Talk:Saint James the Great
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To User:Viajero:
How is linking to placenames named after Saint James wrong? I think the links provide good information. -- Error 02:37, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Saint James Patron of Chile?
According to my references (what i've learned at school and sunday mass) the patron of Chile the Blessed Virgin Mary (as Virgen del Carmen o Nuestra Señora del Carmen) instead of Saint James. Saint James could be the patron of Santiago de Chile, but Santiago no es Chile ;-)
If I'am wrong, pls correct me, otherwise I intend to correct the article. Baloo rch 21:25, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Dating Cuzco painting
The good new image of Sant'Iago of the Cuzco school of colonial Peru is 18th century. A quite different, more iconic, bejewelled and hieratic 17th century approach to Saint James can be seen in this Cuzco painting: the contrast in styles is self-evident. His wide-brimmed hat is 18th century, too; such fine straw "Panama hats" are still made in the northern part of Peru, today called Ecuador. --Wetman 08:32, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "...also called Saint James of Compostela"
I never heard that St. James was called 'of Compostela'. Santiago de Compostela is the city in Spain. It is thought to mean 'campus stellae', that is, 'star field', or maybe 'compositum', 'graveyard', and that is clearly referred to a place, not a person. --Pinzo 04:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Isn't Saint James, or Sant Iago, called "of Compostela" because that's where his shrine is? The city named for the shrine. Cf. Saint Martin of Tours, etc. A help to the reader. --Wetman 07:58, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't think so, the city is "Santiago de Compostela" but this doesn't change the name of the saint. There is a "Santiago de Chile" also, and you don't call him St. James of Chile!!!. Martin_of_Tours was so called because he was bishop of Tours, but when St. James died Compostela didn't even exist. --Pinzo 01:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
- Why, of course it is the same Sant Iago: doubtless in English it would have been more correct to have said Saint James in Compostela. Similarly it's the same "Our Lady" wherever located, but it may be useful to distinguish her at Guadelupe from her at Fatima. But isn't it useful for the reader as it stands? If not, edit the opening to serve the reader better. --Wetman 06:34, 5 August 2005 (UTC)--Wetman
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- There are a lot of cities in the world named after St. James, but that doesn't change his name. He is known as St. James the Great or St. James the Moor-Slayer or St Iago, or Santiago etc; but he is NOT known as St. James of Compostela, this is something I had never heard before and AFAIK is just wrong.
- The fact that there is a city named after him and the word 'compostela' is irrelevant here, in the header. There is the link and an explanation later in the text (maybe a See also would be useful).
- The situation of "Our Lady" is an exception, because St. Mary is treated almost as a different person in every place she is venerated, she sometimes takes the name of that place.
- I would delete the offending words again, and add a nice See also if you agree... :-/ --Pinzo 01:19, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
- Saint Nicholas of Cusa is also Saint Nicholas of Bari. And in precisely the same way, familiarly identified by the places where he is most venerated... or is he an "exception" too? Keep the reader in mind, and connect "James" and "Compostela" in whatever fashion suits your personal point-of-view, so that the reader knows which James is being referred to. As for "offending" words and the rest, it's only arguing over a phantom after all, like St George. --Wetman 01:49, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Ok, maybe another exception... Anyway, let's put it simple: According to the Catholic Encyclopedia St. Nicholas of Myra is also called St. Nicholas of Bari, ok; but about St. James the Greater it doesn't give any alternate name. Do you have any reference where he (the saint) is called of Compostela?. Because this is the first and only place where I heard of it. BTW, in the CE he is the Greater not the Great, And that makes sense, since the other St. James, is the Lesser. --Pinzo 05:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
- Well, if no more arguments I will delete it again, ok? --Pinzo 00:16, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
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- Saint James of Compostela is now a redirect here, the better to serve the Wikipedia reader. --Wetman 04:54, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
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- That's ok to me. Done. --Pinzo 20:16, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] San Diego
Diego is Spanish for James. Santiago is also a version of San Diego. The comment on the page that it is not the same is incorrect.evrik 19:26, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Diego is not James
"Santiago" is not a shortened version of "San Diego". Diego was/is a Saint in his own right. Interestingly, Diego was at one time a varient of Santiago, see http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/83fall/sandiego.htm but they are two different saints entirely.
[edit] Iago is Diego is James
- In Old-Spanish, perhaps, but no longer. 18:56, 12 January 2006 [12.47.174.185]
- I think that St. James pre-dates old spanish ... evrik 15:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Images
Is there a general preference for wither of these two images?
- Cross not the sword. --evrik 16:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- My preference is for the Swords shaped cross. (but than again I put it up a while ago; I fashioned it after the souvenir pictures sold in northern spain).Arnoutf 19:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
In Spain, one would only recognise the sword-ended cross as that of St. James. The other one has nothing to do with it. The idea behind it was "¡Santiago y cierra España!"- a battle-cry used in the Reconquest. St. James is usually depicted as leading the Cristian armies into battle, hence the sword.--Guille 08:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Couild someone more able than me please change the cross on the page for the red sword-shaped one on the discussion page? Or is it only the Spanish that recognise that one as the cross of Santiago?Guille 00:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I did that once, but it was taken off again. Put it up once more. Arnoutf 09:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bull
Removed from the main article for discussion
- Thus the possibility that the relics at Santiago de Compostela predate the cult there of St James is no longer open to discussion for believing Roman Catholics. (The New Catholic Encyclopedia of 1966 has this to say: "The genuineness of the relics at Santiago de Compostela, his famous shrine in Spain, is seriously disputed despite the fact that Pope Leo XIII referred to them as authentic in his bull Omnipotens Deus in 1884." Apparently the discussion is still open.)
[edit] Santiago WL in "Sanit James and Hispania"
I decided to remove the WikiLink to Santiago in that particular spot. The only other "Santiago" that needs to be linked to in this article is Santiago de Compostela; Santiago itself only contains a little blurb about this article before redirecting back here, and anyone who uses that particular WL will already have learned it all from this article. SingCal 03:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] United States?
How is he the Patron Saint of the United States? 67.188.172.165 00:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
