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6 November, 2006

[edit] Interesting Article

Muhammad, have a look at this [1]. It is written by another scholar of Islam who respects(and even loves) Muhammad so much (like Watt) but explains why these Islamic scholars don't convert to Islam. --Aminz 10:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Link

First of all, thanks for your reply. The reason I didn't get back to you was that I didn't quite understood the connection between your comment and the article :P

About Isra, I dunno. I have heard it was physical. Was it a dream??? --Aminz 09:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, What is the story of "GECKO"? Bukhari Book 026, Number 5560? Do you know about that? --Aminz 09:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/026.smt.html Sahih Muslim. Sorry--Aminz 09:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, will get back soon. I was reported again for 3rr violation. let me see what Opiner is saying. --Aminz 10:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad, thanks for the link. Quite useful. Regarding your comment on the link, do you think that Hayath Khan's concern was legitimate or not :P --Aminz 10:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know Watt died on 24 october around 20 days ago? --Aminz 10:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree with you.

Would it be cool to add a section on the simplicity of Muhammad's life-style? --Aminz 11:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• I was reading comments about Isra that was physical or was a dream, well I think a physical journey violate the phyical world laws, which God made himself, why God needs to make rules and then break them. It does not make any sence and also in Hadith it was mentioned that when the Isra ended the Holy Prophet was on his bed as he was sleeping.. so I think it was a dream. phippi46 12:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• About the Miracals .. we have to define what is miracal for a human, the thing is there are some laws that God made them but as humans we may not be able to see them how they work. For example 1000 years ago if some one came back from a comma, it would be treated some kind of miracal according to religious belief that may be God gave him a new life .. he was dead.. or look like it but now we know that even some time heart stop working but people can be saved and his heart or breathing can start again with medical help. I was reading couple of days ago an artical where almost millions of american claimed to have a near death expierence .. mostly see a white light and other thing but they were not clinically dead and came back.. and well again... now if we are living under some kind of system which made by God, it is quite possible that we may not be aware of all of them, may God let us some day to find them all, when he desires, but God is logical and perfect, we humans are not perfect, so we can explain all the things .. and just to tell you there is another miracal of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) when people of Arabia watched spiliting of Moon.. what you think about it phippi46 12:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I think Spiliting of Moon was presented as Miracal because as you mentioned people even in India watched that event, but at the same time the question remains was moon spilited in peaces or was something else ? it was presented for non believers to tell that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is from God and he is a true Prophet. Even this event can be explained from the same Physical Laws without any problem ! second the Miracal from Moses was also a mass illusion, now it does not mean that he was wrong nor was a magician but it appeared to other as they saw something which is not normal that time. Now the Pharo's magicians were doing something same, and God gave Moses this power to show these people that what you are doing is not something supernatural, any one can do that.. it was claimed to show Pharoh that he is not god or his magicians are not with some extra ordinary powers.. they simple humans who develope some skills in illusion. Any way I was trying to learn that event of Spiliting Moon, and it will be great if you know any suggestions or research which shows possible meaning of it phippi46 12:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• I know what you mean and I understand atleast that when Pharo's magician throw their ropes, it appeared to people that they are watching snakes, it can be explained by my mass illusion but when Hazrat Moses through his stick, it appeared as something different and big..I think you are refereing to Quran event refering to this incident. But my question is if we take it as out of Physical Law which made by God himself it does not make any sence. God said in Quran that my laws which I created are as same as it was in the beginning of this univers and will continue like that till the day of judgement. Now this is a very powerfull statement ! the only explaination we can have is that there may be some other hidden Physical Laws that we dont know but according to this statement if we take it as true in nature out of physical laws then there will be a conflict in statements and I have problem to accept that there are some conflict what God says.. phippi46 13:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• sure ..I will give the reference shortly .. phippi46 13:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• ok please consider this Quranic verse and corresponding verses to check the claim made by Allah in Quran about the nature and his creations ..Allah says.. "No incongruity can you see in the creation of the Gracious God. Then look again: Do you see any flaw? Aye, look again, and yet againl your sight will only return to you tired and fatigued." now this vers of Quran (67:4-5). Now Quran further stipulates that likewise there can be no contradiction within the scriptural universe which is the Word of God (4:83, 21:23). Both the Word of God which is revealed truth and the Work of God which is material universe, must be in perfect unison with each other. phippi46 13:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it is very clear creation comes first and then we think of other things, if God is saying here that there is no flaw in my creation and the thing you see, then it is not possible for us as Humans to go beyond the laws of God, and all humans, including Prophets were never out of these physical laws. Many Muslim belief that Jesus was raised to heaven and decent again some time in future, directly contradicting these physical laws, where at the same time when Kuffars of arabs asked Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that if he is a true messenger then he should show them and clim up to sky and come back, and you know the answer, very clear and direct that My lord is free of these nonsence and I am only a human Prophet. Now I dont think no one understand Quran better then Holy Prophet, so when he said and it must be true. phippi46 14:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• you took it wrong, I dont mean that too, I am trying to say following. God creation is perfect no contradiction second things that miracals can be explained with physical laws. We may not be able yet to see of all of them, or may not be see them ever who knows. But when it comes to breaking them, in my views it is not possible for humans, as God creat us and put us under these Physical laws phippi46 15:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] trees

i have skimmed through the discussion and i haven't seen and textual evidences, though i am aware that such an accusation is sometimes used in diatribe. it is important to #1) find the textual evidence; #2) study its sharh (commentary). in this case, it is authentically narrated that Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) stated that when in war: do not kill the child, do not kill the old person, do not kill the woman, do not kill the priests or non-combatants, do not destroy the houses, and do not destroy the peoples' crops or trees. how the other textual evidence relates to this has probably been discussed within islamic scholarship: i await the fulfillment of #1 first. ITAQALLAH 18:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

Muhammad, i don't have sources for the horse thing. There is also another story about Qaswa(Muhammad's camel) and how good it was in competitions. Do you have any sources for these? --Aminz 02:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Aminz 03:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It is an scholarly article. Nice. --Aminz 22:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Animals section on Muhammad

Hello Truthspreader, you should know that the whole reform section on the Muhammad article is being turned into a new article. Reforms under Islam (610-661), being that is the case the animal section is going to be worked into there. Just to cut down on the edit warring on the Muhammad article I would advise you to just carry that content over now. Cheers. (→Netscott) 03:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Double Standard on Hadith

Hmm Truthspreader what about this?[2], [3]. Look like you using hadith ALL THE TIME! Especially for your original research. Wondering why you go around saying one thing on Muhammad and his reforms then do another thing on other articles. Maybed there a innocent explanation. ???Opiner 07:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wait for an admin

Truthspreader, Opiner is now making personal attacks. Let's not respond to him and wait for an admin to join in. --Aminz 09:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I asked User:Durova, but she seems to be offline. Do you have anybody else in mind. --Aminz 09:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah. --Aminz 09:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

How is this:

May we (User: Aminz& User:Truthspreader) ask you to join us in the dispute in the Reforms under Islam (610-661) article. We need your help and can not stand it if you don't accept it :) There is a dispute over reliability of certain sources per WP:RS and using primary sources. Please, please help. --Aminz 09:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

done. --Aminz 09:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Truthspreader, these editors are playing with you. Don't reply to them. Let's wait for Gren. --Aminz 10:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You helped choose Islam as this week's WP:AID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week Islam was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

[edit] Your original research

Look like youre doing a whole bunch of original research in Women in Islam.

On the reform article go to the discussinig page instead of just reverting ALL the time. If you did that youd know what happened to the animals.Opiner 02:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Heres more of your original research Truthspreader.[4] Looks like thats mostly what you're doing here.Opiner 02:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Truthspreader,

I think you've been under pressure recently. Thanks man. Judith asked me not to edit the main article for a couple of days. We are unlikely to get to any agreement with the editors who are not reasonable. The way to go is to ask some Admins to get in. Cheers, --Aminz 07:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad, I've also seen that book in our library in the resource books, but please also check with publication and the writter. I agree that it is probably scholarly. --Aminz 01:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert. --Aminz 08:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad, please see this [5]

He is now accusing prophet muhammad as anti-semitic, the position which no scholar have ever taken. Anti-semitism was a western phenomenon. See what kind of editors I have to deal with :( --Aminz 10:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad, I think it would be good to wait for user:Durova to come. She was involved in the Spencer article way back and I believe her presense would be useful.--Aminz 10:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

He has now also passed 3rr on Criticism of Qur'an article. I think we should include it in his profile. --Aminz 11:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The diffs:

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--Aminz 11:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Please mention previous version in his WP:3RR violations. Currently that is not mentioned and hence report is not complete. --- ALM 13:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Two goats won't butt heads about me, is that it? Arrow740 00:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam

The issue is not that you added it, but the fact that you just did without putting it on the talkpage first. I'm sorry for being ratty with you, but I thought a bit much for ohm to have a go at me for deleting a section without discussing it first when it was added in the same manner. I apologise for my attitude towards you. Dev920 (Please peer review here.) 13:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Basmala

Basmala does not mean "In the name of God"; it means "the overall phrase bismi-llāhi r-raħmāni r-raħīm taken as a whole". It is Bismillah which means "In the name of God". AnonMoos 21:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad, my world view has changed. Now, I don't get angry at big lies as much as I used to. I'll probably post something on my user page. I feel comforted now. --Aminz 04:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I've commented on the talk page. --Aminz 04:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks dude. --Aminz 05:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes :P --Aminz 05:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UET 01

AOA,

I am from UET, Lahore 01 sesion. May I know who your are?

Saqib

It all right. I am used to ppl mixing the two of us :). 00 session i see. I know a few guys of 00. i am doing MS from KFUPM, Saudi Arabia.

Ok. Will make sure to sign all future posts. One question, when an article is marked as NPOV, who decides it should be edited or modified and who does the actual modification? I sany prioir approval is needed from some mod?Saqibsohail 07:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Hi Truthspreader,

What do you think of requesting a mediation on both Criticism of the Quran and Reforms under Islam (610-661)? --Aminz 08:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The difference is that an admin is watching over us. --Aminz 08:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, you know, the problems are basically of the same nature since the editors in dispute are the same :) --Aminz 08:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Good. I think I should ask Itaqallah about Criticism of the Quran first. --Aminz 08:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I know. I remember. Let's file a mediation request. --Aminz 08:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. :) --Aminz 08:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Good. I am requesting for mediation. --Aminz 08:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The reform one. --Aminz 08:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello! I've requested for a mediation, here Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Reforms under Islam (610-661). Please join it. Thanks --Aminz 08:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Please sign it. --Aminz 08:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] qiyamah

I did read it all in the Dummy's Guide to Islam some time ago - what is POV about it? Dev920 (Please peer review here.) 10:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ziarah

Re poor mans haj - on the basis of your observation - I suggest that the comment either (a) removed with no comment (b) qualified with - that non-islamic anthropologists have commented (c) wait for someone else join in? I have no objection to removal - I simply have seen the comment in anthropology texts - and when I lived in Java, Indonesia I observed that none of my informants ever perceived their ziarah as such. It was a good point to make! SatuSuro 07:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)