Talk:Upturned collar
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I don't want to get into a whole big thing about this, but 65.28.2.172's discussion of the contemporary status of the upturned collar is highly biased against the trend. Phrases such as: "in a recurring attempt to emulate what middle class hypermaterialism forwards as 'looking rich'", aside from being jargon-laden and thus poor writing for this forum, are also heavy with value-judgments. To just drop the phrase "middle class hypermaterialism" as if it were a commonly-used and well-understood term goes against all efforts to establish greater understanding of this trend, and rather obscures the historical and cultural context. Also, use of this phrase demands justification, and the article on popped collars is not the place to discuss how economic class, popular culture, and consumer buying patterns are interrelated. That's why wikipedia has links. Let's get a better version of this article going, one without jargon and value-judgments.
"Today, even popular mass-produced clothiers such as Abercrombie & Fitch and Polo Ralph Lauren court the upturned collar as a fashion for the masses." Where should one even start? The tone of this sentence is clearly meant to denigrate the popped collar. And even though I may agree with this sentiment personally, wikipedia articles are not the place to be taking positions on pop-culture trends. Using the word "even", calling those clothiers "mass-produced" (which, although true, is certainly not their defining characteristic - very little clothing is tailor-made today), and "for the masses" all serve to cast aspersion on anyone popping their collar. Let's avoid that kind of tone here, and aspire to something more informative and less incendiary.
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- Unsigned contributor, I agree with much of your sentiment, and accordingly I have modified your changes to be better integrated into the article and to fit with with Wikipedia's standards. Thanks! 65.28.2.172 15:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Picture?
This is talking about a visual thing... why not include a picture?
Done and done. =) 65.28.2.172 19:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
anyone else think that yank looks like a poor excuse for a ned?
[edit] Three 6 Mafia
I think that the anon user who removed the reference to the Three 6 Mafia song Poppin' My Collar is right - it isn't referring to the upturned collar at all. It seems that the slang "popping my collar" can also refer to "hustling," too, as if an upturned collar gives one confidence. Anyway, it seems clear from watching the song's music video that it has nothing to do with the upturned collar, unlike the Usher song mentioned earlier (which seemingly popularized the slang "popped collar"). So, I say we keep it out of this article. 65.28.2.172 13:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
i think once again someone has read to far into this. in britain people just wear polo shirts etc. with up turned collars. its not really a fashion statement at all
[edit] Australia
It should be noted that the collar-up trend is(sadly) very prominant here in Australia, especially for young men at night clubs. I would have worked it into the article myself, but I wasn't sure where to pop it in. :\
[edit] possible copyright infringement?
The section Upturned_collar#Guide_to_Popping_your_Collar reads like it was taken from some other source as a whole, the style reminds of some sort of lifestyle magazine: the author of that section uses personal speech to address the reader and recaps lots of facts from other sections. Especially the sentence:
"Yes, Anders, but I've never popped before. I'm unsure how to do it, or even if I can pull it off." Let me assuage your fears.
appears fishy to me. The original author seems to be some guy called "Anders". However, I didn't find anything using google. Then again not all sources are available in the net and even google doesn't find everything. regards, IOOI 17:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- That whole section essentially mocked the article, included no wikilinks, and was written in a style improper for Wikipedia. It was vandalism. I have removed it. If it fits the guidelines for wikisource, perhaps the person who added it could put it there and link it to this article. 64.219.131.243 17:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Blanking is also considered vandalism -- Nigel (Talk) 17:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- not if the entire section that was "blanked" was vandalism to begin with.64.219.131.243 19:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- To pick a nit, full-article blanking is vandalism, and section blanking is only sometimes vandalism. The anti-vandal bots and tools tend to get false-positives on section-blanking. — Saxifrage ✎ 20:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Blanking is also considered vandalism -- Nigel (Talk) 17:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a definate bias towards 'poppin yo collar' in this article.
