Talk:Screenshot

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Should the how-tos on screenshots be moved to wikibooks? --Faradn

I think so yes, i rewrote the intro to something a lot better, i also wrote alot of new tutorials about how to capture screens such as in xwd(1), however wikipedia articles should be aimed at someone willing to familiarice themselves with the subject, it is not a how-to, which this page has become. So yes, i agree with you that it should be moved, however i dont know where yet, perhaps in some yet-to-be-written book about common computer concepts and hot to apply them Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 15:15, 2004 May 6 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Reverting by Patrick 1.1 Original text 1.2 Rewritten text 1.3 What you would write 1.4 Questions 2 Response 3 Full-screen 4 Cute 5 Pre-Mac OS X screenshots 6 videos 7 Small question... 8 Copyright section 9 Bad advice? 10 Making screenshots of videos 11 WinDVD doesn't use Overlays? 12 Format NPOV 13 Consoles? 14 Pixelmetric website 15 Screen capture digital 16 A third way to turn off the overlay in Microsoft Windows ...

[edit] Reverting by Patrick

Patrick, you reverted my edits here citing "rv some unexpl deletions", however i fail to understand how i did not make it clear what i was doing here by saying "Almost a complete rewrite [...]".

You see, there is a big difference between deleting something and rewriting it, let's take a simple example to further explain this, i'll make up a sample text thats similar to the text on Screenshot but has different content:

[edit] Original text

Mary has:

• A little lamb
• a flute

[edit] Rewritten text

Now, if i were to rewrite it it would be somewhat like this:

Mary has a little lamb and a flute.

[edit] What you would write

However, if you were to see that you would probably change that to:

Mary has a little lamb and a flute.

Mary has:

• A little lamb
• a flute

You see once a rewrite has been made it is utterly pointless to insert the old text as well as the new text, which is precisely what you did, after your rewert those particular paragraphs you had an issue with the page looked like this: ( bold text inserted by me )

Screenshots, screen dumps or screen captures can be used to demonstrate a program, a particular problem a user might be having or generally when computer output needs to be shown to others or archived, the most common of the three is a screenshot which commonly means outputting the entire screen in a common format such as PNG or JPEG.

Applications:

• demonstrating a program
• making an image file of an image shown by a program, in the case that that program does not have this feature itself; the screenshot can then be cropped to the image itself; a limitation is that for large images that do not fit on the screen one can not store the whole image; however, one can store it in pieces and then paste these together with a graphics editing program. This is rather cumbersome. To reduce this problem one can temporarily set a higher screen resolution.

Sometimes a screenshot does not work on a movie still presented by a movie viewer.

If the system seems frozen one may be looking at a full-screen screenshot image.

A screen dump is when the display system dumps what it is using internally upon request, such as XWD X Window Dump image data in the case of X11 or PDF in the case of Mac OS X. Finally a screen capture commonly means to capture the screen over an extended period of time to form a Video file.

Here is the current text:

Screenshots, screen dumps or screen captures can be used to demonstrate a program, a particular problem a user might be having or generally when computer output needs to be shown to others or archived, the most common of the three is a screenshot which commonly means outputting the entire screen in a common format such as PNG or JPEG, a screen dump is when the display system dumps what it is using internally upon request, such as XWD X Window Dump image data in the case of X11 or PDF in the case of Mac OS X. Finally a screen capture commonly means to capture the screen over an extended period of time to form a Video file.

[edit] Questions

1. Why did you insert the same statement about demonstrating a program in again, it was already in the above paragraph.
2. In what way were my deletions of redundant content unexpl ( probably unexplained in proper english, elaborate if it is some as of yet unknown word ).

Granted, i deleted some things which i thought were totally pointless to put there, such as "If the system seems frozen one may be looking at a full-screen screenshot image". I dont know about you, but that just doesnt sound like something that should be in an article about screenshots. Why do you feel the need to explain to people that if they open a screenshot on their computer, then try to click on items on the screen their computer is in fact not unresponsive, they are just clicking at an image of their previous screen.

Sound redundant to me anyway. Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 16:48, 2004 May 12 (UTC)

[edit] Response

Yes, demonstrating a program need not be put twice, I made a crude repair last week.

The frozen screen remark seems useful to me.

The other deletions you still have not explained at all, they are also useful content and no duplication. Part of it falls in the category "when computer output needs to be archived", but expands on that. If you want to change the formulation we can see whether it is an improvement. If there is something you do not understand, you can ask.

--Patrick 21:56, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Okey, i'll expain it all the way through then:

Applications:

• demonstrating a program

Applications merged, demonstrating a program merged.

• making an image file of an image shown by a program, in the case that that program does not have this feature itself; the screenshot can then be cropped to the image itself; a limitation is that for large images that do not fit on the screen one can not store the whole image; however, one can store it in pieces and then paste these together with a graphics editing program. This is rather cumbersome. To reduce this problem one can temporarily set a higher screen resolution.

This is just wrong in so may ways, it's completely getting outside the whole subject, take an image of a image, crop image, puzzle images togather blablalba

It is on-topic (application of screenshot) and you do not mention any error in it. And it does not say image of an image, but image file of an image.--Patrick 10:12, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Thats not the point, it's badly written

That seems to be a confirmation that your "it's completely getting outside the whole subject" is nonsense. Further you state that is is "wrong in so may ways", but you can not point out any error. Therefore you change to "badly written". If that is the case you should edit it.--Patrick 20:56, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

• Sometimes a screenshot does not work on a movie still presented by a movie viewer.

If you really need to add this merge it below like in ===windows limitations or something

• If the system seems frozen one may be looking at a full-screen screenshot image.

re-ha-illy? ;) maybe we should put some text on Art telling people that if landscapes move too little they may be looking at a landscape painting, in any case these one-liners are redundant and really make the article look unprofessional, if you can put them nicely in a paragraph so they make sense and convey some useful information ( which IMO this is not ) sure, but i think it's just redundant in it's current form

A painting looks different from the real view, so the comparison breaks down.--Patrick 10:12, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Yes, but it's still something thats so painfully obvious that it doesnt belong.

--Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 21:16, 2004 May 14 (UTC)

[edit] Full-screen

How is it possible to take a screen shot of something on your computer that's full-screen? --VolatileChemical 04:45, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What operating system? Linux? --67.172.99.160 18:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Terribly sorry, forgot about this for a few months. Windows, actually. XP. Home edition. --24.66.94.140 20:59, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Windows XP Home edition can take a full screen shot as described in section 2.3 of the article.Clive Harris 10:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cute

The illustrative screenshot of the Wikipedia screenshot article is cutely meta, but it's not the best illustration of a screenshot. It's a little confusing, actually. Maybe somebody could post a screenshot of a desktop?

Good point. There probably are some around. I'll check. — Omegatron 18:25, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

There are tons:

Plus Category:Fair_use_screenshots. Take your pick. We should probably have two or three. Maybe one desktop in one OS, one closeup of a window from another OS, etc. — Omegatron 18:39, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

It's cute, but it's also a self-reference, so should probably be removed. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-Mac OS X screenshots

I have a Mac running System 7 (7.1 to be specific) and I can confirm that you can take screenshots by hitting Cmd + Shift + 3. It saves them in PICT format on the root of the hard drive. If someone can confirm the behaviors of Mac OS 8 and Mac OS 9, I'm sure it would be appreciated. ~ Oni Lukos _c 18:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I've confirmed that Cmd + Shift + 3 works on OS 9.1 and saves in PICT format, but I forgot to try Cmd + Shift + 4 and have not had access to any earlier versions yet. ~ Oni Lukos _c 22:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

⇧⌘3 works in all versions of Mac OS. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] videos

so "screen capture" allows you to record videos of the screen? what software is used for that? i can't find any. — Omegatron 18:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I know Lotus ScreenCam is very old but works fine in Windows 2000. --Mateusc 14:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I've added a new section "Video screen captures", hope it helps. Peter S. 23:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Small question...

For screenshots of XP, OSX, BeOS, Amiga, and so on and so forth one has to display them using the fair use header and have a good reason for them to be up, whereas for KDE, Gnome, etc one doesn't. I get that.

However...

My laptop's screen looks nearly identical to OSX Tiger with a modified wallpaper. There's a dock at the bottom, no recycle bin, it's using Mac-looking icons in the systray, and the windows themselves look like Aqua windows except that the max/min/close buttons are on the righthand side of the window. It's even set up to windowshade things.

I'm running XP Professional (with a few tweaks).

If I took a screenshot of my desktop, would it be considered a shot of software copyrighted by Microsoft, even though I've gone to every effort for the appearance to not be that nasty Chiclets interface XP defaults to?

Or would it be considered to be copyrighted by OSX's Aqua default? But it's NOT a Mac at all, so how could it be? Perhaps as a derived work from Apple's desktop?

I actually have a reason. I was considering some sort of article about desktop customisation, and thought that a screenshot of an XP laptop screen that looks just like OSX would be a good illustration of the concept (especially as mac-faking is one of the most popular applications of desktop customisation, shortly after filling it with bad holiday theme stuff and making it as black as possible).

Aside form all this, I have a raised eyebrow about whether or not Microsoft or Apple can copyright a desktop. Maybe they can copyright a particular screenshot they took themselves, but the desktop is not a creative work and thus not protected by copyright. It's a utilitarian work, no matter how pretty, and, realistically, any claim to have copyright on a desktop is just as absurd as a claim to have copyright on a real physical desktop. Don't get me wrong, I understand that Wikipedia errs on the side of caution, even if it does seem a bit silly sometimes and underscores the idea that all our IP laws need to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch with a mandatory refusal to accept input from Microsoft or Disney.

They can copyright the artwork used within the OS; they can copyright their source code; they might patent some methods, but they can't copyright any specific screenshot you might take because it is not an "original work of authorship" because a human has to author it for it to be subject to copyright protection. What you are looking at when you take a screenshot was "authored" by their code. They might have some possible rights in derivative works if they have copyrights in images on your screen at the time you take the screen shot (perhaps some of the icons); but it's not likely they would pursue them. In any event, it'd probably easily pass fair use if it ever became an issue, but like I said, they more than likely do not have any copyright in any particular screen you might see. Peyna 14:00, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright section

Has there been any court cases over screenshots and/or videos of programs? The article says 'some companies believe...' so that makes me think no, but if so it'd be a good thing to cite. 151.201.218.248 03:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bad advice?

From section 1.3.1 (A Step by Step Guide):

Click the "Save as type" drop-down and select "JPEG (*.JPG;*.JPEG;*.JPE*;.JFIF)".

This is bad advice, in my opinion: it will probably result in some loss of image quality which could likely be conserved in PNG.

I agree - but then the whole "how to" aspect of the article needs to be moved somewhere else. Cpc464 10:56, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Making screenshots of videos

Is there a way to make screenshots of videos (MPG, WMA and AVI files)? Using the standart metod i always end up with a black screenie... --ha-core 08:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I think if you turn off some hardware acceleration prefs in windows, it will work. Peter S. 10:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

See Screencast, also made redirects for Screen Recorder and Screen Recording. Awildman 18:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WinDVD doesn't use Overlays?

In the article it says that certain players don't require hardware overlays to be on, and WinDVD is listed as one of those programs. However, when I turn overlays off, it says that it can't compile the overlay (Obviously), and that the file won't run. It suggest lowering the screen resolution and color compression, which didn't make any difference when I'd done them. Are you sure that the article is accurate in its statement? If it is, what am I doing wrong? JBK405 05:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Format NPOV

I take issue with the statement "("GIF" and the other three bitmap types are often not suitable for full-color screenshots because they discard color information; "JPEG" is never suitable for screenshots because it blurs borders.)" for two reasons. Not all users run at bit depths above 8bpp, so a GIF file may be more than suitable for certain environments. Other bitmap types can contain full 24bpp data, so the statement is doubly false. Additionally, a screen may not contain GUI elements or other high-contrast, line-art elements that are poorly handled by JPEG wavelet compression. Any objections to removing this line? Alvis 04:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consoles?

This article doesn't make a single mention of anything about consoles (phones, TVs, Playstations, Gamecubes, Xboxes, etc.), and yet I see screenshots off Atari 5700's all over the place! I think someone should add a section about consoles. I see screenshots of them everywhere (try taking a look at IGN or GameSpy). --[[User:Red Pooka|<span style="border: 1px; border-style:solid; padding:0px 2px 2px 2px; color:red; background-color:yellow; font-weight:bold">Red</span>[[User talk:Red Pooka|<span style="border: 1px; border-style:solid; padding:0px 2px 2px 2px; color:yellow; background-color:red; font-weight:bold">Pooka</span>]]]] 15:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to see something on how to screen capture from consoles. I would also like to see how to screen capture from a Nintendo DS.

[edit] Pixelmetric website

This article was strewed with external links in the text leading to tutorials on the website of Pixelmetrics, a commercial package to make screenshots. I removed all the references. Husky ^{(talk page)} 19:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screen capture digital

I see no comment on capture of digital display images. I used GrabClipSave analog but it won't capture digital. My system is digital graphics card and digital LCD.

[edit] A third way to turn off the overlay in Microsoft Windows ...

... is to first start another application which will hog the overlay (e.g. Show a movie on Windows media Player) , then start the application from which you want to capture the screenshot (e.g a video on Win DVD). This technique is especially useful for sports action as the captured image is de-interlaced. My thanks to Chiew Heng Wah http://www.codeproject.com/audio/capvidscrn.asp Clive Harris 17:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)