Talk:The Little Match Girl
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[edit] Analysis
I deleted the analysis sections because it wasn't scholarly - just someone's random opinion. (I also don't think it made sense - it talked about the story being mostly about rich versus poor, almost completely ignoring H.C. Andersens' religious message.) I also rewrote the plot synopsis to make it more accurate based on the original Danish. It now includes the positive (yes, positive!)last sentence of the story.
- I'm sorry then but I'm going to have to revert this. First of all, the plot synopsis is what it is: a synopsis. By moving it closer to the Andersen tale, you might as well could have copy-pasted the original text in there. We have Wikisource for that kind of thing. And as far as the analysis is concerned I disagree completely. By removing that content you've made yourself guilty of the very thing you accused the original editor of. It's not because YOU think an interpretation is wrong it should be deleted, and certainly not because you feel the religious message is being ignored (it was actually, clarified in the first few lines of the analysis). Whatever Andersen originally meant with his tale is interesting indeed but analysis doesn't stop at his own intentions. Whatever is there can be discussed. That is the true scholarly approach! --Steerpike 15:26, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
????? -- Jason Palpatine 21:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, your analysis stays. I have, however, put my plot synopsis back. This version is actually shorter than the plot synopsis you want, so I don't understand your saying "By moving it closer to the Andersen tale, you might as well could have copy-pasted the original text in there." And I do think that the last sentence is very important - it stresses the joy of the girl going to heaven, not the tragedy of her death. Like it or not, that is how the original story ends. (In fact, a lot of Andersen's tales are very Christian, but this often isn't conveyed in so-called translations that are often just paraphrasing.) Of course, a synopsis, or even a full translation, is never like the original. A synopsis especially doesn't include the wording - Andersen's writing is absolutely beautiful in the original. He is known in the States for his plots, but not really for his style or his writing. Others are, of course, welcome to make changes or deletions to the synopsis (that is the beauty of Wikipedia), but please only do so if you are basing your version on the original Danish. How else will you know that it is correct?
- Okay then for your synopsis but I'm still removing the first sentence. The title of the story is already made clear. It just looks odd to begin the text with. And I have absolutely no objections to the final sentence (or whether the tale ends on a grim or a hopeful note). I am well aware of the Christian themes in Andersen's stories, and I am not argueing they should be ignored, but I am argueing that analysis extends a whole lot further than that (the theme of rich vs. poor is definitely there). --Steerpike 10:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I had included the title in the synopsis because it's more accurate than title of the main heading - "Den lille Pige med Svovlskikkerne" translates into "The Little Girl with the Matchsticks" not "The Little Match Girl".
[edit] Song
On former Rainbow keyboardist Tony Carey's album from 2000, "The Boystown Tapes", there's a track called "Matchgirl", a song (autobiographical?)about a musician who lost touch with a daughter. She ended up dying from a terminal illness, and was found dead lying in the snow, like the little girl in Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale.
[edit] External Link for 2005 Adaptation
Thoughts people. Taking a look at the external link, I think it definately should be there - especially since the author of the link took so much time to review this particular aspect of the "Hello Kitty" adaptation (going as far as to "kill" Hello Kitty" to keep the original ending). If taken out, I think that some of the points from the review should be then be included in the article for "Little Match Girl" -- Thoughts all, please. 67.113.99.253 01:22, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I like the link - it is vitally needed. I say keep it!Raabscuttle 02:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
As I eplained on User talk:Raabscuttle:
- External links embedded in text are in general deprecated in Wikipedia.
- Links that don't lead to what the user expects ("easter-egg links) are particularly objected to; this one leads, not to an article on the episode, but to a review.
- The link would be relevant in an article on that episode, but not in this article. "Wikipedia is not a link farm".
This is one fairly minor adaptation, which doesn't seem to warrant any more information in this article. If it does warrant more information, then it can be given its own article, where the link would obviously be appropriate. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Analysis again
Someone (Mel Etitis) removed the analysis again. We've had this discussion before and I think it should stay. It's not original research at all in my opinion. You don't need scholarly sources to observe the story is about spirituality and poverty, but I'll try and reference it if it makes some people happy. Also, on a sidenote, someone added the sentence "click on the link below for the Wikisource text" in the plot synopsis. What was the point of that?? --Steerpike 11:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- Read Wikipedia:Citations and Wikipedia:No original research. This is extremely speculative, and gives no citations; it's quite clearly a personal essay. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Synopsis
I've added the {{copyedit}} tag to this; it's not a synopsis, but a rather purple short retelling. It needs to be shortened and cleaned up. I'll have a go myself if no-one beats me to it. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:46, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- Okay then while you're at it, shorten these synopses too:
- Bluebeard
- Puss in Boots
- Rapunzel
- The Princess and the Pea
- The Steadfast Tin Soldier
- Brother and Sister
- Rumpelstiltskin
- Point being: since so many fairy tale articles use the "plot synopsis" heading and most of these synopses are too long (or too literary) to actually be called a synopsis, a more economical decision may be to change the heading "plot synopsis" to something else. You will see btw, that the "synopsis" of The Little Match Girl is fairly short compared to other fairy tales on Wikipedia. --Steerpike 19:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
All irrelevant; showing that there are other articles with the same problem doesn't make the problem go away. A synopsis is appropriate for an encyclopædia article — a sub-literary retelling of the story isn't. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- Did I say the problem would go away? I'm not happy with the current state of fairy tale articles either. I'm perfectly fine with rewriting the "story" to a true synopsis but this will be a long task to work on from here. Oh and btw, while we're at it, a synopsis is preferably written in the present tense. --Steerpike 21:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[Personal attack removed]... IMHO... Fixed the relivent link (again) which appearently more people then the great Mel think is relivent... Raabscuttle 04:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
- Read Wikipedia:No personal attacks
- Unless you have a response to the reasons that I gave, please stop adding the link. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
page fixed again. [personal attack removed] 67.113.99.253 23:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi 67.113.99.253, looking at the link, I think I can incorporate the pertinent points into the actual article without using the link. Take a look and let me know what you think. If you feel it is still needed, by all means feel free to add it back in. Raabscuttle 04:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
As 67.113.99.253 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) only seems to edit pages edited by Raabscuttle (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log), makes the same sort of spelling and grammatical errors, and leaves the same sort of comments, it's not unlikely that they're the same person. It wouldn't take long to find out from checkuser. If they are the same person, this is abusive, and would result in an editing block. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello Mel the bully. Please Read Wikipedia:No personal attacks I am not rabscutle. 67.113.99.253 19:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
And Rabscutle - I disagree - the link DOES belong in there67.113.99.253 19:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pointless personal attack
All, Where does one report this abusive, bullying behaviour of Mel to??? We need users link this locked out of Wikipedia!!!!! 67.113.99.253 19:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] In 2002, "Resurrection of the Little Match Girl", a South Korean action film directed by Jang Sun-woo was released.
which fucking piece of shit reverted "In 2002, "Resurrection of the Little Match Girl", a South Korean action film directed by Jang Sun-woo was released." into "" ??? --217.233.246.25 16:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Possible reference
I think there may have been a reference to The Little Match Girl in the Pokémon anime. In the episode Snow Way Out, Team Rocket try to keep warm by concentrating on a match and imagining themselves somewhere warm. --Wussycat 03:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
