Talk:Pax Mongolica

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If anyone wants to talk about pax mongolica... let me know.. I'm very interested in why this is important to world history

[edit] On the Last Edits to this Page

I must heavily contest the changes the last user, Lao Wai, made to this page. I find it very biased in the very deliberate efforts to portray Pax Mongolica as a modern scholastic fantasy, a nonexistant revisionist history, by cramming this article with words and phrases like "invented by," "alleged," "sometimes claimed," "little evidence," "less evidence," etc. The conclusion of his non-NPOV arguments: it is more a "theoritical concept" than a practical reality. First of all, although Lao Wai is claiming he's making the article more historical, all he as actually done is just attack the credibility of this historical theory without adding any substantial historical facts. Secondly, although he claims in his profile that he likes adding sources to articles to add to their legitimacy, he makes all these claims against the Pax Mongolica viewpoint without adding any sources to back up his claims at all - he provides no sources to back up his absurd claims that no Islamic traders crossed the Silk Route during the time of the Mongols (Huh?) and that there is no evidence that the Mongols made the silk route more safe or more effecient. Why are these claims absurd? That brings me to my third point: Lao Wai made these biased changes without even bothering to read the one link that this page lead to, which is a very balanced article by a Professor at UW who, while acknowledging the desctructive extent of the Mongol expansion, also points out systems and evidence of the Silk Route, and overall production across the Empire, flourishing after Mongolian conquest. He even goes so much to quote primary documents, where Marco Polo, who travelled the route himself, says "The road you travel from Tana [Azov] to Cathay is perfectly safe, whether by day or by night, according to what the merchants say who have used it.." Very much contrary to what Lao Wai has added.

All of the info on this page is pure and unsourced conjencture. Pax Mongolica? "It was said"? - by whom, the Mongols?

This article does not acknowledge the real price a which this alleged Pax came. It's unsourced and it's more than a bit biased. It's a bad article, therefore. 24.80.109.19 03:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Where there are no historical facts it is hard to provide them. Can you name an Islamic trader that crossed the Silk Route? Notice that Islamic traders did before the Mongols. Are you claiming that more did after the Mongols (although I deny the existence of the Silk Route as well you might be pleased to hear). There simply is no evidence that the Mongols made the route safer. Look at Marco Polo. Read carefully. I suspect I did read that link. What is your point? Marco Polo does not make that claim. Francesco Balducchi Pegolotti does. Pegolotti never travelled that route and is reporting hearsay. And, by the way, it takes some imaginative reconstruction to translate his words so that they refer to the Silk Route at all. Lao Wai 17:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The cut piece is

It is sometimes claimed that the "Silk Road," which connected trade centers across Asia and Europe, was made possible by the Mongol control of this territory. There is little evidence of Western or Islamic traders crossing the Mongol Empire although some religious and diplomatic figures were able to do so. There is less evidence that the Mongols even tried to make the route safer for traders. The phrase refers more to a theoretical concept than practical reality.

It is sometimes claimed that this was so. But there is in fact little evidence of Western of Muslim traders. The majority of people who did were not merchants (Rubrick, Marco Polo etc). There is precisely no evidence that the Mongols tried to make the route safer. It is more a theoretical concept than a real one. What is objectionable about that? Lao Wai 18:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pax Tartarica

I believe I read in some book a reference to a Pax Tartarica (ie the Tartars), is this the same as pax mongolica? Why one term over the other?--RexRex84 05:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)