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Contents 1 TV.com as a reliable source 2 YYYY-MM-DD? 3 Koragg/Leanbow/Defender blah 4 Episode Airdates 5 Power Ranger ethnicity 6 Recent Vandal 7 Necrolai/Itassus/Matoombo 8 Magical Beings List 9 Spelling 10 Udonna's helmet 11 Calindor's Mystic Title 12 Photo request 13 Mystic Mother = Rita Repulsa?!?!

[edit] TV.com as a reliable source

I have had a change negated again, stating that TV.com is not a reliable source. This is the exact quote from the editing page for the Mystic Force episode area:

"If there are episodes added here that are not listed on TV.com's page, they will be deleted and you will be warned for deliberately introducing false information into this article.

Main article: List of Power Rangers: Mystic Force episodes

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This specifically states that TV.com is a reliable source for corroboration of an episode's status. Unless the admin changes that wording, my change can stand and should not be altered as that change itself should be considered vandalism.

Thank you.

The problem with using TV.com as a reliable source is that the three main people who have control over that article, and who put up the episode titles (and one of which is the one who got those titles through their press connections in the first place) rose a GIGANTIC stink here and on various PR message boards when we claimed the Operation Overdrive logo wasn't fair to use since it didn't have a reliable source. You can read the bulk of those discussions on the OO Talk page. The episode page for MF saying that should have been changed immediately after that discussion fully ended, and why it wasn't, I'll never know. Arrow 19:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. It's better to use TV Guide (which is rarely wrong) and the television commercials to gauge when a new episode airs. Right now, we don't know anything about the airdate of episode 30 from a source that isn't someone who has press connections. Ryūlóng 21:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

My point is that this wikipedia page specifically stated that TV.com was a source to be relied upon as episode verification. That is until that statement was removed by Ryulong.Me 22:39, 4 October 2006 (CST)

And we had decided it was wrong and never had the chance to change it until you brought it to our attention. Please stop being disruptive about this. Ryūlóng 04:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YYYY-MM-DD?

Why on earth is this page using such a format? In the interests of catering to our internationl readers, I always prefer to write out the entire date instead of getting into edit wars and confusion over the numerical DD-MM or MM-DD format (like if it's supposed to be March 2 or February 3). Today, however, that edit was blindly reverted (even though I had done other work, such as proseifying the damn trivia section), so I'm wondering about it. Hbdragon88 06:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

m:Dynamic dates Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and when you rewrote the trivia section you accidentally blanked several other sections in the process. Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, that was strange. I guess it probably happened when I was moving the section up to be just under the synposis. Hbdragon88 08:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Koragg/Leanbow/Defender blah

Let's wait for this episode to air before we start putting Leanbow all over the Ranger sections and removing him from the allies sections, okay? —Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, although the promo specifically shows him morphing :/ http://youtube.com/watch?v=7QgNpFrCu_I is a link to the promo =P Myzou 05:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not the promo shows Leanbow morphing is not the issue. The fact is that it hasn't occured in the show, yet, and we don't know any sort of information relating to this "news". How long will it be until the ep airs, anyway? A week? Two weeks? The wiki'll be fine for another week without information that plasters Mr Leanbow all over these pages :P —Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Airdates

Sorry, can't really explain what I mean in the small area they give. The Promo for the finale stated that it would take a week starting November 6th to tell it all. Now, The Return MUST air on the 30th of October, as if the marathon starts the 6th, then chances are, it will start with the first episode again, not with a new episode. Which leaves the only open monday (as said in "The Return" Promo), the 30th., Mystic Fate may in fact air on the 13th, but as the promo said the 6th, should be put there until jetix confirms or denies it as the start of the marathon, or the airdate of the finale. If the 30th, The return does not appear, it will be changed to November 6th, as it could possibly air along with the finale, which, if the finale is confirmed to be at the end of the marathon (if there is one, and not just the finale), the date will be changed to the 13th, which would be the next logical point. Hopefully you all understand what I just wrote LOL. (Ryulong, not violating what you said, but Jetix itself released the promos, until proven false by airing on TV, we have to keep it posted, as Jetix has made a major amount of mistakes on their website before, i.e. when they post the wrong episodes, or when they posted an episode for an hour, then it was broken for like 3 days.) Myzou 23:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

New 30 sec promo confirmed the 6th is the start of the marathon and what exactly it is, and stated week long, therefore, the finale is to air on the 13th. Promo can be found here soon, as soon as it's done processing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsVmBIip4UA Myzou 04:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Still no CONFIRMED date for The Return, but as the promo stated Monday, once monday rolls by, if it isn't then, then the date can be changed to the 6th of November, otherwise, its much more likely there was a website error then a TV Promo being aired multiple times error =P Myzou 04:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Was Right for once xD Yay! :D Still gotta wait an hour for it to air here though -.- Myzou 03:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Power Ranger ethnicity

The team also does not feature a Black Power Ranger, a trend started in Ninja Storm.

I've removed this pending clarification: edit summaries aren't a great way to communicate. For one thing, if we're just saying "black" then doesn't the Red Ranger from Ninja Storm qualify? I can't find anything on ethnicity for Brandon Jay McLaren, who plays Jack in S.P.D. Hbdragon88 04:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Shane is Samoan ^^;, Jack is African American, it is the Black ranger that hasn't been in since Ninja Storm, the color, not the ethnicity xD Myzou 04:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

So then it should be decapitalized. Hbdragon88 05:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, for some reason, the color of the ranger tends to be capitalized, while ethnicity is decapitalized (makes no sense, but thats how it is in article)

Tommy Oliver?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Because it refers to a specific ranger. White and black do not refer to a specific ethnicity; Caucasian, African-American, Asian, Filipino, etc. all do. Hbdragon88 04:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Tommy was the Black Dino Ranger in Dino Thunder, which was after Ninja Storm. The sentence is false.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Vandal

Sorry, just gotta ask, I just recently realized that the vandalizism of adding "Deltora Warrior" to the page is coming from multiple IPs... I'm not tech savvy so yea, which is why I'm askin =P If in the future he continues to vandalize it witht he same things, is it even possible to block him since he is using multiple IPs? :/ Myzou 23:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

It depends. I'll look into it if he starts up again tomorrow.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem solved for the Deltora Warrior and the episode dates.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Necrolai/Itassus/Matoombo

Posting here in case anyone doesn't like this, as without them, the rangers would've lost (not really matoombo, but was shown at end with vida), I believe they deserve to be in the allies. Also, is it safe to assume the tribunal turned Necrolai into the queen vampire, based on "We did what we had to do" from Dark Wish, after possible seeing the future and knowing what she would have to do? Myzou 22:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes on the Terrors, no on Necrolai.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Confused myself xD, So yes on those 2 terrors being in allies, but no to necrolai being there, or no to the necrolai and tribunal thing? =P Myzou 06:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

No on the tribunal, and after more thought, it'd probably be be best to leave all the characters where they are, and merely mention they have joined the other side.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

If you did that, wouldn't you have to move Leelee and the others who changed back too? :/ To keep with continuity, as She was evil at first, but then became an ally, just like Necrolai, Matoombo, and Itassus? Myzou 08:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Leelee switched sides earlier. Necrolai, Matoombo, and Itassus were all in the finale, more or less.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Still, They ended up being good just like Leelee, why would they still be labeled as Villains? :/ Myzou 19:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, Matoombo was good before, as well as Itassus, yes Necrolai was only shown to be good for 2 episodes, but we know she has been contemplating things (based on her actions towards Sculpin and such.), not to mention Leanbow was only a ranger 3 episodes, so how is 3 episodes so much bigger then 2? ^^; I understand you didnt change it, just clarifying my point. If Necrolai is moved to Villains, Leanbow should be moved to allies ^^; Myzou 00:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about not replying here. All three were evil until the finale, as they all were in Magiranger with similar lengths. Leanbow's transformation into a Ranger is a much more drastic change than becoming good at the last possible moment. The same characters are listed in these various positions in the articles for their Japanese counterparts. Isamu/Wolzard has entries under the Ozu Family and Infershia. Vancuria/Nai & Mea has an entry under Infershia only. Sphinx and Titan have entries under Infershia Pantheon only. Kat was only a Ranger for a single episode, and she also has her own entries as a Ranger (and an ally).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

"Leanbow's transformation into a Ranger is a much more drastic change than becoming good at the last possible moment." Sorry, but since when was Necrolai considering settling down with Leelee in Briarwood about 20 episodes back not the beginning of something? Matoombo and Itassus were both good beforehand, which is why theyre in both, but Necrolai should be in allies. Cause as I stated before, she was showing signs of turning good WAY before the finale, people just didn't notice it. (Watch some of the older episodes, and watch her reactions to some of the orders the terrors give her.) Myzou 07:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I know some of this, but all of the characters are generally thought of as belonging to the single allliance that they were with most. Necrolai was with the villains for the longest time, and Itassus and Matoombo are both part of the Ten Terrors, all of which are villains. It can be mentioned that they switch sides in their respective mentions at their articles, like it is done for Magiranger (if it were possible, we could rename the Villains article so that its side neutralish, but they didn't have a name).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Gotta ask, name one act of evil that Matoombo commited against the RANGERS (Leanbow was Koragg at the time he attacked him, that would constitute him being under the villains, same with Itassus, when both were asked to stop attacking they did (Yes, they convinced Itassus because she was a puppet, but still, she was asked and she stopped, not to mention without her, Nick and Vida would've been destroyed by Serpentina a few episodes back.) Why not move Nikki Pimvare to allies and leave Necrolai in villains as a compromise? Myzou 07:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I have not had the chance to see the episodes before the finale (I did see Mystic Fate, though). What we could use right now is some sort of unifying name for the villains of PRMF, but there was none. Similar to Infershia, which covers all side switching that existed in Magi. And there is not much that can be said about Nikki other than "Necrolai called herself this after she lost her powers and became human" I would think. It would probably be possible to give Necrolai her own article (she has enough biographical information and whatnot) and then mention there about her side switching and all of that, yet keeping her in both the villain and character categories. There is a similar discussion at Talk:Koragg the Knight Wolf about his page's status and why it remains as it is.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, they've said Underworld minions and servants multiple times, and isn't Underworld pretty much the same thing as Infershia (when talking about groups) Myzou 07:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I mean a canon name. They were never given one.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Still, I think that they should somehow be related to the allies section, if not really in there, their descriptions really don't point towards that. & about the necrolai article, I would do that, but I still don't know how to make wiki pages o.o;; (I'm an idiot like that xD) Myzou 01:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Just so you know, that wasn't me who edited it in, so obviously there are others who feel the way I do o.o; Myzou 04:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magical Beings List

I was thinking of adding a section to the main PR: Mystic Force article showing a list of the various Magical and Mythical Beings and Creatures that are shown and mentioned in this show. There was a similar section in the article concerning one of my other favorite tv shows: American Dragon: Jake Long although the section began to grow and expand so much that it was eventually made into a seperate article on its own. I would like to know what everyone's opinions on this are Unknown Dragon 00:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, how many magical beings do we have?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

There are quite a few, Trolls, Goblins, (Troblins) Dragons, Fairies, Titans (The Ancient and Mystic Titans and Matoombo), etc... Here's the main article that gave me the idea: List of magical creatures and characters in American Dragon: Jake Long, I was thinking of doing something similar, only on a smaller scale. So what does everyone think of this? Unknown Dragon 01:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Ugh... That's because Jake Long is supposed to be like that. I don't think it's necessary to have such a list for this article, as it's not the focus of the series.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

I was just wondering about the spelling of "Leanbow." The closed captions always have it as "Alianbow." I was just curious about which is canon.

In the credits at the end, his name was spelled as "Leanbow." Closed captioning had "Alianbow" and when you hear it, it's hard to figure out how it is spelt. We are going by the end credits spelling.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Udonna's helmet

I was watching the Mystic Force marathon, and noticed that Udonna's White Ranger helmet is a modified version of Maddie's Mystic Mermaid head. Would this be considered Trivia? Qilinmon 02:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Pretty sure it isn't, the White Ranger was in Magiranger long before Legend Mode, so pretty sure it was the opposite somewhat ^^; Myzou 02:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I was referring to Maddie's Zord Form, seen below with white ranger, their helmets are the same.

180px|left|thumb|White ranger and Mystic mermaid sport matching helmets

Sorry bout that, by Mystic Mermaid I assumed Legend Mode (too much magiranger FTW!), but, if you notice, the top is less pointed, the eyes arent merged, and a couple other differences ^^; (which of course, just proves they aren't identical), however, I believe this is actually the first time a ranger and a zord do own a modified version of the same helmet, so feel free to add it (Unless Ryulong says no o.o;;):) Myzou 00:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Erm, we're avoiding trivia (and fair use images in non-article spaces :P)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calindor's Mystic Title

I was wondering as how Daggeron is the Solaris Knight, and Leanbow is the Wolf Warrior(and was the Red Mystic), what was Calindor's Mystic Title? Chris Cobb 10 November 2006

He was never given one ^^; He was a student of theirs, so most likely, he was still in training and didn't have "ranger" powers. Myzou 01:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Calindor was not mentioned as a student of Leanbow's like Daggeron, but as a trusted ally and old friend. But in the episode with the Bound Battle, he calls out "Ancient Mystic Mode!", just like Daggeron, to turn into his blue and gold form. So, they may not have mentioned it, but he would have to have one. So, does anyone have any idea of who to contact to found out what it would have been? Also, when they show video of their battle in the past, Daggeron turned into a gold energy ball, and Calindor turned into an orange one. Just wondering if anyone else caught that. Chris Cobb 01:22 12 November 2006

If you have to call someone in Disney, then its not at all important.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

All these other things seem so important to some people, this is just something I wondered about after seeing the show and wanted to know. So, therefore, it is important to me. Chris Cobb 23:15 12 November 2006

Yes, he was called a student, rewatch the episode (I THINK Gatekeeper, not sure), He SPECIFICALLY calls Leanbow and Daggeron MASTER, indicating he was a student. Myzou 07:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Imperious didn't show up until Long Ago. Just sayin' Grz 21:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo request

Surely someone can get a picture of the Power Rangers in action...instead of having to use a wallpaper. Hbdragon88 01:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

There is that one at Mystic Force Power Rangers. Just make another fair use thing for it.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I could go about capturing a picture of all 8 rangers doing the final pose in Mystic Fate if I get the time ^^; Myzou 07:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Give me an hour for that :P—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Done.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Was talking about the one after role call lol, Daggeron is behind the others in that one, only see like 1/4 of his helmet =P Myzou 04:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Just captured this one: http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8508/untitledca9.png If you'd wanna use it instead, it has all of the rangers visible. Myzou 02:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... The one after the rollcall I felt was from Magi. That's why I didn't use it. I'll take a better one.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mystic Mother = Rita Repulsa?!?!

I think so. IamCool316 15:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It's true. If you notice in the scene before the Mystic Mother's appearance, Udonna says "Known as Rita in the dark days." I'm guessing she just retained her magic after Zordon's energy wave turned her to good. I wonder what happened to Zedd then?--WarriorofZarona 18:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not that important. Yes, both the Mystic Mother and Rita Repulsa's Japanese live action actress is the same person, but Disney/the writers decided to make that connection even greater. What happened to Zedd isn't really that important. It's just another plothole and discontinuity.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The Actress died in RL, I believe it was just a tribute to her, ^^;, which is why she wasn't replaced. Myzou 02:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The "tribute" did more damage to the season that they were thinking, Tribunal of Magic's stature got cut down tremendously, and the Rita angle makes no sense without ellaboration. The only thing we know is that it IS Rita Repulsa after the writer of the episode confirmed that in a PM at Rangerboard with a fairly reliable fandom source Dr. R.K.Z

Or everyone just inferred that Udonna spoke of the only Rita in PR canon.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No, Jackie Machard did confirm it through communications on Rangerboard Dr. R.K.Z

Rangerboard is not a reliable source, even if she had somehow been confirmed to be jackie, anyone could've impersonated her, show us proof. Myzou 11:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I know that we all want proof, but even I am inclined to believe that it was really Rita Repulsa. Just putting that out there. - DrachenFyre > YOU! 12:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)