User talk:RalphLender

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[edit] Advocates for Children in Therapy

I see you've reverted Sarner's edits and he hasn't reverted back. Disagreeing strongly with you is something I can't do anything about. If it turns into a revert war, or he starts acting incivil or something, that's different. But I'm not the only admin around here; you can always take it to WP:ANI or WP:3RR yourself. Mangojuice^talk 21:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• I've made a series of edits to the page in question, which I expect will please absolutely nobody, but which I feel better adheres to NPOV, the manual of style, and Wikipedia guidelines in general. Feel free to check it out. -- H·G (^words/_works) 07:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Ralph. Thanks. It does appear that there is a double standard involved. For example in the Barrett article everything has to be well referenced ,even to the standard of court documents otherwise the so-called anti-quackery editors cry foul and delete everything on sight. Interestingly when they contribute to article on Hulda Clark or people they disapprove of, there is no such requirement for solid references. In fact in many cases there is none provided...NATTO 20:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your observation

That is an interesting observation...maybe it does bear looking into further DPeterson^talk 21:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

OKRalphLender^talk 13:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop your "vandalism" warnings on my user talk page

As you know, you have recently posted two vandalism warnings on my user talk page. Please stop. I have not been vandalizing anything on Wikipedia, but making good faith edits. I once had an administrator caution me about bringing false charges of vandalism. He said:

Now to answer your concern about vandalism reporting: vandalism is the kind of edit that no one should have a disagreement about. Here are a couple of examples of true vandalism: [1] [2] [3]. Edits other people want to make and you don't like are not vandalism, and it's a kind of incivility, if not a downright personal attack to describe someone's good faith edits as vandalism.

Larry Sarner 23:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation over Advocates for Children in Therapy

You have been listed as an involved party in Advocates for Children in Therapy, and I have accepted the case at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-07 Advocates for Children in Therapy. If you can please take a look at the case and let us hear your side, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Nwwaew(My talk page) 19:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Candace Newmaker page

I think you should reconsider the revert you just did to the Candace Newmaker page. In my opinion it is completely unjustified and damaging, and you should undo it. Larry Sarner 20:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

As recommended by several other editors, you have been asked to stop reverting from the consensus version to your own. Since you've rejected taking a poll and various other Wikipedia dispute resolution procedures; let me suggest another option. Instead of merely reverting to your version and deleting material that others find acceptable, how about if you just 'ADD' what you think would improve the article first, get a consensus on that and then begin discussions about what you think should be chnaged or delted and build consensus for that? RalphLender^talk 13:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your request

Sorry, but this is too complicated a situation for me to simply step in and make a ruling. You should work it out amongst yourselves, but if that is proving difficult, you should follow the steps in Wikipedia dispute resolution. Mangojuice^talk 00:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please

Don't make 3RR reports like you did on User:Sarner. It's only a violation if they go *beyond* 3 reverts. Thanks. --Woohookitty^(meow) 10:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advocacy request

Ralph, I've agreed to take on your request for advocacy. Give me a little time to look through the history of the dispute, and I should be able to offer you some suggestions. Thanks, TheronJ 14:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• I've posted my initial thoughts at User:TheronJ/Advocacy/RalphLender. If you don't mind, can you take a look at them and respond there? Thanks, TheronJ 14:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• Ralph, it looks to me as if Shotwell is withdrawing from the DDP-related disputes.[4] Based on that, I think there's nothing more to do on your advocacy, but will be happy to keep going if there is anything else you would like to discuss. I apologize for not making much progress on the issue before it resolved, but am glad it went well for you. Let me know your thoughts, TheronJ 14:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Since he is withdrawing and the pages will remain the same, I think we are done for now. I appreciate your help and will complete the followup section of the advocacy request form. Again, thank you. RalphLender^talk 22:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conversation from Bowlby

The RFCU was denied because it was filed under a code letter that requires diffs (links to evidence) of vandalism. No evidence was presented and the request was subsequently rejected. This was not an affirmation of the vandalism accusation -- it was a mere rejection.

I said it constitutes a personal attack because the allegation you posted on the Bowlby page has been reasserted several times on multiple pages (all with the same misguided logic). I've previously pointed out the misguided nature of this accusation, yet I still see it popping up.

I believe that you have a fundamental misconception concerning the term "vandalism" on wikipedia. You've accused multiple people of vandalism when they were making good-faith edits (myself included). Perhaps you should read WP:VANDAL, if you haven't already. The term 'vandalism' is highly loaded here. Notice that the first two warning templates for vandalism don't even mention the word 'vandalism'. If you'd like to see some real vandalism, I suggest doing RC patrol for a short while. shotwell 23:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I made a silly error above. The second warning does mention vandalism ("adding nonsense is considered vandalism"). However, it does not directly accuse the person of being a vandal. shotwell 23:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

And I never accused Sarner of being a Vandal. I do point out that he has a history of disruptive edits on the Bowlby and other artcles and was blocked from the Bowlby article for a while because of his actions/behavior. Pointing out these actions is not a personal attack, I don't think. RalphLender^talk 23:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw the accusation of vandalism as being implicit to the repeated assertion that RFCU made a "finding of vandalism". I'm not really talking about when you bring up his "history". I was specifically referring to the vandalism accusations. shotwell 00:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The comments were put on several pages since the statement by the reviewer seemed clear and seemed to apply to his actions in a general way and would be important for other editors/mediators, etc. to be made aware of as a point of information. RalphLender^talk 12:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schizophrenia article

Hi Ralph, I certainly think a request to unblock the article is a good idea. I guess it's a case of just wait and see what happens after that. If the blanking continues, despite consensus to the contrary, I don't think there's much option but to put in a vandalism notice. - Vaughan 22:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. RalphLender^talk 19:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)