Talk:Nissan Xterra

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[edit] First generation

The fact that the first generation is listed twice is confusing. Maybe the first gen with round lights should be listed as a refresh.

I cleaned up the article, revised to WP:NPOV, and made the Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Layouts conform to standards followed by other articles. Freshened models DO NOT get their own infoboxes NOR do they count as a generation. This page still sounds like an advertisement, further clean up would be appriciated. 142.58.83.73 01:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't say I agree with all your changes. Although to you they sound like a commercial, I think the text that was there added some valuable information. Sure, perhaps it could have been worded a little better, but I think cutting it out completely was the wrong move. Also, your use of the 2002-2004 model in the top model box is wrong. If you're going to add a picture to the model box it's suppose to be either the newest generation or the one that defined the model. The 2002-2004 had its own box below just to show the refresh and had been cleaned up to where it didn't make it seem like the 2002 was another generation. I'll let these changes stand for a few days to see if anyone else chimes in with comments. In addition, any chance you could actually register on Wikipedia? Making changes as just an IP isn't the most ideal way of doing business. --Brownings 11:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's a compromise about the infoboxes. Why not put the photo of the Square headlights, and the Round headlights photo in the same infobox. Bok269 03:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

That's basically what we had before 142.58.83.73 changed things. You can see how it was here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_Xterra&oldid=56437235 . Is there a way to get both pictures in a single box though? --Brownings 21:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

There is a way to do that actually, by placing two images like so "| image=[ Image:2001Xterra.JPG|250px|2001 Xterra SE]]<break>[[Image:2002Xterra.JPG|250px|2002 Xterra SE ]" (br, not break) will result in two images in a single infobox. Remember to remove any "| thumb | right/left |" from the line or the image will not fit the infobox and look ugly, as seen in Brownings's last edit. The reason I moved the freshened 1st generation model up was becasue it's currently the most popular model on the road today (by that I mean saleswise), and seemed suitable as a representation as of the Xterra at the moment.

The reason I removed some material such as "The Xterra's first two years were all about making a no-nonsense SUV that was capable off-road, yet provided some of the refinements of cost comparable SUVs to attract the casual off-roaders," is in accordance to NPOV. That line sounded like something straight out of Nissan's press release. One could just as easily site some members of the automotive press saying "The 1st generation Xterra was a crude truck-based SUV based on the outdated Frontier platform, clearly outclassed by its competitors." That line would not be suitable for this article for the same reason that I sited for removing some of the POV material. Nothing against the Xterra, just trying to be fair.

Lines such as "Base XEs were so bare bones that not many were sold. If you've ever seen one, then you understand why, they didn't even look like the typical Xterra, thus turning most interested in the Xterra against them," are simply personal opinion and deserve no place on this page. This is no fansite. Perhaps if this article can be cleaned up further and slightly reorganized, some of the removed material can then be recycled into an "Advertising" section covering Nissan's marketing campaign, utilizing some of the removed details. 142.58.83.73 02:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

And what is your opinion on the design cues? There were several aspects that Nissan focused very hard on in the redesign to keep. Items that made the Xterra an Xterra and not a Ford Escape. Wouldn't you say that was worth mentioning? As for the fansite comment, well no one has to be a fan to see the huge diffrences in the models. Advertising or not, it's worth stating. The base XE compared to the SE wasn't even close, not like a base Ford Mustang compared to the GT. Perhaps you should take a look at the material and find a way to incorporate it, not just cut things out that you seem to be the only one against. Oh, and how is that registering process going? You're still showing up as your college IP. --Brownings 04:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial claim

"Every single Xterra commercial depicts someone driving it though the mud, unloading mountain bikes out of the back to go hit the trail, or packing up their surfing gear." This just seems not to be fact. Could someone find a source? Maybe start with "Most commrecials feature..."

I like it. I've added it to the text. I think it would be impossible to find written justification of thier marketing tactic, but what are the chances we'll ever see a commercial featuring the Xterra at the mall with a soccer mom and kids? I'd bet almost never. --Brownings 03:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)