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Wording seems clumsy: "most of the game centers around Squall's perspective." "Squall sparks... a growing romance" "a distinct rivalry" More explanation would be helpful on the gunblade ("given a damaging vibration feature by use of the gun mechanism") Doesn't make sense: "especially when they wish to understand how he is feeling." Borderline not encyclopedic: "yet to be vanquished" Remove spaces before citations, and watch location with respect to punctuation Rename "Overview" section; perhaps a video game equivalent of "biography"? Or maybe just "Final Fantasy VIII"? That would make sense given the following section, which could be renamed "Other appearances". Citations for last paragraph of "Kingdom Hearts" section and the "Other" section? more perspective from the creators if that's possible; Needs a minor copyedit in the Kingdom Hearts section Images need fair use tags some sentences repeat themselves in the Kingdom Hearts section. the section on the ending of Final Fantasy VIII needs more explanation; I haven't played the game, and it wasn't all clear; how was he in his fathers body?

Contents 1 Amano? 2 How do you pronounce Leonhart? 3 Article needs attention 4 Leonhart? 5 Squall's eyes? 6 River Phoenix? 7 The Trivia Section 8 End of FFVIII 9 Squall's birthplace 10 Trivia 11 Griever 12 Improvement possibilities 13 GA thoughts 14 Gackt? 15 LIMIT BREAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit] Amano?

The article states Squall was designed by both Nomura and Amano. Where is your source for this? I don't believe Amano did any designs after VI, therefore, shouldn't it just say Tetsuya Nomura? Yoshitaka Amano is credited as "Illustrator," this doesn't mean he designed any characters. --Feidian 07:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How do you pronounce Leonhart?

Me and a friend is having a debate about it. I think it's pernounced Lion-heart and he says Leon-heart. They hinted it throughout the whole, such as the lion creature, known as Greiver, on his Gunblade. Greiver wasn't in any other Final Fantasy games. His final Limit Break is called Lionheart. And much more that I can't of off the top of my head. What do you guys think?

Ryu Ematsu

How do you pronounce Leon? And actually, the name has to do with lions, since Leon probably comes from Greek (leon in Ancient Greek means lion). YF-23 20:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks alot. Ryu Ematsu

[edit] Article needs attention

Although this article does contain some truth, most of it sounds quite POV. A glaring example of this is: "he is visually based off of Japanese singer Gackt". Unless the character designer specifically said that he or she has actually done that, that statement cannot be made in the article. Nearly everything in the "Psyche" section sounds like a psychoanalysis made by a fan (or fans).

While the article is not very encyclopedic, I didn't delete anything because a lot of it makes sense. Even if the article is not factual, we must remember that this is a ficticious character we're talking about. It's not as if some high school student is going to do a report on Squall.

With all that said, if some sources can be added, the quality of the article will be drastically improved (even if the sources are just links to forum discussions).

Someone42 14:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey I woul ilke to request for an article about emotional defence mechanism and about silent type boys with cold behavior [edit on 02:21, 11 October 2005 UTC by user Highbreed ]

Can you clarify on exactly what you mean by this? I assume you're referring to an article listing apathetic male video game characters. In that case, I'm not really sure what the purpose of such a list would be, since details of emotional defence mechanisms are inherently speculative.

By the way, remember to sign and timestamp your posts with four tildes: ~~~~. I've added the relevant information to your post here to aid other users. Someone42 10:27, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh dear god, who the hell wrote that! It has to be changed now. Wait is this page meant to be about Squall? I know lots about FF VIII - just ask me! For example; do you know why they began fighting in the first place? Hint: Blue Fields, get my meaning? Someone42 if you’re such a know-it-all; why don’t you handle the article. Jinu 19:36, 17 January 2006 (GMT) xenosagaus@yahoo/hotmail.com

Whoa, no hard feelings there. I didn't intend to come across as a know-it-all. It's just that Wikipedia has different goals from that of say, Wikicities or GameFAQs, and so it should have different content. I really should have referred to Wikipedia:NOR as the policy I was following when I reverted that change.

In particular, there is no way to verify the psychological state of a fictional character. Any one of us may claim to be the world's expert on FF VIII, or Squall, or video games, but if a claim is not verifiable, then it shouldn't be included.

With that in mind, why don't you join Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy? You seem to be knowledgable about FF VIII, and there are certainly articles related to FF VIII that need improvement. No-one "owns" or "handles" any article - everyone who wants to does. Someone42 13:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leonhart?

I'm pretty sure his last name was Lionheart. I'll go dig out my old manual and check though.

While I can't exactly give you any sources because I just took this out of the game, his attacks and weapons tend to be Lionheart, but his name really is Leonhart. Hence his name in Kingdom Hearts, probably.

Eternal Trance 01:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Squall's eyes?

I always thought Squall's eyes were GRAY, not blue. Anam 13:28 (EST), 9th July 2006 (UTC)

Squall's eyes are really blue. In the game, there are a lot of situations where you can see him so close that you can spot the color (for example graduation ball, escaping the X-ATM092 cutscene), so there's no doubt about it. ILorbb 09:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think they're gray, and in those situations you've named they don't look at all blue to me. I don't think the colour of his eyes should be confirmed as blue until there's more proof. Anam 13:28 (EST), 9th July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I've checked those FMVs myself and they're really not a satisfactory proof. So I was looking for another (the best would be from official site, of course). On the official site [1], though, the colour of his eyes might be either blue or grey. Finally, I found this site [2] - it contains screenshots from all FMVs in the game. The proof that Squall's eyes are blue is on the fourth line of pictures, the first one. It is the moment where Seifer Almasy slashes his Gunblade and Squall widely opens his eyes. In that instant, there's a close shot on his eye and we can clearly distinguish the color, blue.ILorbb 10:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes I was going to suggest watching that FMV carefully as well. If you watch the opening FMV of the game, the close-up of his eyes clearly shows they're gray. The screenshot you speak of is too dark to make a definite descision over. If you increase the brightness of the image slightly, you will see his eyes are distinctly gray. I don't believe it should be firmly stated his eyes are blue on this page because I and many other people have always believed they are gray. It should either be undisclosed or written as "gray, blue, or gray-blue". Anam 13:28 (EST), 9th July 2006 (UTC)

After I've brightened the image and carefully checked the color, it really turned up to be a distinct shade of gray, so I apologize for my above statement that Squall's eyes are blue. But, to make sure no argue about this matter will occur in the future, I suggest removing all information about this topic from the article or creating a pool about which color should appear there (the latter is more "democratic" solution).ILorbb | Talk 11:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] River Phoenix?

While I admittedly see the resemblance (it's quite striking), anyone have a source for this assertion which also appears on Tetsuya Nomura's article? UOSSReiska 23:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Trivia Section

I think this whole part needs to go: "Squally is an extremely popular final fantasy character. If ranked based off of the gamefaqs tournament he'd rank 4th behind Cloud Strife, Sephiroth, and Vincent Valentine respectively." That is completely speculatory as this matchup has evidently not taken place even by the standards of whoever edited it in, it refers to Squall by a nickname, and finally I don't really think that part is necessary as it seems more like some fan trying to boost Squall's status. I would just delete this, but I'm still learning the do's and do not's so I'd rather someone who was sure about it fix it up.

Secondly, I have a problem with this part: "Due to his popularity, Squall plays a much larger role than the rest of the Final Fantasy characters in the Kingdom Hearts Series." Again, Squall's popularity is mostly debatable, and it's arguable over whether or not he plays a "much larger" role. But I'm not the best at wording things, so I'd rather hand this job to someone more experienced. Eternal Trance 01:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I went ahead and just removed both of those two and the recent addition about the Lion King that was nonsensical and looked like vandalism. --Eternal Trance 20:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End of FFVIII

I've wondered for a while (for thoses who played and saw the ending of FFVIII) did Squall die at the end of the game? Please respond in a timely fashion please.--Lionheart Omega 01:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Squall did NOT die at the end of the game. The penultimate cut-scene shows Rinoa gesturing to somebody off screen, and if you wait until after the end credits, there is a cut-scene showing that Rinoa was in fact gesturing to Squall with her finger in the same way she did when they first met. I missed this final part in my first play also, it's quite common for people to miss it. I personally feel that this final cut-scene should have been left out, but i guess Square thought otherwise. Plebmonk 00:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I played the PC version of the game. I don't know if it's much different, but in the very last ending sequences Squall is definitely alive and well. The last scene is with him and Rinoa locking lips then it zooms out and shows them all on the flying Garden then it says "The End." He's definitely alive.

[edit] Squall's birthplace

To stop people from putting in speculative birthplaces like "winhill" birthplace should probably put as "unknown" to make the point that it is unknown rather than just not putting it at all. Plebmonk 23:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

• Considering that Raine and Laguna are very, very strongly implied to be his parents, and Raine stayed in Winhill while Laguna was out and about, its safe to say that Winhill is where he was born. Peptuck 14:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

I'm going to modify and hopefully remove the trivia section. It's unencyclopedic and unnecessary.--TheEmulatorGuy 04:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Forget it, I can't find appropriate places to put the information.--TheEmulatorGuy 04:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I know, something really needs to be done about it. I'd like to first off say that we don't need any more garbage about his popularity. This is entirely opinionated and not necessary. Also, it needs to read more like an encyclopedia, and have more facts and less fanbased opinions and observations... --Trance 18:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Griever

I have also seen speculation that with the odd time stuff he is the ultimate GF and rinoa is ultimecia

For the Rinoa-Ultimecia rumour (false), see the Rinoa article. Griever is only the ultimate GF in that he's one of the final boss's four forms. The player can never acquire Griever as a junctionable GF in-game. -- Bakabaka 18:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

While Bakabaka is correct and covers this pretty well, I'd like to add on that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. If you want to speculate, I suggest you take that to a fansite. Trance 18:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improvement possibilities

Some suggestions:

• Wording seems clumsy: "most of the game centers around Squall's perspective." "Squall sparks... a growing romance" "a distinct rivalry"
• More explanation would be helpful on the gunblade ("given a damaging vibration feature by use of the gun mechanism")
• Doesn't make sense: "especially when they wish to understand how he is feeling."
• Borderline not encyclopedic: "yet to be vanquished"
• Remove spaces before citations, and watch location with respect to punctuation
• Rename "Overview" section; perhaps a video game equivalent of "biography"? Or maybe just "Final Fantasy VIII"? That would make sense given the following section, which could be renamed "Other appearances".
• Citations for last paragraph of "Kingdom Hearts" section and the "Other" section?

Not bad overall though. Maybe some more perspective from the creators if that's possible; otherwise, if this is comprehensive, it's approaching FA status. Needs a good copyedit though, and the prose needs to be tightened. --Spangineer^es (háblame) 00:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA thoughts

Someone beat me to the punch, but here is my take;

• images need fair use rationales.
• some sentences repeat themselves in the Kingdom Hearts section.
• the section on the ending of Final Fantasy VIII needs more explanation; I haven't played the game, and it wasn't all clear; how was he in his fathers body?

Overall, GA status is deserved. Give it a good copyedit before FA! :) Judgesurreal777 16:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I think fair use rationales are satisfactory now, the only picture that didn't have it very good was Squall as he appeared in Kingdom Hearts series, and I've corrected it. ILorbb 09:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gackt?

Okay, whoever wrote "Japanese singer known as Gackt has stated that Squall was based on him, there are some facial and style similarites between the two." needs to citate this before this goes back on. Whether Squall bears a resemblance to Gackt or not does NOT make him "based" on him. Until Tetsuya says so, and he said Squall was based on River Phoenix. Seems more like arbitrary fandom than actual truth.

[edit] LIMIT BREAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think people should be aware of Squall's (ROCKSOME) Limit Breaks.

The article contained description of Squall's limit breaks, but it was removed. The reason for this is that Wikipedia is not a gameguide.ILorbb | Talk 07:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)