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[modifica] Wikizine n. 19

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• Community
  • [WP] Fourteen new wikipedias have been created: Dutch Low Sakson, West Flamish, Ligurian, Kalmyk, Tetum, Papiamentu, Romany, Samogitian, Ripuarian, Pennsylvania German, Franco-Provençal/Arpitan, Cantonese, Banyumasan, and Norman. The new Pennsylvania German Wikipedia has reached 26 articles. According to Mark Williamson, the new Cantonese is very active in its first two days. m:Approved_requests_for_new_languages#Recently_created_wikis, [1], [2]
• (Very) old technical news
  • [Account creation] the number of new accounts that can be created from a specific IP address is limited to 6 every 24 hours. This is an anti-vandalism function. It can cause problems for serious users on larger Wikis. The message that users see when they hit the limit: en:MediaWiki:Acct_creation_throttle_hit
  • [PDA editions] In addition to the TomeRaider copies of Wikipedia (last available dump : January 2006), there are a number of commercial software packages available for viewing Wikipedia on your PDA. The most recent commercial tool is Quickipedia. [3], en:Wikipedia:TomeRaider_database, [4]
• Request for help
  • [Slogans] An attempt is made to create a list of all project slogans and logos in all languages (such as "the free encyclopedia"). m:Slogans
  • [Meta clean-up] A proposal to rearrange meta and make it more useful: m:Meta:MetaProject_to_Overhaul_Meta
• New project proposals
  • [Wikikernel] A proposal for a project incubator for new Wikimedia project proposals m:Wikikernel, m:New_project_proposals_group
• Politics
  • [Steward] - A steward temporarily loses stewardship. [5]
• Media
  • [Britannica Vs. Nature] In December 2005 the famous journal "Nature" published a news article comparing the science content of Encyclopedia Britannica with that of the English Wikipedia. The message of the article was that both Britannica and Wikipedia contain errors, that there are more errors in Wikipedia then in Britannica, but that nevertheless Wikipedia is not so much more innacurate than Britannica. Britannica has finally responded to the article. They find that the way Nature conducted their inquiry was unfair, and that the results are invalid. Nature disagrees with Britannica's POV and stands by their article. This does not directly affect Wikipedia; it is Nature that claimed that Wikipedia is almost as good as Britannica, not the Wikimedia Foundation. the original Nature article, from December 2005, Britannica's response, Nature's reply to the response, A news.com article about the matter, A podcast with a Britannica representative, more related content on Meta
• Stats
  • [Commons] now has over 500,000 files.
  • [80.000 persons alive] the EN Wikipedia has biographical articles on over 80,000 living people. en:Category:Living_people
• Other news
  • [Book] Chinese wikipedian KaurJmeb published his first book about Wikipedia - Wikipedia: Forefront of knowledge sharing (維基百科 : 知 識分享最前線) ISBN 9867075064, A page about it on the new Chinese Wiknews, The author's userpage, The book on eslite books
• Last weeks feedback
  • The reason that non-sysops get an inactive "block" link in Meta's RC is: it is included in the summary for the user creation log. This can be changed by removing the $4 value from MediaWiki:Newuserloglog. If you do that there will be no "block" link for that user in the logfile of new created accounts.
  • Not only on EN Wikipedia but also on EN Wikinews can blocked users can still edit their own talk page. meta:User:Eloquence knows how to enable this function.
• Did you know ...
  • ... that you can do free positive promotion for Wikipedia? A lot of websites give away free stuff or let you register to make a change to win tickets for something. That is nice but you need first to have something before you can give it away. Google Gmail invites. After 2 years, there are still many people who would like to have an account but do not know how to get one. You can give these away with the greetings of your language Wikipedia or sister project.
    1. make a "WikipediaXX@gmail.com account
    2. make additional accounts like wikipediaXX01@, wikipediaXX02@, etc. for harvesting invites
    3. put in the external links section of your gmail signature a mailto:link . "If you would like to receive free invite Wikipedia can give you one. Send an empty mail to wikipediaXX@gmail.com"
    4. give invites to you visitors with the greetings of your project. If you are low on invites request that they send you one back.
  • This way you can give a freebie, and your visitors get a positive association with Wikipedia. The Dutch Wikipedia has been providing this service since the Summer of 2004, and has sent many hundreds of invites in that time. If you need a invite yourself, contact Wikizine.
• Quote
  • "A large portion of wikipedia is pornographic" - unidentified Britannica representative, via podcast. Source: [6]

[modifica] Wikizine n. 19 - E X T R A (chiusura FR.WIKIQUOTE)

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[modifica] The WMF is closing the French Wikiquote

The French language Wikiquote is closed by the foundation.

This notice is placed on the main page of the locked wiki;

<quote> After analyzing the data contained in the fr.wikiquote site, the Wikimedia Foundation has determined that the material stored in the fr.wikiquote database does not provide the basic assurance of legal soundness necessary to the permanence of the project. Therefore, the site will be entirely taken down to be erased and relaunched. A policy requiring greater traceability of quotations will be put in place on fr.wikiquote version II. This action has been taken for the benefit of all Wikimedia Foundation projects. </quote>

http://fr.wikiquote.org

The new FR Wikiquote is announced to re-open for editing on 1 April with a new empty database.

The origin of the this dates back to August 2005. Wikimédia France received a letter from a company maintaining a quote database. They claim Wikiquote extracted a substantial part of their database.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closure_of_French_Wikiquote

The closing now of FR Wikiquote seems to be the end result of this.

On Meta a FAQ about this is posted;

• What was wrong with the French Wikiquote?
  • Some contributor had apparently inserted material from copyrighted databases and other sources.

• What was the extent of the problem?
  • It was sufficient to render the majority of the French Wikiquote database suspect, which is why it was deemed necessary to delete it.

• Was this a legal settlement?
  • Yes, we reached an agreement with an outside party, and we are quite satisfied with the outcome.

• Can you tell us who the settlement was with, what the terms were, etc.?
  • What we are doing now is fulfilling the terms. Not every precise detail should be or needs to be disclosed, in order to protect future relationships and negotiation strategies, but the terms that matter are reflected in the official announcement. The project should not incur any legal liability as a result.

• What about the French Wikiquote community?
  • There isn't really a substantial community there. Activity significantly declined after this problem was discovered. Affected contributors have already been notified.

• Couldn't you have tried to salvage something?
  • It would have required extensive work by the community to identify and remove the problems, much like the German Wikipedia recently did in a similar situation, but on a significantly larger scale this time. Since there isn't much of a community, the resources to do this don't exist. That's why we agreed to start it over.

• Are there problems on other Wikiquotes?
  • It's possible, and those communities should let us know if they have any suspicions so that the problems can be addressed without involving outside parties. They should also look at adopting policies similar to the French Wikiquote's new citation policy.

• Will this sort of thing happen again? Is my project in danger of being deleted?
  • No, not at all. Certainly not if you have an active community that is willing to respect copyright and is capable of responding to problems. Obviously if you're involved enough to be concerned about the welfare of your project, then there should be sufficient community oversight to ensure that problems like this do not arise, or are dealt with long before they reach this stage.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications_subcommittees/Press/2006/03/28_fr.Wikiquote_brief

There has not yet been a official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation about this to the community beside the service announcement on fr.wikiquote

Cioè se ho capito bene qualche utente di fr.wikiquote ha copiato materiale protetto da copyright e la WMF è stata costretta a chiudere tutto per cancellare? --Jacopo (msg) 11:07, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

sì, si è trattato di un quantitativo rilevante di informazioni copiate. Questo ha richiesto di raggiungere una transazione coi detentori dei diritti, senza poter ulteriormente sfruttare il materiale "illecito" e dovendo quindi ripartire daccapo. La vicenda segnala la gravissima drammaticità del problema dei diritti. Abbiamo discussioni in corso (vedi sopra) su come rendere più funzionali e più efficaci gli strumenti per il contrasto alle violazioni, e l'attuale tendenza - credo di poter riassumere - è per la semplificazione delle procedure al fine di rendere più agevole per tutti contribuire al controllo. Ovviamente invito tutti a dare una mano anche per questa attività :-) - Sn.txt 11:51, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Meditate genti.... meditate ^_^... per le immagini potremmo fare la stessa fine ^_-. Pessima categoria gli avvocati -_-.--Ş€ņpãİ-26 - おたく scrivimi 13:14, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

non sono andata a controllare i collegamenti alla 'quote fr, ma (verosimile che io non abbia compreso in pieno il problema), se si tratta di citare delle citazioni,(e non di quotare della quotazioni) credo non vi sia altra alternativa possibile che la citazione testuale, x quanto possibile: se tizio in tale occasione disse "ah", non posso far altro che scrivere tizio disse "ah". se dicessi "a-ha" ne svilirei il contenuto e la stessa sua esistenza di citazione. rispiegatemi ciò che non ho compreso e perdonate le ripetizioni... --jo 15:43, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

X Senpai: per le immagini, anche nella peggiore delle ipotesi, non dovremmo fare la stessa fine =cancellare tutto il database e ricominciare da capo. Si cancellerebbero solo le immagini. Oltretutto le immagini, quando cancellate, vengono eliminate fisicamente dal database e nemmeno gli amministratori le possono recuperare. I testi, invece, anche se non visibili in cronologia sono sempre presenti nel database (e gli amministratori possono vederli). ary29 16:29, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Anche gli utenti, credo, se si scaricano il dump da 600 MB. paulatz(+) 16:52, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

IHMO è un Pesce d'aprile anticipato... Potrebbe anche essere, effettivamente --Leoman3000(Edits)(non sono un utente problematico...) 16:54, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Si ary29 ^_^ infatti la mia era una battuta ^_- (pensavo si capisse dalle varie faccine imbecilli). Ad ogni modo, esiste anche il copyright (in un certo modo) sulle citazioni. Vi porto ad esempio il caso delle leggi. Le leggi, le sentenze e quant'altro, non sono soggette a copyright, in virtà dell'articolo 5 della legge sul copyright, lo sono però l'impaginazione, il modo in cui il testo è riportato etc... allo stesso modo le citazioni possono essere oggetto di copyright perchè può variare:

1. 1. la porzione di testo citata;
   2. il modo in cui si cita;
   3. l'impaginazione;
   4. lapunteggiatura and co. (virgolette, due punti, corsivo etc... usato per evidenziare la citazione)

Spero di aver fatto un minimo di chiarezza.--Ş€ņpãİ-26 - おたく scrivimi 17:03, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Così su due piedi mi viene da dire: tantissimi complimenti alla WMF per il bel pesce d'aprile di domani... accuratamente preparato e di grande portata ^____^. La coincidenza della data... la mancanza del sito da cui sono state tratte le violazioni... il fatto che il database non sia stato ancora cancellato integralmente, ma solo bloccato in modifica... Insomma... ci sono grossi dubbi...

Dubbi che rimangono anche sul wikibar italiano... ;) Amon(☎telefono-casa...) 19:54, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Cioè, se copio una citazione da wikiquote non è violazione di copyright, se copio una pagina di wikiquote che contiene un elenco organizzato di citazioni commetto copyvio (ovviamente lo so che il materiale su wikiquote è in GFDL e si può copiare rispettando la licenza, ma era per fare un esempio che possa capirte anch'io)? Cruccone (msg) 20:20, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Io sapevo che i database di per se stessi sono coperti da copyright, e per database intendo tutte le procedure, lo schema attraverso cui è organizzato ecc.. ma se il contenuto del database è di pubblico dominio, non ci dovrebbe essere violazione, se tale contenuto è stato estratto lecitamente e poi inserito in un database diverso, come può essere considerata wikiquote. Per cui propendo anch'io per il pesce d'aprile ;) --Twilight 20:34, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Sorry sorry, non mi pare un pesce d'aprile, anche perché se ne parlava da tempo... Gatto Nero - (ho bisogno di una vacanza...) 20:31, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

)-: ero convinto anch'io che fosse un pesce... la cosa mi sembra grave, ma... molto oscura (non ho compreso proprio il problema...) --piero tasso 20:50, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Non credo lo sia.... ragguagli legali credo di avervene dati... se poi avete dubbi specifici chiedete, nei limiti vi rispondo.--Ş€ņpãİ-26 - おたく scrivimi 21:24, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

Vi assicuro che non è un pesce d'aprile. La cosa è stata discussa da tempo ed il primo aprile per la chiusura è solo una coincidenza. Purtroppo alcuni dettagli sono mantenuti nascosti in seguito agli accordi legali presi. --Sbìsolo 23:29, 30 mar 2006 (CEST)

[modifica] Wikizine n. 20

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• Technical news
  • [CVS] The Concurrent Versions System of SourceForge's developer CVS has been down. Because of this Brion has setup his own CVS for MediaWiki. This is CVS system is a system for working on software with several people like the wiki is for working on texts with many people. [7], [8]
  • [Midi] files uploaded to the wiki should now be better handled by internet explorer [9]
• Request for help
  • [Wikimania] The deadline for submitting proposals to the Wikimania 2006 conference has been extended, to April 15 for workshop and tutorial submissions, and April 30 for presentation submissions. [10], [11]
• Politics
  • [Proposal] A proposal to close the September 11 Wiki has been made. m:Proposals_for_new_projects#Closure_of_September_11_Wiki
• Foundation
  • [fr.wikiquote] The Foundation closed the French language Wikiquote because of legal reasons. Despite first enjoined the French Wikiquote will be reopened unless there are people interested in working on it. For once the exernal media seem not to regard this as news. [12], [13]
  • [Chapter] dutch Wikimedia chapters founded. Special in this case is that there are created two dutch Wikimedia organizations by the same people, on the same day but with two different legal entity's. [14]
• Community
  • [Wikisource] started with one wiki for all. But more and more languages migrate to there own wiki. cs.wikisource, ml.wikisource, sk.wikisource are created. cs and sk imported pages from the mother-sourceswiki.
  • [9/11] one of the least know Wikimedia wikis, the "In Memoriam" about the victims of the 9/11-attack is now under procedure for closing. [15], m:Proposals_for_closing_projects#Closure_of_September_11_Wiki
  • [Meta] the project "to Overhaul Meta" (= To make extensive renovations or revisions on; renovate) has put the more obscure Meta-wiki in the spot light. Extensive discussion on the mailing lists about it. On Meta it seems to result in a massive categorisation action and deletion of pages. m:Meta:MetaProject_to_Overhaul_Meta, [16], [17], m:Meta:Babel#The_Meta_.22community.22.3F,[18]
• Media
  • [CBS] online video report about "Britannica Vs. Wikipedia" [19]
  • [Censure] Pakistan temporarily blocked Wikipedia [20]
• Stats
  • [featured article] the English Wikipedia provides the service that you can receive by email the first part of there featured article of the day, anniversaries and a quote. That mailing list has now over 10,000 subscribers. [21], example
• Other news
  • [CC] Creative Commons, a not-for-profit organization, adds Jimmy Wales to its Board of Directors. [22], en:Creative_Commons
• Editorial remark
  • Some readers did not believe that the report in "Wikizine number 19 extra" was true and that it was a early April Fool's Day joke. Wikizine.org will never ever knowingly reports lies, whatever the date may be, so long it is under the control of its current Editor-in-chief meta:user:Walter
• Did you know ...
  • ... that if you use FireFox or Internet Explorer you can add the Google Toolbar to your browser? That toolbar of Google is very usefull for your wiki-work because it contains a spellcheck function that works very good (if your language is supported). - For FireFox, - For Internet Explorer
• Quote
  • "We strive for three things: objectivity, factually correct information, and understandable information. It's clearly evident others are not achieving it." Jorge Cauz, president of Encyclopedia Britannica

Frieda (dillo a Ubi) 15:43, 3 apr 2006 (CEST)

[modifica] Wikizine n.25

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Interessante la storia Admin per 5000 dollari... --Elitre ^{(discussioni)} 13:05, 15 mag 2006 (CEST)

piu' che interessante direi allucinante uno che offre soldi per diventare admin sarebbe per definizione inadatto al ruolo.--ConteZer0 13:15, 25 mag 2006 (CEST)

Non ho mica capito la storia del link alla nuova sezione... Cmq complimenti al traduttore! Amon(☎ telefono-casa...) 23:15, 2 giu 2006 (CEST)

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