Talk:Seudat mitzvah

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[edit] Make article encyclopedic

Hi WAS, I like your edit, but I'm wondering if we should make it more encyclopedic. ;-D It currently "It's sort of a way of showing you've got it done, and being happy for it." Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 05:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] From Seudah article

From Talk:Seudah

This article should be combined with or re-directed to Seudat mitzvah because all that the word "seudah" really means in Hebrew is "meal" and what would stop anyone from including "seudat boker" (breakfast) and "seudat laiyla" (supper/dinner) into the article? The editors are assuming that everyone would be approaching this topic from a religious perspective, which is not true. On the other hand, Seudat mitzvah includes any kind of religious meal, it's broader than the article on "Seudahh" alone implies, not as the article describes and limits it. A Seudat Havra'ah etc is also a seudat mitzvah. IZAK 19:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, it's true, all these meals are considered "Seudat mitzvah". On the other hand, I think it's most common to refer to the wedding, bris, etc. meals as "Seudat mitzvah", and have special names for the others (e.g. Shabbos Seudah, Yom Tov Seudah, Seudas Purim). I'm leaning towards merging. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know which is the best route, but I'll go with whatever the consensus ends up being. All I can say is great minds think alike, leave it to Slim to beat me to the article 7 months before me : ) --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 22:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Yours is a proper article, MP, mine is just a stub (though I agree about great minds). ;-) I'll go along with whatever people decide too. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Agree with IZAK and Sarah, but MPerel's article is more elaborate. I support a merge here. JFW | T@lk 20:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with IZAK about making Seudat mitzvah the main article and Seudah the redirect. Re Jayjg's comment, those other seudot that you mention, like Seudat Purim and Seudot Tisha B'Av, could be highlighted under separate headings, but they are all seudat mitzvah. Yoninah 22:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Ditto to Jay. Seudahs fixed in the calender are rarely called seudot mitzvah. On the other hand, IZAK is right that generic meals are called seudot, and those generic meals also have religious significance (e.g. due to birkat hamazon) that might be worth addressing. HKT 11:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok all, as the consensus seemed to be to merge, I went ahead and did so, making quite a few changes along the way. Please comment, or make corrections, additions, improvements. : ) --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 07:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

1. Article looks great.
2. Seudah Shlishit should probably be a subsection of Shabbat and Yom Tov meals.
3. Instances of "HaShem" should be replaced with "God".
4. Hebrew words should be in italics, unless they are commonly used in English.
5. Zemirot etc. are sung at all Shabbat meals, not just Seudah Shlishit.
6. It's quite common not to eat bread at Seudah Shlishit, but make it a lighter meal of various cakes etc. (though according to halakha one really should eat bread). Lubavitch has a specific custom of not eating bread at this meal.

-- Jayjg ^(talk) 19:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm very happy with the collaborative effort on this article. I think it has turned into/is turning into quite a nice piece, thanks to all the capable persons involved. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 04:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)