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Contents 1 "The Boy With the Blues"? 2 The Boy With The Blues 3 NPOV, Quotations & Encyclopedic Tone 4 Critical approval... 5 Oasis album articles 6 Tiago Andres Vaz 7 Be Here Now 8 number 1 album 9 Citations 10 Main page picture 11 Featured Music Project evaluation 12 It's great 13 Zak Starkey 14 Oasis total worldwide sales ???? 15 Noel's first gig with Oasis? 16 Why not perform? 17 Indie Rock 18 Alan's departure - reasons 19 Best selling artist in the uk? 20 Top Of The Pops appearance 21 removing the charts 22 Oasis Photographs 23 Mass renaming of Singles by artist into Songs by artist 24 External links 25 Fansites in External Links 26 Stop The Clocks Tracks 27 Morning Glory Worldwide Sales, Almost 40 million copies 28 GA Dispute 29 Band members over the years 30 GA on hold 30.1 GA failed 31 New Album Page 32 Most Successful?

[edit] "The Boy With the Blues"?

I think that it isn't a single from Oasis... 24.232.136.43 13:54, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Boy With The Blues

Just to point out, Noel didn't actually confirm a release, he just said it was something he think they might do. Nothing is confirmed yet, not publically at least. Mr. Monobrow 01:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV, Quotations & Encyclopedic Tone

I think this article would benefit from a bit of cleanup in terms of tone. There's some mild POV stuff in here, I think, and quite a few places where the language is not "encyclopedic", e.g. "Guigsy" is referred to at one point, when he should probably be referenced by surname. Some of the POV stuff - the band's sound, for example - could easily be retained by using quotes from the NME, BBC, or Guardian online. I'd do all this myself, but there are probably Oasis enthusiasts who could do handle it more sensitively than me. Happy to have a crack if no-one objects, though.

I have mixed feelings about this kind of change - it's nice to read enthusiastic articles by people who likes the band they're writing about - but too much POV detracts from the article's credibility.Rayray 16:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I've made changes to the first part of the article in line with what I've suggested above. What do people think? I'll carry on working my way through the article, and would appreciate some help.Rayray 23:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

This article (and other articles on British pop groups) still suffers from a lot of subjective language - immense songwriting talent, for example. It would be good if people working on this article could try to stick to facts, and avoid opinions, or else it will be hard for anyone to take it seriously. I'll try to do a rewrite with this in mind later in the week. --Rayray 12:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Critical approval...

Regarding the following statement from the top... "They maintain a loyal fanbase and a degree of commercial success, although critical approval has eluded them since the release of 1998's Be Here Now." I thought Don't Believe the Truth received favorable reviews from critics. Ucdawg12 23:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

You're right, but I suppose I'm trying to sum up the change from "this band are the saviours of British music" c. 1994 to "not bad - better than the last few albums". I think the best way to deal with this is to find a good quotation from a trusted critical source (Uncut, MOJO, or whoever). Can anyone help with this? Rayray 08:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not 100% certain that that's a good way to handle it, but I could well be wrong, so here a two quotes that I have found quickly.

• Don't Believe the Truth, their seventh album, isn't the comeback fans have long been praying for, but it's the first Oasis album in years that doesn't sound like pale self-imitation. from http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/_/id/7331035

• Don't Believe the Truth won't rewrite past mistakes, but it does prove the band isn't through just yet. from http://www.playboy.com/arts-entertainment/music/oasis/

You could also try looking through the reviews for Don't Believe the Truth. --Apyule 11:58, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oasis album articles

For some reason the articles on the individual albums only list (at great length) the US chart positions. Surely the British chart positions should be included too? JW 23:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Those are probably slightly more important as well. Bang Bang you're dead 18:24. 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tiago Andres Vaz

Could someone check the article Tiago Andres Vaz, please? I can't find any verification of the link to Oasis. CarolGray 10:16, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Since no-one's responded to this, I will delete the dubious information. CarolGray 15:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Be Here Now

Underneath the picture of the album cover it states that Be Here Now was number one in 28 countries. Somehow i think this is impossible.

[edit] number 1 album

X&Y from Coldplay was number 1 in 32 countries in 2005.

hello - i know coldplay did acheive what you say but i dont think oasis were capable of doing the same thing.

  When did coldplay last have a number one in the uk? whats that?
never?  Not that i dont like coldplay, as they are infact my
favourite band.. But, why is this here? this is the oasis
discussion. 194.83.172.29 13:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)Tindap194.83.172.29 13:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Right, not sure about all of them but:

• The quote about the new bassist "looking like the old one" appears on the dvd "There and Then"

• Be here now certainly ended Oasis' spell as media darlings, because it was there first album to recieve substantial negative reviews (though not initially, I'll warrant)

• The section about Arthurs leaving the band and Noel's imposed no-drink policy is taken from the book "Oasis: In Their Own Words"

• Oasis made clear their views on "best live act" awards in Q issue from Dec 2005

• Noels issues with Sony are well documented. I just don't have a proper referance for it. The best I can do is "a copy of the big issue wot I bought when I was still going out with this lass, well actually I didn't buy it I found it on a pub table and kept it". Howver, I am well familiar witjh wikipedia and doubt that this will be formal enough.

The rest I can't re-enforce. mostly hearsay. However, I would appreciate it if someone could include the citations above, coz fucked if I know how. CHEERS!--Crestville 14:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

That's great Crestville, thanks for those! I'll do some research and try to cite the DVD and the book appropriately. Do you know the title of the article for the Q magazine quote (or if there is a link to it somewhere)? If not, that's all right, I'll just cite it in the article without a full reference. The rest of the stuff, I'll just leave the citation tags up there and hope someone comes along and provides a link. —simpatico ^hi 05:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit: One thing, Oasis: in Their Own Words was published in 1996 (according to Amazon). Yet the article states:

However, in a recent interview Noel has offered a contradicting version: that a series of violations of Noel's "no drink or drugs" policy (imposed by Noel so that Liam could sing properly) for the album's sessions resulted in a confrontation between the two.

Did this come from the book or a recent interview? —simpatico ^hi 06:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

It must have been revised because I have a copy and it talks about the depature of Arthurs (1999) as well as material being released up to 2001.I seriously doubt the interview was recent though. I'll get rid of that. The Q article was about the Q awards 2005 - it wasn't really an article as such, more a brief interview, but it's on page 86.--Crestville 13:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk Tonight inspiration: Noel said it was inspired by the girl in San Francisco in an interview published in the 31st October 1998 edition of the NME and in an interview released on a limited edition US-only CD which came with the released of The Masterplan album in 1998Mr. Monobrow 03:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Liam's awareness of The Boy With The Blues: from an interview with Noel published in the 31st December 2005 edition of the NME.Mr. Monobrow 03:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Lyla/Sony contract: Although Noel publicially registered at his disgust at the choice of that single being taken out of his hands, I've not heard him say that would be a reason not to re-sign with Sony.Mr. Monobrow 03:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main page picture

Is it right to have a picture with Alan White in it? The present line up is with Zak Starkey on drums and there are also pictures of the band as a four-piece so why is an outdated picture being given prominence?Mr. Monobrow 23:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Music Project evaluation

Oasis (band) has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.

The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Comprehensiveness - Pictures - Audio - References - Discography - Format/Style

The space below is for limited discussion on this article's prospects as a featured article candidate. Please take conversations to the article talk page.

• Comprehensiveness: Not much on musical style or influences
• Pictures: Needs fair use rationales, album covers in discography probably not appropriate
• Audio: None
• References: Needs a references section, scholarly and print sources, more inline citations
• Discography: Remove covers, format
• Format/Style: Remove trivia, overall copyedit

[edit] It's great

It's great working with you guys on this page. I like all the shit that we came through, but I think that we have nice article. After all a renowned Oasis fan-site Oasis Fanatic has our bandmember biographies. Also, I've spoken with the guy of Live4ever and he said that he would put a link to this page and I saw that he had already done it. Which is fucking great, cause Live4ever is one of the biggest Oasis fan-sites. I think it's kind of evaluation for our work and I strive to continue work on these particular pages.

Good luck and good riddance. Painbearer 16:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zak Starkey

This poor chap has been put in and taken out several times. He is mentioned as part of the band on the official Oasis website for Don't believe the truth. [1] and is also mentioned if you follow the "the band" link on that site too. He's also mentioned in the news[2] as being their drummer for Glastonbury and other gigs, although it does say he won't be their full time drummer, to me that would be enough to add him as a band member in the article infobox. Or not? MartinRe 22:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

It's a tricky area really. Noel said he was in, but it's not certain and I think he is going to work with the Who again soon. I think it'd be best to just say his current position is unclear.--Crestville 13:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well Noel said recently that he wasn't permanently in the band yet and no-one has spoke about it. Also, there are very few promo pictures with the band as a five-piece, certainly if you go to the Official Oasis website, all of the pictures on the main banner are of the band as a four-piece. Nice to see a new picture on the main page by the way, that was the one I wanted to add, but I never got round to it.-Mr. Monobrow 02:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oasis total worldwide sales ????

Bobo6balde66 15:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)can anyone tell me i think its 44.5 million world wide

1. Definetly Maybe = 7m
2. Mornig Glory = 19m
3. Be Here Now = 8m
4. Masterplan = 2m
5. Standing on the Shoulder of Giants = 3m
6. Heathen Chemistry = 3.5m
7. Don't Believe the Truth =2m

total 44.5m i think

Yeah, thats more or less right.

I'd say that DM has sold 8 and DBTT has sold nearly 3 at this stage while Familiar To Millions sold about 700,000.--Play Brian Moore 01:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

so about 46.3million or whatBobo6balde66 15:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Ye, 46.5m albums worldwide plus however many singles they've sold worldwide and Wonderwall sold about a million in the UK alone.--Play Brian Moore 12:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

wonderwall 1 millon thats class thanks for the dataBobo6balde66 16:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Noel's first gig with Oasis?

Does anyone know the date of this for sure? The article says his first gig was in 1992 after he was invited a few months after watching the 4-piece Oasis play. But I've seen interviews with him claiming his first gig was in October 1991 although the Oasisinet gigography has no menion of a gig on this day. As with many Noel facts, the answer lies somewhere in the middle of all the quotes he's made about it, so it'd be nice if we could use this opportunity to work out when his first gig really was, as it's a pivotal moment in the history of the band and needs to be correct in this article. I'll go though a few interviews I have and list any quotes relevant to his first gig and I'd be grateful if others could do the same. Please list sources as well.--Mr. Monobrow 02:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why not perform?

There's no indication to why Oasis (or other british rock bands for that matter) don't perform on live television events, such as MTV, or Brit Music Awards. Is it daggy or something, how will it damage their loyal fanbase? how will it damage their repuation as a true rock band? how come they always refuse, it lets down the mainstream music fan base and nothing else in my oppinion. Darkroom Danny 05:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It's probably a case of not being invited. Although they allegedly turned down the Brit Awards this year. But they've done a live show filmed by MTV on this tour which has been shown many times.Mr. Monobrow 12:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

did they really not invite them? Usually they go out of their way to get Oasis to go to these things, giving them Mickey Mouse awards just so they turn up and say something funny.--Crestville 15:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indie Rock

Oasis are listed on the List_of_indie_rock_artists#O. Is this fair? To the best of my knowledge, Oasis have never considered themselves 'indie' nor have their fans ever considered them 'indie'. Would it be fair that I remove them from that list?--Play Brian Moore 19:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed.--Play Brian Moore 02:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alan's departure - reasons

OK, I've modified the bit explaining Alan's departure, removing a few bits on the way. I've removed the bit about rumours on his departure bcause I don't think they are relevant. Both Alan's brother and Noel Gallagher pretty much gave the same reasons for Alan's departure (basically that he wasn't committed to the band any more). Rumours such as the Munich brawl and especially Alan being in someway responsible for the leak of Heathem Chemistry seem incredibly thin to me, more likely to be conspiracy theories by fans. Unless someone knows better, of course....

Also, there was another comment that, unlike Bonehead and Guigsy's departures, neither Noel or Liam commented a lot on Alan's departure. That's probably down to the fact that the band didn't do many interviews between Alan's exit was announced at the start of 2004 and promo for Don't Believe The Truth begun in April 2005, which is where the Noel comments on Alan's departure in the article date from. All of the interviews I have from that period don't even mention Alan at all, whereas I have a few interviews from 99/2000 where Noel/Liam were asked about Bonehead and Guigsy's exits. Noel and Liam even held a press conference about those exits.

Of course, if anyone has an info from credible sources which go against the changes I've made, then feel free to make any relevant changes.Mr. Monobrow 17:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Noel thoroughly explained Alan's exit in the two-hour web interview prior to Don't Believe the Truth's release in 2005. He missed the band's official meeting (which Noel said is only the fourth ever) with no real excuse - he was interested in being with girlfriend on the beach, and was getting into real estate. I can look around for the interview to get the exact quote. - Slow Graffiti 18:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best selling artist in the uk?

Channel 4 done this thing the best selling artists in the UK and oasis were 10th. if your wondering robbie williams was 1st i think that oasis were 10th should be mentiond

I saw `a similar thing where Oasis were 30-something, Cliff Richards was #1 and the Beatles were `#2.--Crestville 20:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Ye, I think i saw the sme one as Crestville. It was on recently but I had seen it before, maybe before the release of DBTT. It was only based on singles sales. Oasis came 26th with over 6.5 mil single sales but as I said, this was probably before the release of DBTT and its singles.--Play Brian Moore 18:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top Of The Pops appearance

The article states that Oasis became only the third band after The Beatles and The Jam to perform two songs on the same edition of Top Of The Pops, but I seem to remember that The Shamen also performed twice in one show in the early nineties. Can anyone else confirm this?

nope, no, never. Though I do believe that Red Hot Chilli Peppers recently performed more then one song, on Top Of The Pops. Does this still count even though Top Of The Pops has moved to BBC 2 .

It's still TOTP, innit!--Crestville 10:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The one mentioned above is the top-selling artists in the UK of the 21st century, it is based on album sales and did not include the album sales of DBTT 81.151.43.170 22:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removing the charts

Is there any real need to remove the chart positions. They were very intresting and useful. I propose, at the very least, keeping countries where the albums went #1. Anyone have any opinions.--Play Brian Moore 13:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I find them messy and heavily disputed, one or two chart positions, maybe (UK/US?) but do we really need to know how well the records sold in Trinidad and Tobego? If you want to put them back, maybe speak to whoever reomeved them.--Crestville 13:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oasis Photographs

It would help a great deal if people could try finding usable pictures for the article. Especially considering there isn't a recent picture showing the current line-up.--Bang Bang you're dead 18:32. 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mass renaming of Singles by artist into Songs by artist

In a recent mass renaming of categories, we renamed nearly every category of Singles by artist into the appropriate subcategory of Songs by artist. We did not immediately rename the few categories in which there was a large number of both singles and non-singles separated, just to make sure there was no absolutely pressing reason that fans of those few acts (the Beach Boys, the Beatles, David Bowie, Green Day, Nirvana, Oasis, Prince, Radiohead) wanted the singles by artist category kept. So one last chance: Does anyone think that category:Oasis singles shouldn't be merged into category:Oasis songs, as all the others except the ones listed have?--Mike Selinker 08:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

It is important to distinguish songs from singles. This could be done under a sub-catagory, but what is the point?--Crestville 20:20, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I should make it clear that we just merged the Singles category into the Songs category for 150 other artists. What I was looking for was whether there was anything special about Oasis that made it necessary to violate the new arrangement for them.--Mike Selinker 22:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is.--Crestville 18:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Whoever deleted all of them except the official should move over to the discussion board before doing so. It is important to have the official and at least one very good fansite. So for everyone else, what do you think is the most proper unofficial site for Oasis? -- Bang Bang you're dead 23:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The woman who runs http://www.stopcryingyourheartout.com/ has always been very supportive and helpful. Her site is a cracker too. I think she's on my myspace friends list too somewhere. She's some right songs on there!--Crestville 22:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah her site is getting there. I think there are key sites like www.oasisfanatic.com which is a very extensive one that should be represented. So I'm going to add those back. --Bang Bang you're Dead 00:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fansites in External Links

Is it just me, or does the litany of fansites in the External Links seem really unencyclopedic? It seems like theres new ones added constantly, and some of them seem gratuitious and unnecessary. Heck, L4E isn't even on the list (currently), and that's certainly the biggest fan forum, as well as a fully comprehensive info site. Other bands' articles seem to have solved this issue by just linking to the band's official page linking fan sites, and leaving it at that. Thoughts? Castlecraver 19:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it matters. As long as they are updated regularly and continue to be relevant than it's fine. They are references and the like, so that's what this is for. -- Bang bang you're dead

Fansites should be included. Often times they have more info regarding certain things than the official sites themselves. If you feel l4e should be on the list, then add it. Don't delete everyone else's.

[edit] Stop The Clocks Tracks

Someone had put up the Track listings for Stop The Clocks in the main article which I have since removed. The Track listings are still a part of the Stop The Clocks page. Can I ask where this information was taken from as I have checked the Official Oasis website this news anywhere. ≈ Seraph 31 16:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The tracklisting is from a recent Sun article, but its still completely unconfirmed by any official source. Castlecraver 19:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Morning Glory Worldwide Sales, Almost 40 million copies

From Oasisinet(About Stop the clocks):

Second album, What's The Story, (Morning Glory), from which several of the tracks here are drawn, remains the highest ever certified album at 14 x platinum whilst their combined album sales total close to, a remarkable 40 million sales worldwide.

[3]

Is this right?

"Combined album sales" = all albums.--Mr. Monobrow 10:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Dispute

GA dispute has ended two to zero for delisting for reasons outlined here: Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 4 and also, much of the history sections such as "2005-present" seem way overblown and have too much information, it goes very off-track into non-notable things and there is an overabundance of favorable adjectives and whatnot. Homestarmy 14:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Band members over the years

What was with that messy Band's line up section? I've changed it back to the older, cleaner version that is much easier to read and is called Band members over the years. It shows the current Line-up as well as past members and it is all presented in a easy to read graph. The only thing that might be a good addition could be a colour coded key. Seraph 31 15:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :

1. Well written? Fail

2. Factually accurate? Fail Pass

3. Broad in coverage? Fail

4. Neutral point of view? Fail Pass

5. Article stability? Pass

6. Images? Fail

Additional comments :

• Copyrighted images lack fair use rationale.
• Examples of poorly written/weasel words ridden/pov oriented lines:
  • Thanks to the success of their critically acclaimed debut album
  • coupled with a supposed rivalry with contemporary band Blur
  • The Gallagher brothers featured regularly in tabloid newspaper stories, and cultivated a reputation as both bad boys and the band of the people.
  • At the height of their fame, how do you know it isn't finished or they wont be famous again?
  • Although there have been many theories on where Liam got the name from, he got it from an Inspiral Carpets tour poster which was in his and Noel's bedroom.
  • who had recently heard
  • Although he had been critical of them, he agreed, with the provision that he would become the band's sole songwriter and leader, and that they would commit to an earnest pursuit of commercial success.
  • The first of many notorious incidents came in February 1994 when the band were involved in a high-profile incident
  • Noel Gallagher's penchant for taking the odd riff or lyrics from other artists was now becoming notorious.
  • and many more...

    They thus need citations or be rewritten to rid such problems.

• This only shows the history of the band, what about a Criticism/Reception section.
• What about recording, where it took place.
• What about videos, influence, musical style.
• The discography subarticle should at least have a paragraph explaining what the group has done or what is expected.
• It is missing references en masse (a lot of them).

Lincher 17:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA failed

Even though lots of additions and tweakings were done lately on the article, I still feel that the article is full weasel words and close to pov-feelings toward the band. I also feel that there is a need for a Criticism/Reception section to give the story of the article in the light of the critics. The article will not be GA as of now but upon modifications, please bring it back to GA candidacy. Lincher 11:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Album Page

Someone should do a page for their upcoming album... i'm still new at this or else i'd figure out a way to do it... use some quotes from Noel and the known titles tracks like "boy with the blues" "stop the clocks" and "lord, don't slow me down"

thanks!

Very little is known about the next album, so it would be rather pointless. And those three tracks you mention were all inititally written for Don't Believe The Truth - they might not end up on Album 7 either. --Mr. Monobrow 10:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most Successful?

See where it says Oasis became one of the most successful and in the third paragraph. Could this not be changed to the most successful band considering the Guinness Book of World records called Oasis the most successful band in Britain over the last 10 years?--Play Brian Moore 12:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but only if you cite the book (complete with page numbers). WesleyDodds 12:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)