Template talk:Professional Football
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[edit] Minor League
What's the definition of "minor league" football (i.e. what's the distinction from "professional")? They're not exactly exclusive concepts. Professional usually just means "paid", perhaps distinguishd from "semi-professional" in that they pay equivalent to a full-time salary or better (or something like that). I'm thinking specifically of the Canadian Football League What's a WP:NPOV way to make that distinction? It could be argued that the CFL is a professional league. I think it's quite a POV thing to say the NFL is the only pro league. --Bdoserror 22:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Template Name
I think this template should probably specify "American Football" or some other appropriate distinguishing name to clarify that it's not what the rest of the world outside of North America and Australia calls "football". --Bdoserror 22:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] European (and Japanese) leagues
I think that this should be just "Non-North American leagues", in case others come up. --Bdoserror 22:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Quality of this template
This template needs some serious clean-up before it should be pasted on every relevant page. For one, if it's about professional football, why are semi-pro and amateur leagues listed? "NFL Europe" isn't even spelled right. The header isn't centered. Nothing wrong with the concept, it just needs work. -- Mwalcoff 00:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Not that it's particularly important, but if you go to the official website, it is "NFL Europa" now, not "NFL Europe". --Bdoserror 17:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'll be darned, you're right. -- Mwalcoff 02:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Template name
This template needs to be moved for two reasons - A: Capitalisation and B: For 95% of the World "Professional football" means something else entirely. Jooler 08:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
Template:Professional Football → [[Some other name]] — Globalisation Jooler 12:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
- Add * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''' on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
- Oppose. This is not the Main namespace. No particularly good reasons for the move have been made here. However, I could well support a move to delete this template, as being too huge and intrusive on the articles in which it is found, being largely useless as a navigation tool, and to the extent it does serve a purpose, being redundant with and better served by good use of categories and wikilinks. Gene Nygaard 14:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support - move to Template:Professional american football as more descriptive and to avoid any confusion with soccer. BlueValour 18:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support - There are two sports known widely as football and the one also known as soccer is more widely known as football in the world than American football, hence why FIFA is the Federation of international football associations (or the equivalent in French). The template Template:Professional Football should be re-titled to avoid confusion. --Chappy84 21:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support. The name is not in sync with Wikiproject football. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 21:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support Though cumbersome, the name really should be named "Professional American Football Leagues", to be in line with the current conventions already well established here at wikipedia. --Jayron32 04:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - probably Professional American football leagues for correct caps. BlueValour 22:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support as football means soccer in an international context. DoubleBlue (Talk)
[edit] Discussion
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- This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related page moves. BlueValour 18:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Remove CFL from the template
The consensus at Wikipedia is that the CFL is not a minor league, it is the highest professional league for the play of Canadian Football, which is considered as a seperate, though similar, code of Football from American Football. For an analogy, see the way that Rugby Union and Rugby League are treated. Any references to the CFL or other canadian football leagues should be removed from a template dealing with American Football. --Jayron32 04:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I see that User:TonyTheTiger has re-added the CFL to the template under it's own heading. I think we need to clarify what this template is trying to represent and see if it then makes sense for the CFL to appear.--Bdoserror 19:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- The CFL link should be removed and the user should be directed to take the issue up at the talk page. I am no good at technical stuff like template mark-up, but if someone could please remove it, and leave both an edit summary and a comment on Tony's talk page about this, we may be able to reach consensus on how to handle this. I personally would not mind to see the template titled "Professional football in North America" with seperate categories and links for Canadian, American, Arena, and Association (soccer) leagues at the major, minor, and semi-professional levels. --Jayron32 21:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
