Talk:Tina Modotti
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I've moved the below comments to here, they don't belong in an article. --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 17:52, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Images
Desperately needed for this entry are usable [see copyright issues elsewhere] images in at least these categories.
- Photographs by Tina Modotti
- Photographs of Tina Modotti
- Photograph of Diego Rivera’s murals with Modotti as a model.
- Many of her photographs still under copyright, mostly held by her estate. According to the Masters of Photography website, provided that we attribute them as a source and say who holds the copyright. ~~Shiri — Talk~~ 19:43, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
I added a (presumably) PD image of her in The Tiger's Coat. Not terrific, but all the photographs I could find of her are still under copyright. ~~Shiri — Talk~~ 19:46, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
- I just added this link to Modotti's photographs at the Italian Fondazione Italiana per la Fotografia. I think all of these photos are from the 1920s, and I've heard that EU copyright law is less stringent than in the U.S. Would anyone with EU copyright knoweldge and/or Italian skills be interested in checking this out? –dablaze 02:35, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Links
These will be left for someone else.
[edit] more cleanup needed
I cleaned up the first six paragraphs of this article. After that, the author begins to drop names not otherwised referenced and makes use of unexplained abbreviations. Much of this makes little sense. Someone with better knowledge of the subject will have to complete the cleanup.
Rosquet 23:19, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Rosquet - you should register as a user and we can talk more about this. Carptrash 05:35, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Did a Fair Amount
I did a fair amount of stuff, although I added no new content. Mainly reorganizing, wikifying, and trying to clarify.
Superm401 03:35, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] a funny coinsidence, if there is such a thing as coinsidence.
When I first wrote this piece I emersed myself in Modotti, a person that I have long been infatuated with, but burned out after writing a very sketchy piece and could not get up the feelings needed to return to it. Then a couple of weeks ago I was interviewed by Daniel Pink for his Wired story on Wikipedia. At that time I mentioned to him about my incomplete Modotti article. Almost immediately folks began showing up and doing the work that I seemed incapable of performing. This makes me feel good about myself, good about Tina and mostly, good about wikipedia. [postdated] Carptrash 22:26, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Maybe the copyedit tag helped...
At any rate, the part about the painting too close to Mello and the affair and the peering from behind...it's very confusing; someone who knows the facts should restructure it to indicate at the least what "with whom she was trying to hide the affair" means: was Mello her beard while she was schtupping Rivera? Was she hiding her sex with Rivera from Mello? Was she doing Mello and hiding it from Rivera, who she was also doing? And it means nothing to us that Vidali is peering at her, as he's not been mentioned in the context of "the affair".
The phrase "...continuing to work under the cover of the Red Aid organization..." implies that we've been told she had been before, but there is no indication of that; perhaps an earlier statement of her joining the organization has gone missing. I've adjusted it to "...for whom she worked under cover..." just to make it flow as-is.
Decamped seems such a prissy word, but it fits perfectly here in the wide-brimmed-hatted, artsy-commie spy world she inhabited. Blair P. Houghton 03:57, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Timeline & Stalinist purge questions
I commented out the following text (in mid-edit, so there may be some fragments in there):
- Sometime in 1923 Modotti met muralist Diego Rivera, modeled for several of his paintings. began a yearlong affair with him after separating from Weston. During this time she turned more and more towards radical politics. Also in 1926, Diego Rivera's wife Lupe Marín asserted that her separation from her husband was caused by his affair with Modotti, who was modeling for him. The Modotti-Rivera affair lasted for about a year.
- She did not care for the fact that in one painting Rivera depicted her in close proximity to Mella, with whom Modotti was trying to hide her affair. Peering at her from behind is the ominous face of Vidali. About this Tina wrote to Weston, "Recently Diego has taken to painting details with an exaggerated precision. He leaves nothing to the imagination." This marked the end of her admiration of him as an artist, and perhaps as a communist as well. Later, after Rivera was expelled from the Communist Party for his Trotskyist leanings, she would denounce him as a traitor.
I tried a lot with this, but there's no real timeline to work with -- I can't really figure out what happened when. Can anyone clarify the whole Diego Rivera affair timeline? In general terms? :-)
Also, the sentence that claims Modotti was involved in the Stalinist purges, was this in Spain or in Moscow? (The claim appeared in the Spanish Civil War paragraph, but I cut it for now.) What kind of involvement was it, or was it just a rumor?
--dablaze 05:12, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Well I started this article, so I guess i can . . . . if not finish it at least address some of these issues. So first thing tomorrow AM [after two cups of coffee].......................... Carptrash 05:27, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Modotti as photographer
The article concentrates mostly on the fact that Modotti hung out and/or slept with several prominent artists and leftist political figures of her time, which doesn't seem in itself all that significant to me.
The one accomplishment she seems to have, though, is her work as a photographer. I think this article needs a meaty section on that area of her life, especially since the web searches I've done on her all talk about her primarily as a photographer. I don't know too much about her life, so I'm hoping someone else with more knowledge of Modotti could write this (Carptrash? :-), but it's definitely the missing piece of the puzzle here, AFAIC.
--dablaze 18:08, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Movies
Why was the movies list removed? Vandalism or was something wrong? I vote keep, if it comes down to democracy. Blair P. Houghton 21:52, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Italian-American activist
it appears that someone has added, and then another removed Modotti from this list. I figure that she does not really belong on it because she was never an American. Now a list of Italian - Mexican activists . . . . . . . . .......... Carptrash 17:33, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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