User talk:Thomas S. Major

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THOMAS S. MAJOR

Welcome!

Hello, Thomas S. Major, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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1 Late reply to your message
2 Opus Dei
3 Turin etc
4 Introvigne photo and quote.
5 Transubstantiation
6 Opus Dei Mediation
7 Mediation
8 Mediation Started
9 cutting of references
10 Potential compromise
11 Barnstar
12 Photos

[edit] Late reply to your message

Hi, Thomas. Thanks for your message on my talk page about the Opus Dei article. I meant to reply sooner, and I would have liked to contribute more to that article. Unfortunately, shortly after getting your message, I began to get some anonymous stalking messages, with personal threats about finding out my home address, etc. It wasn't a big problem (my address is not listed in any public directory), but it took up quite a lot of my time, tracking IP adresses, writing to adminstrators, etc. I'm now revising for exams at the end of this month, so while I'm still on Wikipedia (mainly for relaxation), I only edit things that won't take up too much time. (At least, that's the rule I've made – I don't at all guarantee that I stick to it!) I hope to be back editing Opus Dei at the end of this month. Thanks again. Ann Heneghan ^(talk) 10:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Opus Dei

Hi Thomas, reply to both of your comments (and apologies for taking so much time).

Footnotes:

Currently there isn't any proper system that I know which is designed to split proper footnotes from the page. It could be made quite easily. However, I'm strongly against that. Having footnotes on the same page has many benefits

fast moving back and forward between them and the text
easier and clearer editing (all in the same single document == less confusion
unlikely to be separated (e.g. in mirrors etc.)

I think, to be honest, that the length of the page is better tackled by fundamental measures rather than superficial ones. The page should aim to be about 30k, but you should count that excluding footnotes, tables and illustrations. The correct thing to do is to convert to Summary style and make separate pages for each of the correct topics. Almost all of the theology should be moved out to one single coherent page where it will be easier to read and understand.

Your edits:

This is an excellent direction. I'm happy that you read my comments and are taking them into account. Obviously, however, I'm hoping for much more of this material. However, your edits come across as very defensive of Opus Dei. For example you say "Critics, however, say that Opus Dei is powerful.." which you then contrast with "assets are [..] $344 million, compared with [..] $102 billion". These aren't really matching comments. Money should not typically be the measure of influence in religeous organisations. This comes across as fairly strong POV where probably a stronger statement ("however alwyn says the organisation disdains secular influence {{ref|alwyn-34}} and no example has ever been made of Opus Dei inspired legistlation") could probably be much less POV pushing.

Keep up the good work :-)

Mozzerati 19:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Turin etc

Happy now. Cheers JackofOz 12:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Introvigne photo and quote.

I think it's fine - the only change I would suggest:

"Massimo Introvigne, author of numerous works on sociology of religion, says that secularists and liberals "stigmatize" their "prime target," Opus Dei, since they "cannot tolerate the 'return to religion'" of the secularized society."

"Massimo Introvigne, author of numerous works on sociology of religion including the Encyclopedia of Religions, says that secularists and liberals "stigmatize" their "prime target," Opus Dei, since they "cannot tolerate the 'return to religion'" of the secularized society.

as it is not immediately obvious (although one does figure it out.....one would hope, anyways) why the picture of the book cover is there. Out of curiosity, is that quote out of the Encyclopedia? DonaNobisPacem 07:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transubstantiation

Hey Thomas -

I'd like you to take a look at the Talk:Transubstantiation page at the discussion brewing over the origins of the doctrine. Most of the discussion is contained under Consensus, what consensus? DonaNobisPacem 07:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I was starting to re-think my postition, after a friend brought up the topic after mention was made by a professor in a Greek & Roman studies course. I'll see what I can do about a scholarly reply.... DonaNobisPacem 21:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

The issue has been moved to the page on Eucharist, which is a better choice than transubstantiation anyways - but it seems to be resolving itself amongst some rather knowledgeable folks on that page. Thanks for your input, though. DonaNobisPacem 09:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opus Dei Mediation

Hi Thomas! Glad you'll join us for the mediation thingy. Don't forget to add yourself to the list and sign that you agree to participate on this page: Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Opus Dei

--Alecmconroy 02:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

A mediator has shown up ready to begin mediation. Do come join us when next you're here. :) --Alecmconroy 14:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Hi, I am willing to be mediate your case, regarding Opus Dei.

The first thing that needs to be decided is what format the mediation should take, and my preference would be to conduct it on Wikipedia (as opposed to e-mail, IRC etc.). If you are planning to take a wiki-break in the near-future or will be unable to partcipate in the mediation could you please let me know. I should point out that I shall be on a wikibreak from the 3rd July until the 7th July. --Wisd e n17 23:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation Started

Hi, I've posted the intial questions regarding the Opus Dei case, here. This is where I intend to carry out the mediation. If anybody plans to be away from Wikipedia in the near future then please let me know a.s.a.p.. I look forward to working with you. --Wisd e n17 23:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cutting of references

Why did you cut the interesting links pro and contra opus? It's a loss.

Louisar 19:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Potential compromise

Thomas! Thanks for the kind words on my talk page. You know, we don't get to say this enough-- thank you so much for the way you've handled yourself in this dispute. You've always been the utter HEIGHT of civility. It all but makes me feel guilty to even disagree with you about the article.

I'm really enjoying the Allen book-- thank you for recommending it to me. I actually am having amazon ship a copy to a close relative of mine who is, in fact, a member of the priesthood, though not of a member of the Priestly Society of the Holy Cross (at least not yet heheh). At family gatherings, he and I always stay up late into the night talking about all kinds of things, so it promises to be an interesting Thanksgiving.

My position in this dispute is a little awkward for me-- I'm in a role not unlike a defense attorney who finds himself representing a murderer or a rapist. I have a duty to represent them, to make sure that the trial is a fair one, and to present their case. But at the same time, I'm not for one second saying my client is right.

Anyway, in the middle of the night last night, I woke up, and had a flash of insight about a potential compromise first step. It would allow me to feel comfortable that the critics are getting a fair chance to make their case, but would still allow us reduce the total amount of space devoted to criticism in the article. I really really hope you like the idea, it could be a huge step towards reaching consensus. I think you will. :)

--Alecmconroy 23:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Thom, in response to your post on my talk page. I think you're overzealous in protecting children. Do you really think a little bit of criticism would be that great a threat to Opus Dei? --Alecmconroy 04:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I made a change you might find controversial, so I wanted to bring it to your attention so you could revert it immediately. Discussion is here Talk:Opus_Dei#links. --Alecmconroy 08:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Well, Thomas-- I gave you a barnstar, cause you have got to be the nicest, most civil disputant I've ever met online. You're still wrong about the Opus Dei page, though! :). But honestly, I'm glad to be done with the whole thing, and I honestly hope ever person I show the article to tells me "Alec, it's fine-- leave it be". I really don't care if I right, I just want to make sure Wikipedia gets it right here. Besides--- I'm utterly sick of having to be the public defender-- the unpaid advocate for causes I don't even believe in. Why can't the people who actually DO think Opus Dei is a cult take this issue to mediation, instead of me having to do it for them? hehehe. oh, I joke, but tommorrow I'll have some new cause I don't believe in to try to work on. I don't trust myself enough to work on the ones I do care about. Hey, check your email! --Alecmconroy 00:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

Hi Tom! I am so sorry my reply's late. Been extremely busy with so many mundane concerns. ;-) I thought about your request... and I did obtain a copy of the Opus Dei Headquarters at NY....But after some thought... isn't it much better to put in a regular center rather than that huge thing at NY? Think about it. Regards and nice job at mediation! Walter Ching 04:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

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