Talk:Policing in the United Kingdom

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It it worth mentioning the Strathclyde Police uniform? They've dropped white shirts, and wear black t shirts with body armour on top, for pretty much all officers on duty. 11:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

In the firearms section - Stephen Waldorf 14.1.1983 shot in his car in London when mistaken for David Martin, an escaped prisoner. Relevance to shooting and death of Jean Charles de Menezes 22.7.2005?

[edit] Rewrite Request

This article states that there are 42 police forces in the UK. This is incorrect, there are in fact 43 police forces in England & Wales, plus the 8 Scotish forces & the Police Service of Northern Ireland. - 8 May 2006

I propose that this article requires rewriting and/spliting. I have added some information on the difference between policing in England and Wales and that in Northern Ireland or Scotland. This article is in danger of becoming overloaded. Davidkinnen 13:17, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

It looks like it needs a some major editing. I don't know if you are sugesting three articles (Policing in England and Wales etc.), but I don't think that is the way to go. I think we should have pages on the history of policing in Britain and one on current policing in Britain (types of forces, use of firearms, current uniform, current events etc.). It would be sensible to come up with a clear plan first though. Andreww 09:08, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I was suggesting a thematic rather than a geographic split. So your idea of History of Policing in Britain and British police would be sensible. I support Andreww in his suggestion. Davidkinnen 09:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I have to say that I'm not sure of the necessity of this, so I would oppose it. Most history is more appropriate to individual forces, which should have their own articles anyway - British police forces are independent entities, and only general statements need to go here. This article is not particularly long compared to some. And incidentally, if we do have a separate article for history, it should probably be entitled History of policing in the United Kingdom (lower case 'p' and UK instead of Britain). -- Necrothesp 10:04, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I almost agree - and this article should be called Policing in the United Kingdom - but I think there should be enough information for a history page if we want to write it. For example, all pre-1800 policing (from Saxon times) clearly does not belong to any of the police forces, it is easer to discuss the growth of policing and development of the current force structure in one place than in many places, and there are lots of laws and nationwide policy changes since then that effect all forces. So that's three serious sub sections of a history page without thinking about it.

I think the far more important issue is that we sort out this page (it can grow into other pages later if that's needed). At present about 1/3 is about firearms 1/3 is about uniforms and 1/3 is about history. None of it is very good and the structure makes no sense. Discuss. Andreww 10:01, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I've removed the tag, which was not intended for this sort of rewrite/split. It is where you have multiple articles on one page that should really be split to form multiple articles and then a dab page - not something you are talking about here. Morwen - Talk 08:35, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge needed

A smaller stray article United Kingdom police needs merging into this one --mervyn 15:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• Support : this is duplication as both talk about the same thing. Davidkinnen 16:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support the merger -- though wonder, if "Policing in the United Kingdom" becomes the title of the merged article, whether we shouldn't also, for consistency, rename Germany police, United States police, etc. to "Policing in Germany", etc. -- Picapica 00:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just visited the UK Police website (http://www.police.uk/forces/default.asp) and I count 39 English, 4 Welsh, 1 N.Irish, 8 Scottish and 8 non-geographic police forces/agencies. These, of course, do not include the 3 Crown Dependencies of Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man. The number of non-geographic forces has not yet been updated to include the newly created SOCA (Serious Organised Crime Agency). 82.30.249.32 20:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Volatile template

Some of you might have noticed the {{UK Police}} template has been quite volatile recently. Your input is welcome: Template talk:UK Police#It's got bigger again. Thanks/wangi 13:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)