Talk:Post-punk revival

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Contents 1 Disputes 2 !!! 3 Classification 4 Meaning of Punk 5 Post-punk revival? Maybe pop-post-punk? 6 Expanded the history of Post-Punk Revival 7 Problem with a Post-Punk revival article

[edit] Disputes

I added the Disputed message and removed the following comments by 64.21.105.166 that were in the body of the article:

• History of the post-punk revival - "(Note: This article erroneously combines the 'garage-rock revival' of the late '90s and early '00s with bands from the same time period whose sound borrows from the 'post-punk' era. It needs to be rewritten by someone who knows what they're talking about.)"
• The dual meaning of post-punk - "(Note: this entire section is just flat-out incorrect.)"

Note that I don't necessarily agree or disagree with these remarks, but it seemed better to not have them in the body of the article. zztzed 12:47, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Removed the disputed notification of the page until somebody comes along and argues why it should be there: the opinions above are not convincing. --Martin Wisse 12:10, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] !!!

I took !!! off of the list

• Why? I'm inclined to include them: they're part of the dance-punk trend and are more on the lyrical, punk-based end of that genre, making them akin to Liars and the Rapture, who are listed here. Of the three, !!! may take the most from the original post-punkers, if only in terms of percussion and production (PiL, ESG, outsiders like Talk Talk). —Tarnas 03:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• There are editorial comments in the article suggesting a rewrite, it needs those listened to and removed.

• I really agree that chk chk chk (!!!), should remain on this list. They use many of the same instrumental techniques as bands like P.I.L., Bush Tetras, ESG, Liquid Liquid, etc. --FACT50 21:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classification

I think the post-punk revival is more accuately classified as an alternative rock genre rather than a punk rock one, namely because virtually all these bands are indie rock and have no direct connection to punk rock. WesleyDodds 04:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

For the most part you are correct. But there are a whole slew of new bands more inspired by early post-punk that took a cue from the upbeat punk roots of the scene. --FACT50 21:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of Punk

Alternative rock and what it meant sadly died long ago and now you can find Sonic Youth or Dead Kennedys records among many others in almost any shopping mall. Punk rock has a wider and deeper meaning, not only referring to the music, genre or sound, a band can be punk playing with acoustic guitars or synthesizers like Billy Bragg, Devo or some Djs. Just look at The Clash, they were truly punks until the very end although they left the kindergarden shouting back in 1976. RRu 02:16, 27 June 2006

it all depends on how one defines "alternative". in common usage, it means both the nitty gritty artists you mentioned and all the stuff that has happened since grunge which is directly indebted to punk. 67.172.61.222 21:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

The original use of the term Alternative was a reference to mid-80's College Rock. Bands as diverse as New Order, Love and Rockets, Pixies, R.E.M., U2, The Go-Betweens, The Pogues, Big Audio Dynamite, etc. It wasn't until the early 90's post-grunge period that it was used to describe any form of rock music that MTV cared to play. --FACT50 21:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post-punk revival? Maybe pop-post-punk?

I think it's silly to call article about radio-friendly bands such as Franz Ferdinand 'Post-Punk Revival'. It would be better if you call it 'pop-post-punk' (like a commercial punk bands which characterized as pop-punk), because this bands have nothing in common with post-punk of 1977-84 and more - their so-called post-punk is too commercial to call it post-punk.

Franz Ferdinand's main influences are Gang of Four and Josef K. WesleyDodds 08:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Also the singer of Franz Ferdinand has told me in person that "The Monochrome Set" were his single biggest influence. Although I have yet to see him cite them in the press. You must also pay attention to the wave of underground post-punk revival bands whoa re completely indebted to the more obscure originators of the late 70's / early 80's. --FACT50 21:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expanded the history of Post-Punk Revival

Added a paragraph reffering to the ever growing influences shown by the most recent post-punk revival bands. --FACT50 21:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with a Post-Punk revival article

The main issue I take with a post-punk revival article, is that virtually all of the newest post-punk "inspired" bands are just as equally inspired from a wide range of music from the past 20 years. The main ones being New Wave, and Britpop. The new post-punk movement is more like a massive melting pot of influences. The press has just been keen to point out any bands that have a Peter Hook bass line, or Andy Gill guitar shred, as new post-punk. however if we look at the history of the movement, it has always been a melting pot of influences. Everything from Psychedelic Rock, Reggae/Dub, Ska, Jazz, Country, and a many other genres played a part in the formations of the earliest Post-Punk bands.

While there are indeed a large number of (mostly underground) new bands that wear their post-punk influences on their sleeves proudly. The majority of the commercial friendly bands just take elements from these various influences and mash them into something totally different. --FACT50 21:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That's true. Certainly Interpol's Paul Banks insists he never heard Joy Division before the band formed. But I think it's more that certain styles acted as the direct root of this movement, such as indie rock and the post-Britpop British indie scene. So it's best to consider the movement in those terms. And in terms of New Wave, for many years to the ears of the casual American listener, post-punk and New wave were considered the same thing. In recent years that has changed with the current interest in the period, but it's really handy for a lot of people to just list influence by bands like Duran Duran (one of the definitive New Wave bands) and the Smiths (like R.E.M., a pivotal alternative rock band that was a reaction to and helped drive a nail in the coffin of post-punk and New Wave) without regard as to whether or not they were actually post-punk. WesleyDodds 21:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)