Talk:Zhe (Cyrillic)

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Contents 1 kids, frogs and toads 2 Macedonian is Greek 3 What's with the frog picture? 4 Could this be related to Latin Ex or Greek chi?

[edit] kids, frogs and toads

Moving the following here from the main page

Zhe is one of the first letters learned by children who learn to write in Slavic languages other than Russian, because it looks quite like a young frog floating in a pond, and in these languages the word meaning "frog" is written "жаба".

as this sounds suspiciously like an original research to me. My 2-year old girl indeed associates Ж with the word "жаба", but жаба in Russian (her and my mother-tongue) is a toad, not a frog. What are the other Slavic languages referred to in which it's actually a frog? BACbKA 18:46, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What is a frog in Russian? In Ukrainian, I believe it means either, although I would say ропуха if I meant a toad specifically. The passage is not particularly encyclopedic, but I find that little bits like this can add interest and personality to an article. Why not omit the "other than Russian" reference, and change the ending to '... and жаба means "frog" or "toad"'? —Michael Z. 21:19, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)

In Russian, a frog is лягушка, while a toad is жаба. Thanks for your clarifications! BACbKA 22:15, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Same in Polish 'żaba' means frog, 'ropucha' -> toad; in Bulgarian 'жаба' also means frog, intestingly enough, the word entered Yiddish as such 'זשאַבע' (frog), there's quite a list here [1]. PS - mazal-tov BACbKA! Oyd11 15:13, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonian is Greek

Macedonian is a dialect of Greek the 8th letter of which is theta in modern Greek and hta in numerals. It is not written in Cyrillic. Please do not alter my correction.--AtaturkthePuff 20:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Zhe is a letter in the language described by the article entitled Macedonian language. If you believe that that article is misnamed, then I suggest you go through the procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves to move it to another name, then update the link here. If there are political issues surrounding ownership of the name Macedonian, they should be resolved before affecting this article. —Michael Z. 2005-10-4 12:54 Z

[edit] What's with the frog picture?

Ok, it's got some humor value, but should it really stay? Twilight Realm 03:58, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I could see a page from a children's alphabet book (which would have a good chance of featuring a frog) being a good replacement. Until then, why not leave it? —Michael Z. 2005-10-11 05:22 Z

It doesn't really have anything to do with the character. It's not really something an encyclopedia would normally have. But it does add interest, that's not a bad thing. I'm undecided. Twilight Realm 01:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

It looks like the frog is on top of a tortilla. BirdValiant 01:55, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Frog taco, traditional Slavic treat. —Michael Z. 2006-02-13 06:50 Z

Well, that certainly makes for a crunchy taco. AEuSoes1 08:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the little frog once because I had misread the article. Since there is a mention to frogs in the article – and note that the mention is not misplaced — there a good reason to KEEP the frog. José San Martin 02:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Still, is a trifle odd, if not rather cute. --DanielCD 14:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

So glad to see the frog back!

[edit] Could this be related to Latin Ex or Greek chi?

It looks vaguely similar and it wouldn't be impossible to have ks>gz>z>zh, but chi seems less likely...Cameron Nedland 02:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Well apparantly no one is sure. I'd rather not include unsourced speculations. What with our no original research policy. Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 04:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah true. No Original Research. Stupid policies. Just kidding.Cameron Nedland 05:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)