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[edit] Cheektowaga
Cheektowaga (town), New York reports a population of 94,019, not 19,000. What is the criteria for inclusion? --ChrisRuvolo 22:01, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I've just redesigned the template. The criterion for inclusion is being the FIRST listed place in any urban area or urban cluster with a population at least 10,000; or if the city is not in the state, a NEW YORK population at least 10,000.
The lists are here:
http://www.census.gov/geo/www/ua/st2kua.txt
http://www.census.gov/geo/www/ua/st2kuc.txt
Chekotowagwa is not included because it is a suburb of Buffalo, New York. I intend to create a webpage for the BUFFALO AREA, which will link in turn to Cheekotowatwa.
Dufekin 03:52, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Hmmmm
I'm going to have a look at this soon. I like the "Major Metros" idea, but some of the "Smaller Cities" are not cities (Ilion for example. Furthermore, small cities like Sherrill are not included. I think we should list all small cities, regardless of their location. There's not that many. newkai 21:04, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Size -- proposed new edition
I think the current version is just a bit too big, considering how many pages it's on. Here's a proposed revision. Thoughts? --Quasipalm 22:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I saw the NYS template at the bottom of New York metropolitan area, and it is huge compared to NJ's and CT's. I also like your change in that the "State of New York" hyperlink is now only on "New York." Potentially, the US state templates could have "State" link to U.S. state. //MrD9 09:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed Biased Edits
Watertown, Elmira, and Poughkeepsie recently appeared on the large city list. Please check the numbers! Schenectady is three times larger than Watertown, yet isn't even on that list! It's actually larger than Binghamton, meaning it probably should be. But that has to do with someone changing "Major Metros" back to "Largest Cities". We need to come up with some criteria! Top ten maybe, or over 50,000 or something. -newkai | talk | contribs 08:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
- OK, I see the philosophy behind Poughkeepsie, seeing that the metro population is quite big (about 350,000). But then we'd have to go back to "Large Metros". -newkai | talk | contribs 08:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
- I think we should use at least 50,000 population for "Largest cities" and 5,000-50,000 for "Smaller cities and towns". --Kuroki Mio 2006 15:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Long Island Lost
I added Hempstead, Long Beach and Valley Stream, all are bigger on on par with the other towns and cities on the list. There are many more larger Long Island communites that should be involved, but I don't want to make this template large.
And as for Hempstead, with it's population of over 755 thousand, its larger than a lot the Large Cities on that list. Should it not be on that list?
List is much to concentrated with small Upstate communties. Long Island has significant population. What can we do? Wxthewx99 01:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- Hempstead isn't a "town" in the sense that most English speakers would think of a town. Towns in New York State are more like townships in New England --- they're county subdivisions. What we would call a town in most places is legally called a "village" in New York State. Anybody in New York who doesn't live in a city lives in a town. A town can contain villages, but many of them are vastly empty and culturally vapid (people identify with their village, city, or county, but rarely their town). See Political subdivisions of New York State, which I actually think I'm going to add to the template. Also, "smaller cities and towns" should be "smaller cities and villages," technically. I don't believe any towns (in the New York State sense) are listed - Bolwerk 01:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Towns
If you read my post above, I talk about the difference between towns and villages and cities in New York State (I was wrong, some are listed). I want to suggest, for sake of shortening that template, that we just remove all references to towns. Towns aren't exactly culturally significant parts of New York State life, with exceptions here and there perhaps. Hempstead has an impressive population, but if you read up on Hempstead, you learn it has a ton of "villages" in it. Villages are what are significant, not towns. Towns are administrative divisions with limited political power; very rarely are they communities. When they are (as with Mount Kisco), they're probably coterminous with a village. I suggest removing them from the list. Bolwerk 07:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Major overhaul needed
This template is becoming meaningless, as we add small, less significant communities to it, leaving off major centers. How does Mt. Kisco get on, but White Plains does not? We need to set population criteria, say only municipalities over 50,000 get added. I mean, good lord, Malone? I've never even heard of it. We should reinstate the counties list, delete all municipalities under 50,000, and add links for lists of cities, towns, villages and CDPs. --Nelson Ricardo 15:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- I didn't think of White Plains actually, but yeah, you're right. I like the idea of linking to cities/villages more than counties or towns because cities/villages are probably institutionally the most interesting parts of NYS life. Counties are just arbitrarily drawn on a map. (I was under the impression Mt. Kisco is bigger than it actually is. My apologies.)
- As a side note, White Plains isn't that big apparently, but it's probably economically vital enough to be placed on the larger cities list.
- --Bolwerk 18:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- When I went through the links previously, I removed any city with less than 10,000 people. Mount Kisco, New York has since been added which is just shy of 10,000 people. I'm not sure what the threshold should be. It' might be better to say, let's list the next, say, twenty biggest cities after the big 8. --Quasipalm 18:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
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- "20 largest cities and villages" might be a good call. Something like this, though I'd probably not put the counties back in:
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- I actually like this quite a bit better -- anyone else want to chime in? --Quasipalm 02:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I can't emphasize enough how much I think the counties overwhelm it. :-) Also, I think it might be a good idea to include a NOINCLUDE at the bottom of the template about adding towns, which appear to be a source of confusion. Towns mean something entirely different in New York State as compared to most other places. Bolwerk 12:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] U.S. state templates
Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates lists and displays all 50 U.S. state (and additional other) templates. It potentially can be used for ideas and standardization. //MrD9 07:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposal
Just my suggestion for the box, since Pennsylvania's navigation box is similar to my proposal. --Kuroki Mio 2006 00:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- "State of New York" is too big and does not look good. //MrD9 20:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Made the "State of New York" smaller. Is it OK now? --Kuroki Mio 2006 23:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes. I think it looks a lot more professional than your original (larger version) proposal and than the current template design. Good job. //MrD9 00:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I think the hyphens in the metro areas section should be replaced with |'s. I would do it myself, but since it's your proposal, I don't want to change it on you... //MrD9 00:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] County templates
I made a template for Ulster County, and I used this format:
| Municipalities and Communities of Ulster County, New York (County seat: Kingston) |
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| Cities | Kingston |
| Villages | Ellenville | New Paltz | Saugerties |
| Towns | Denning | Esopus | Gardiner | Hardenburgh | Hurley | Kingston | Lloyd | Marbletown | Marlborough | New Paltz | Olive | Plattekill | Rochester | Rosendale | Saugerties | Shandaken | Shawangunk | Ulster | Wawarsing | Woodstock |
| Communities/CDPs | Accord | Clintondale | Cragsmoor | East Kingston | Glasco | High Falls | Highland | Hillside | Kerhonkson | Lake Katrine | Lincoln Park | Malden | Marlboro | Milton | Napanoch | Phoenicia | Pine Hill | Port Ewen | Rifton | Saugerties South | Shokan | Stone Ridge | Tillson | Walker Valley | Wallkill | West Hurley | Woodstock | Zena |
Maybe we could make a template like this for every county in New York. Pennsylvania has templates for every county, so why can't New York? --Kuroki Mio 2006 18:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Metro Names
Please be careful not to attach towns in metros that aren't in the name of the metro. E.g. it's Jamesville MSA, not Jamesville/Dunkirk/Fredonia. [1] -newkai | talk | contribs 16:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- That link you gave is 3 years old...I think areas like Newburgh/Middletown do include Port Jervis now (a city, not a town). Perhaps an updated official list would be helpful. Newnam(talk) 06:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Change to official regions
Until the articles actually reflect the official regions, we can't do this. I'm going to revert it back to the way it was until we either change the articles or maybe decide to ignore the official regions. Here are some problems:
- Central Leatherstocking now goes to Central New York. It is more congruent with Southern Tier. Onondaga County and Cayuga County are part of the Finger Lakes Region.
- Perhaps the worst is Greater Niagara. This now goes to Niagara Falls, New York. Much of what is under Western New York belongs to this region. The eastern part of Western New York belongs to the Finger Lakes Region.
- The Thousand Islands region is much larger than the St. Lawrence Seaway
So we either have to do some major revisions, or leave the unofficial regions and maybe add the official ones that aren't already in the list. Please share your opinions. -newkai | talk | contribs 12:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong by the way. I do see the problem with the current setup. It's just that before we have actual articles about these regions... -newkai | talk | contribs 12:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Standardization of state templates
There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding standardization of state templates (primarily regarding layout and styling) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates. An effort was made earlier this year to standardize Canadian province templates (which mostly succeeded). Lovelac7 and I have already begun standardizing all state templates. If you have any concerns, they should be directed toward the discussion page for state template standardization. Thanks! — Webdinger BLAH | SZ 22:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] High-speed rail
Is this really necessary in this template? –Zimbabweed 18:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
