopia

[edit] Category:Aboriginal universities and colleges

Great! I only created the category a few minutes ago and already you're adding articles. -- TheMightyQuill 08:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar for WikiProject North Dakota efforts

I hereby bestow this award on Alexwcovington for his efforts at making WikiProject North Dakota a reality and for his long-term commitment to all things North Dakota on Wikipedia. --MatthewUND^(talk) 09:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North Dakota AFDs

I fail to see the point in you going through this entire set of business again. With the amount of work you did nominating all the golf club articles you could have easily performed the redirects that both of us apparently wanted.

A simple polite reminder would have been sufficient in this matter, and I'm sure you've seen that we've been working on the issue from time to time. AFD is not a place to go just to make a point. --AlexWCovington (talk) 06:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Eh?? I haven't put these forward for AfDs!! I have defended these in someone else's AfD's by suggesting that they are merges. BlueValour 12:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism to North Dakota Democratic-NPL Party articles

As you have seen, the vandalism has increased in staggering numbers today to articles dealing with the ND Dem party. 45 instances from this IP, and 73 instances from this IP. I listed the party page itself, and Dorgan's article for page protection. If it persists, I will list the other articles that are constantly being vandalized. Hopefully this will subside as the election drifts further into the past. Weatherman90 23:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)