Talk:SS Normandie

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Shipwreck-related priority open tasks: Contents 1 To Do 2 Done 3 year scrapped? 4 gross register ton 5 The saboteur that doomed her 6 video of Normandie (amateurs should check this) ! 7 Turbo electric propulsion 8 Brittany Ferries Normandie [edit] To Do Shipwrecks Clean up typos Improve Grammer Add any additions if needed Discuss disired additions Cattewater Wreck Needs expansion [edit] Done Shipwrecks Re-wrote the first paragraph Cleaned up Types of Shipwrecks it felt a bit jumbled Cattewater Wreck Started the article

• the "Normandie" has at full speed trouble with heck vibrations from the screws. It was rebuilt in winter 1935/36 and fitted with new designed 4 bladed screws in 1938. now the vibrations reduced.
• also from 1936 the French line plans to build a little greater sister ship to the Normandie, planed name was "Bretagne".

11:35, 5.Aug.2005, DEF

[edit] year scrapped?

The inset table says 1946; the article text says 1947. Which is it? --Super Aardvark 20:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

the ship was sold for scrap on October 3rd 1946, as seen on the French article, i think it took more than 3 months to completely sissaemble the remaining of the world's biggest ship, hence 46-47. JP Belmondo 01:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] gross register ton

This is a good article. One note should be added to clarify that a ship's tonnage is a volumetric quantity, and not a weight measurement. The equivalent of a ship's weight would be displacement, which is the weight of water the ship "displaces".

Wiki should have a seperate article, or have a link to the TON article. Gary Joseph 22:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The saboteur that doomed her

The Wiki article on Prohibition-era gangster Albert Anastasia says that it was him that ordered the ship burnt as a part of his scheme to help Lucky Luciano (then jailed), and that it was his brother Anthony "Tough Tony" Anastasio that carried out the sabotage. Is this true? If it is I think it should be included in this article.

Veljko Stevanovich 14. 4. 2006. 23:55 UTC+1

i think the 2005 TV documentary talked about a simple accident not sabotage (if i can remember), it is possible this theory was created to explain "rationally" a simple unbelievable event which led to the destruction of a mythic ship (it always happen with tragic trivial ends), don't you think?. JP Belmondo 01:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] video of Normandie (amateurs should check this) !

The TV documentary I was refering to in the article was actually broadcated in July 2006 in both the Swiss channel TSR 2 (July 16th) and the French public channel France 3 (around the same period).

"A bord du Normandie" definitely worth a look (here you can read the synopsis; check rare once-thought-lost color photographies and watch the doc on VOD).

There is also the free trailer page w/its player.

And this is the direct link for the free trailer (Windows Media Player compatible).

mms://vipmms9.yacast.net/lba/extraits/FTD/LBA-FTD-03092-ext350.wmv

(unfortunately this URL is based on the MMS protocol which is not supported as an external wikilink, so this video must be downloaded -don't ask- and uploaded on a public server)

Swiss channel's sumup "En mai 1935, le mythique paquebot Normandie quitte Le Havre pour effectuer son voyage inaugural vers New York. Monument de technologie, joyau artistique des années 30, le Normandie retrouve vie dans ce documentaire grâce à des images en couleurs de grande qualité miraculeusement retrouvées par les auteurs de ce documentaire. Un film délicieusement rétro, qui offre une bouffée d'air du grand large !"

JP Belmondo 00:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turbo electric propulsion

Can a source be provided to confirm the maximum power output of the Normandie's at 200,000 SHP? All sources I have read state 160,000 SHP. This includes a souvenir issue of "The Shipbuilder and Marine Engine-Builder", June 1961, issued to commemorate the completion of the ss Canberra and reprinted in the book "SS Canberra" by Neil McCart (Patrick Stephens Ltd, 1983). To quote, with reference to the Canberra; "Her power per shaft- 42,500 S.H.P.- also slightly exceeds that of the French pre-war liner Normandie, whose turbo-electric machinery was rated at 160,000 S.H.P. on four screws". The following also needs clarification;

• The four Alsthom (France) asynchronous turbo engines, generating 160,000 shp/118 MW (200,000 shp/147 MW at maximum power), are still the biggest engines ever built worldwide, with a 6.50 x 8.00 x 6.00 m single dimension.

The Normandie did not have "asychronous turbo engines"- she had asynchronous electric motors powered by alternators which were driven by steam turbines, ie a typical turbo electric plant. The turbine is the actual engine, the motor is the transmission. I doubt that the turbines are the largest ever built, either in physical dimensions or actual size- many power stations would have turbines much more powerful and larger, and there were liners and naval ships with more powerful turbine installations. It is possible the electric motors are physically the largest ever built (this needs to be confirmed), although those on the USS Lexington and USS Saratoga were more powerful. What exactly in the Normandie was 6.50 x 8.00 x 6.00 m, and what is a "single dimension"? --Dashers 10:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brittany Ferries Normandie

Just thinking that there should maybe be a link to the article on the MV_Normandie in the article, but I'm loath to add it without consulting for fear of stepping on toes. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that she was named after the liner WelshMatt 14:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

If you can find the reference that says it was named after this Normandie, by all means add it; otherwise it would be safer to assume it was named after Normandy. As for treading on people's toes, I wouldn't worry - virtually no one edits this article (despite how much it needs it). John.Conway 08:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, just taken a look at the Brittany Ferries website and they say she's named after the region. Fair enough - I can only assume the article I found a while ago had got a tad confused. WelshMatt 13:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)