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South African Scout Association is a current good article nominee. If you have not contributed significantly to this article, feel free to evaluate it according to the good article criteria and then pass or fail the article as outlined on the candidates page. Nomination date: 9 November 2006

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We need somebody with more knowledge in Cubs and in Rovers to fill out those specific sections. I've done what I can with the Scouts section, although I do feel that the advancement badges need a bit more info. Our Advancement system is a unique in the world of Scouting (As far as I can tell) Jediwannabe 07:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Cub programme 2 Article improvement 3 South African Scout Association Peer Review output 4 New PR to review for GA nom

[edit] Cub programme

I've removed the following text from the article onto the talk page:

Could a Pack Scouter (or somebody who knows more about Cubs in SA) please fill in what the Cub program aims for

From what I know, the Cub programme aims to instill and teach in the cubs all the basic skills needed for the time that a cub becomes a scout. Cubbing, sometimes taken lightly, is a vital part of the movement as it is here that the foundations are laid, so that more progressive and intuitive learning can take place in the scouting environment. (Potzen)

Zaian 21:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article improvement

With a longer lead, more refs, and some tweaks, this could easily be a [[WP:GA|Good Article] or even A-class article. If anyone bites, let me know and I'll give the rating a re-look. Rlevse 18:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's move the talk here. For FA, do the lead summary, more footnotes, see if some lists can be converted to prose, and get rid of the 1-2 sentences paragraphs by combining short ones or expanding them; then have me take another look.Rlevse 11:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I've done a little bit more to the lead, added a few footnotes. I'll look into the lists and get rid of those short paragraphs. One thing I'm thinking about is possibly moving the history and Scout program sections into seperate daughter articles, do you think it will improve the quality of the article? I'll let you know when I think it's ready to be re-evaluated. Jediwannabe 08:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South African Scout Association Peer Review output

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You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Rlevse 21:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, i've basically rewritten large portions of the article, resorted it and reduced the size of the table of contents, and lots else. Any other suggestions? Jediwannabe 07:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New PR to review for GA nom

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• Per WP:MOSNUM, please spell out source units of measurements in text; for example, the Moon is 380,000 kilometres (240,000 mi) from Earth.
• Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)
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You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Rlevse 20:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC) Rlevse 20:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)