Template talk:US-airport

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Contents 1 Usage 2 Example 3 See also 4 Discussion 5 possible addition

[edit] Usage

To use this template on an airport page, simply add the following under the "External links" section of the airport:

{{US-airport|XXX}}

Substitute XXX with the 3-letter IATA airport code.

Note that some of the resources used in this template assumes that you can prepend "K" to the IATA code to derive the 4-letter ICAO code. While this works for most airports in the continental United States, is not appropriate for airports which do not follow that rule (Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico and some rural airports) or do not have an ICAO code.

[edit] Example

• Resources for this airport:
  • AirNav airport information for KJFK
  • ASN Accident history for KJFK
  • FlightAware airport information and live flight tracker
  • NOAA/NWS current and historical weather observations
  • SkyVector aeronautical chart for KJFK
  • FAA current JFK delay information

[edit] See also

Template:US-airport-ga

• Use this for general aviation airports. It currently has the same links as above, but without the "FAA Delays" link that only works for airports with scheduled flights.

Template:US-airport-mil

• Use this for U.S. military airports. At this time it contains the same links as Template:US-airport-ga, but that is subject to change.

Template:US-airport2

• Use this for airports where you cannot obtain the ICAO code by prepending a "K" to the IATA code (such as those in Alaska and Hawaii). It displays the same links as Template:US-airport, but allows you to supply both the IATA and ICAO airport codes.

Template:US-airport-minor

• Use this for airports that do not have an ICAO code which generally includes minor general aviation airports.

[edit] Discussion

Sorry to be making bold (and worrysome) moves for such a new editor. I have added a link to my service (rsvpair.com) in this template, because I felt it would be helpful for readers to know what planes are available for air charter: As far as I know, we provide a unique service, the only resource that makes this data available - which we and the operators themselves maintain on the site. It was not intended as link spam, and certainly not meant as an aggressive move.

As my partner has mentioned on another page ( Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rsvpair ) we want these steps to be the first in a long future of working together with wikipedia - sharing the unique data we collect and maintain, both directly in wikipedia, and as links to available external (and changing) content. What do you think - how should I proceed? Rsvpair 18:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

At first blush, I think the link is a useful addition. Unless someone can suggest a better source for similar information, the link should stand. Demi ^T/_C 21:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced by the usefulness of the info - it just seems like commercial linkspam to me. Physchim62 (talk) 23:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, this doesn't tell me a whole lot. You don't think a link to a directory of charter services is useful? Or you don't think this directory is useful? Demi ^T/_C 10:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, there are 5-10k charter operators in the world operating countless private aircraft. The regular location of an aircraft available for charter is moot because they are so transient and clearly mobile. The FAA and ICAO offer a list of licensed/registered charter & air taxi operators. This is a commercial attempt at creating a advertising index with free and commercial listings that is otherwise plagued with advertisements. Any airport information included on any page is a weak replication of the Airnav.com link, which already exists and is much more in-depth. Additionally, seeing as this is a template change with hundreds of pages using it, it's notable that lots of airport pages have no charter content on the destination page except for replicated content and advertisements. For example, Adirondack_Regional_Airport and Oxnard_Airport. In the case of a major airport like LaGuardia_Airport, where people are most likely to be looking, the site has one link to a charter aircraft that you can wade to at the very bottom of a page that has a 9:1 advertisement:charter link ratio. I became aware of this link spamming when I saw the AFD and am surprised that anyone has fallen victim to this attempt to capitalize on WP's userbase. I don't think re-inclusion after multiple reverts on the basis of insufficient argument against it is appropriate; lack of justification for inclusion is a more valuable metric. Dbchip 22:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm certainly open to the idea that it doesn't belong, but I'd like to frame the distinction between it and the links that are currently there. On what basis do we include some of these and not others? Wikipedia isn't a how-to, not even a how-to fly into a given airport. I don't think any of these links are "necessary." So what distinguishes rsvpair.com from flightaware.com? Or AirNav.com? FlightAware is ad-supported. A large section of airnav.com is given over to a mapquest-style directory of local businesses--the kind of directory we routinely remove for city articles. Are the three ad blocks on rsvpair.com too many? If so, what's kosher? One?

My second question, you say "The FAA and ICAO offer a list of licensed/registered charter & air taxi operators." Can we somehow link to that list instead? Similarly, are there more free sources of information for what airnav.com or flightaware.com provide? Demi ^T/_C 23:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] possible addition

I came accross this website in a search for crash info for airports. This website lists details of all accidents/crashes at an airport; it will work with the current template, as the website uses the three letter airport code

as an example:

Midway Airport or "MDW" is http://aviation-safety.net/database/airport/airport.php?id=MDW

this works with nearly any airport, though not minor ones.

It just seemed that this info maybe useful to people checking out an airport.

Just let me know what you think.

--MJHankel 10:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I know there has been much link spam recently, and I just would like to be clear that, I am not affiliated with this link in anyway.

I am not trying to force anything on anybody and if you feel that this link should not be in this template just tell me and remove it. I found it very useful though as it provides history and details about accidents at airports, including plane types, operator, cause, and description, some even have pictures. Seeing as how this is an encyclopedia, this info seems useful, though if not, please know I mean no contempt. I am perfectly fine either way. --MJHankel 01:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

How about linking directly to the NTSB/FAA incident database, which is where aviation-safety.net appears to be getting their information from? -- Bovineone 01:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)