Talk:Power set

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"The power set of the set of natural numbers for instance can be put in a one-to-one correspondence with the set of real numbers (by identifying an infinite 0-1 sequence with the set of indices where the ones occur)."

The actual bijection should be more complicated. This one doesn't work because both 0.01111111111111... and 0.1 represent the same number (1/2), but they refer to different sets {x ∈ N: x>0} and {0}. The nicest thing is that in this very case they are the complement of each other! (anon forgot to sign)

That's right. Oleg Alexandrov 18:06, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Huh? I don't get it. I'm not a math pro, but the bijection actually sounds fine to me. What I don't understand specifically in you argument is, how does 0.1 represent 1/2 and not 1/10? I take that the bijection was proposed with 0-1 sequences built as real numbers in decimal notation. Again, I'm not an expert, so I'm really asking this not to question your knowledge, but to learn more. Thanks. LodeRunner 16:43, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

That gives you a bijection between the powerset of N and the set of all reals (between 0 and 1) that have decimal expansions containing only the digits 0 and 1. That's by no means all the reals (even between 0 and 1). --Trovatore 16:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I misread the original sentence as trying to point out that the cardinality of the reals was >= than that of the power set of the naturals (I focused on what it proved instead of what it was saying it proved). Thanks for the clarification! LodeRunner 21:47, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

In fact, there must be a bijection between the powerset of and all the real numbers: . Rotring 14:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, here you're assuming the continuum hypothesis, which may not be true (in fact, among set theorists who think it's a meaningful question whether it's true or not, more think it's not true than that it is). But you don't need CH to show that there's a bijection between the reals and the powerset of the naturals; you can find one explicitly, by finding injections both ways (not difficult) and then applying the methodology of the Schröder–Bernstein theorem. --Trovatore 05:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] application and use

I think it would be very useful for someone to include

1. the reason the power set was developed
2. the way power sets are used in practice or in higher math
3. and how the power set relates to other topics

unfortunately, i don't know enough about power sets to even begin to write about these things. I would personally be appreciative of anyone wanting to add those. Fresheneesz 01:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

You raise excellent points. Unfortunately I probably won't get to them soon. Anyone else who's interested might point out the way the set of all real numbers can be coded up by the powerset of the naturals, and might discuss how, without the powerset axiom, we can't prove the existence of uncountable sets. See also Hartogs number. --Trovatore 03:00, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Is there a norm for posting code?

Hi: I've checked the FAQ and wandered through various help-type pages w/o success. I just finished writing Microsoft Excel-based Visual Basic for Application code to generate the power set (and subsets) for a set S.

Is there any documented guideline on adding such code to the wikipedia and if so the style/form for doing so?

Thanks.Tusharm 22:11, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

My intuitive reaction is it doesn't really belong in this article. The thrust of this article is set-theoretic, which means the primary interest is infinite sets; no offense intended, but I doubt your program really works for those :-). But more generally, it's specific to a programming language, and I think that's not really the right thing for an article about an abstract concept. Maybe you could put it on Wikisource or Wikicommons, and put a link there from this article. --Trovatore 22:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I'd reached the same conclusion (though not through the same reasoning vis-a-vis infinite sets {grin}) about the appropriateness of adding language-specific code here.Tusharm 14:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

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℘ (U+2118 SCRIPT CAPITAL P) redirects here, but it seems to also be used for Weierstrass's elliptic functions. Should there be a disambig page at ℘ instead? --Abdull 20:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Would be a good idea I would think. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)