Talk:The Starting Line

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[edit] Golla backing vocalist?

To the person who keeps listing Mike Golla as a backing vocalist: Look, first off, I see you are a fairly unexperieced user. Please take a look at WP:MOS, as you are making a lot of style mistakes, not just in this article. Also, stop spamming the article with your comments trying to prove me wrong. They don't belong there at all. I read the edit history, so posting your comments there suffices.

Anyway, Golla is not credited in any of the band's booklets as a backing vocalist, as he does not perform vocals on any of their releases. In their videos, just like on the records (as those are the same recordings), Kenny Vasoli performs the backing vocals. Golla may lipsync to several lines, which is commonly done in music videos, just for the sake of giving it a more genuine feel. HarryCane 17:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• Golla sings backing vocals live though? I guess this doesn't count though. Removed crap from talk page. JaymzSpyhunter 23:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unreleased and non-album tracks

There is a dispute going on about what non-album tracks should or should not be listed. The songs in question are "Lasting Impressions (Full Band Version)," "Song For Her," and "The Rain Cloud And I." These songs were recorded for "Based on a True Story" but were cut when the album was released. They have since been released by the Starting Line on their MySpace and PureVolume web pages. Does anyone else have an opinion on this? User:12.5.1.207 14:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

As I already pointed out, I think they shouldn't be listed for various reasons. First off, the Non-album tracks section usually only lists released tracks that were not on one of a band's albums (see New Found Glory, Dashboard Confessional, Hidden in Plain View, Fenix*TX, Something Corporate, the list goes on and on). All these articles only list songs that were either on compilations, available for online purchase or on import versions of the albums. Also, while "Song for Her" was in fact recorded with With Hopes of Starting Over, the other songs in question were only demos ("The Rain Cloud and I", "Lasting Impressions" — which was already released on The Make Yourself at Home EP) that the band recorded in pre-production for their album Based on a True Story, not in the actual recording session with Tim O'Heir. They also posted a demo version of "Cheek to Cheek". Shouldn't that one be listed as well? Or the live version of "The Best of Me" from the Drive-Thru Invasion Compilation? Or all the other demos from the We the People Sessions? If you're going to start listing unreleased songs and different versions of album tracks, you'll never hear the end of it. --HarryCane 18:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll never hear the end of it from you. Fine, I'll agree with you that all the different versions of songs shouldn't be listed and therefore "Lasting Impressions" shouldn't be there. However, "Song For Her" and "The Rain Cloud and I" are different songs that are 1) not on any album, 2) released by the band, and 3) "available for online purchase" (in this case, free streaming). And why can't we put the We the People sessions on here and just say it features demos of starting line songs? What would be so wrong with that? Check out Sum 41, Yellowcard, Something Corporate to see where people list unreleased stuff. --User:12.5.1.207 15:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

First off, how is free streaming a form of online purchase? Also, the only "unreleased" songs that the Something Corporate discography lists are The Galaxy Sessions (if you had looked into it you even would have noticed that I created that article and put it there). These were, however, not unreleased demos, but a properly produced recording distributed to members of their street team. Other songs (like "Rock & Roll Band" and "If I Were a Terrorist") are not listed, for a good reason. And I never said the We the People Sessions shouldn't be included in the aritcle (as advance copies of them exist). I said it would be stupid to list every single track in the "Non-album tracks" section. If it's done in a similar manner to the Galaxy Sessions and if someone can supply sufficient information, there would IMO be absolutely nothing wrong with that.

As for Yellowcard (an article that is generally in an exceptionally bad shape), the "Other Songs" (which BTW shouldn't be capatilized) section was recently added by unexperienced users and anons, and is seeded with incorrect information anyways (e.g. "Hey Mike" was first released on the "Way Away" UK single, it lists songs that were performed live or on TV/radio once, and what "exclusive track from Lights and Sounds" is supposed to mean I don't know). Sum 41 lists one unreleased track, that's true. But as I pointed out earlier, there are tons of articles that don't. "Song for Her" and "The Rain Cloud and I" were never officially released and listing them in the appropriate album pages (With Hopes of Starting Over and Based on a True Story) suffices. --HarryCane 12:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)