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Contents 1 Archived Discussions 2 A Neopets movie?! 3 External Links 4 Inline link to "Jelly World" 5 Jelly World 6 Suitability of article 7 Premium over? 8 Founding 9 AntiNeopian 10 Controversy 11 My 2 cents and edit 12 Mergeing of the page Neopets Faeries 13 References 14 160 million USD Factoid and Immersive Advertising 15 Are parts of the Neopets article copied? (plagiarized) 16 Archived 17 External Links-My Solution 18 NeoCharge! 19 Strongly Biased 20 Weasel words 21 Neoboards 22 Favouritism 23 NPOV 24 Mediation 25 Good Article nomination has failed 26 Long article and Criticism section. 27 "Wockypedia- the Neopets Wiki" 28 Favorite Neopets websites 29 Selected Fansites 30 Are petpages called webbies? 31 Nimmo's Pond stolen from Orisinal? 32 Fixing and improving the article 33 Controversy too long? 34 neopetsfansite.com 35 InfamousX241 36 Darigan Citadel should've won 37 Jellyneo.net 38 A handy dandy list of sources you can use 39 Creating separate User criticism page? 40 Include TheDailyNeopets.com on links 41 Need any more good sources? Here's one. 42 New Page 43 Neopets vs Pokemon? 44 Sources not cited 45 Criticism too long 46 Neopets Controversy 47 Sloth???? 48 Concerning TNT Usernames 49 Petpet 50 Why the protection? 51 Spam Fads? 52 Who thinks that neopets has to many copy-cat sites? 53 Neopets teams up with Nexon

(To those looking for recently-created sections, they were moved down towards the bottom by —AySz88\^-^. This message may be deleted after a few days/weeks.)

[edit] Archived Discussions

• Archive 1: thread about AntiNeopian from August-September 2005 (and one comment from March 2006)
• Archive 2: mostly February 2004-December 2005; a few comments added as late as March 2006 (to otherwise very old threads); includes information about Thomas Deaton and Neopets (including sources)

[edit] A Neopets movie?!

If you go to this link on the oficial Neopets web-site, it says something about a movie comming out winter, 2006. Should this be mentioned in the article?

Joiz 15:34, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

That may just be a joke. I would wait for official confirmation. Aranel 00:31, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Recently there have been ads on the website for it, and i think its safe to say it has been confirmed.

I know neopets may be good, but a film is just too far. People have anime ofr that. --Neoadam 19:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Plushies are okay. A board game is okay. A video game is okay. A movie, though, is going too far. -- PinkDeoxys 19:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't say it's a movie that's going to be in theaters, it might just be something on the website to highlight a plot. --Rory096 08:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

O_O Its obviously not a movie. My 11-year-old brother laughs whenever he sees it. Ever heard of the infamous "blob" movie? Well, Jelly ::blob::s of doom is just making fun of that by saying it. And I have yet to see ::any:: ads regarding the "film". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.131.175.140 (talk • contribs) .

Actually, Warner Bros. has signed a contract with Neopets to develop and produce animated feature films based on characters and worlds from the site. -- PinkDeoxys 12:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Seems real enough - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475990/

That does seem real enough. I'd be happy to say that it already has been confirmed. SatanxSucks 17:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)SatanxSucks

It seems like something they would do. There most likely will be a movie. --Tati 21:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC) Wikichick

Yeah the movie should be real. Why would Neopets joke about a business thing that oculd make them a ton of money? And you wouldn't see any ads until maybe late or mid fall. Becaus eit should take a logn time for htem to develop the ads. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deathfoe (talk • contribs) 18:35, September 2, 2006 (UTC).

The original messages were talking about a movie like one described on the game site, not really the fact that there will eventually be a movie about Neopets. —AySz88\^-^ 23:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Jsholm 09:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Would like to add a web script I made to help people buy neolotto tickets. Does not request any information, people just click through to the neopets site.

http://www.jasonholm.com/cgi-bin/neolotto.cgi

Thank You

Do we really need so many external links? The list now is huge. I'm inclined to say that we don't really need any of them. They're all aimed at people who already know what neopets is and are current players, and give information about how to play more than about what neopets actually is, which is the sort of content we want to have here. Including them only encourages other people to add their own links as well, which isn't desirable. If there was some sort of consensus about what the most significant one or two fan sites are, then I'd say go with them, but as it is, this reads predominantly as advertising. Rho 14:08, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Here's the current list, for reference purposes.

(Removed as source of vandalism, please instead see this edit)

Actually there are a lot of great sights to find tips and layouts. I just happen to play Neopets, and I use many sights to help me gain neopoints. There are also a lot of cheats in the games, which you might find in several useful sights. -cutienemo04

I say either leave all exteneral fansites links or remove them all. This goes to neoitems and pinkpt as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shellymelly (talk • contribs) .

(Please use #Suitability of Article below, to keep everything in the same place.) --AySz88^-^ 03:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

There are other good sites like NeoLodge and JellyNeo that post a lot of daily news, etc and are both fairly established? The Daily Neopets is owned by PPT, so that's basically a duplicate promotion.

I think we should add a link to NeoLodge since both Jellyneo and NeoLodge have different information and communities. There are quite a few other good sites (i. e. Neopets Hive) that isn't listing as well?

22:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)Clockworthy 22:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I happen to play neopets, and the only help site I visit is Jellyneo. if the site is good enough, put it up.

[edit] Inline link to "Jelly World"

Is one appropriate or necessary? An anon added one to the article and I've reverted that change for now. For those that don't know, "Jelly World" is supposed to be a hidden world on the Neopets site. →Reene^✏ 15:00, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

[199.71.141.254]: Hello. This is the IP address that added that link. Actually, this IP address belongs to a public high school in Canada. Apparently, one of my fellow students made that change (it's not too difficult to guess who, there's only one Neopets player here =)). I really apologize on behalf of her actions; she probably is new to Wikipedia. Please, do not block this IP address, as many of the students here use Wikipedia for true research, education, and occasionally contribution. I'll have a talk with her. See you, and thanks!

If you are going to remove the link, why not remove the whole mention at all? Jelly World has been repeatedly stated by The Neopets Team as not existing and that fact is stated in a variety of places including CellBlock, etc. If you are going to mention Jelly World, you might as well add the link. SandBoxer

There's nothing wrong about hiding the URL for Jelly World. I know it, and I would love to put it up, but I'm not sure if i can ^.^ Anways, in Jelly World, you can get free jelly, as well as you can get free omelettes a day too for your pet-cutienemo04

• Jelly World is an easter egg on Neopets. Its location is not difficult to figure out (and many sites online provide links to it). I suggest making a small section about a "Jelly World Controversy" stating that "although many users claim Neopets has a Jelly World, Neopets claims no such world exists. Many fansites link to pages on Neopets that they purport to be Jelly World." Factual? Yes. Concise? Yes. Giving away the secret? No. :) 24.91.161.139 03:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I wasn't logged in. That's me above. Gemini6Ice 03:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jelly World

A section quotes that to access the Jelly World board a 'javascript code' is needed. Where on earth did you get that information from? I've been able to access Jelly World board by finding it by changing the forum URL's board= (or similar), going through all combinations to eventually find it. I can't remember the ID off the top of my head, and I don't intend to go to neopets.com anytime soon, can someone else please look up on this?

>> You can go to jelly world by just going to http://www.neopets.com/jelly/

To get to the Jelly World Board, go to http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/boardlist.phtml?board=18

-- PinkDeoxys 23:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• If I recall correctly, you need some javascript funkiness (and a browser like Opera that will let you add it into the page) to post on the Jelly World board since it's not in the given drop-down list of boards to post a new topic on, but not to view the board itself or reply to an existing topic. Kiti 04:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

erm.... you just paste something in the adress bar and then it appears on the dropdown.

Nope, search google how to pose on the board. It's a secret board with a secret way to post it. 210.49.194.248 07:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC) [mightyxjess]

[edit] Suitability of article

This entire article and its spawnlets elsewhere on Wikipedia seems a gigantic commercial for someone's website, that is clearly one of thousands out there designed to part fools and their money. I'm sorely tempted to list this junk for Vfd; haven't made up my mind yet, so all you gamecruft addicts (and any sockpuppets) have fair warning so you can flood the Vfd.... Bill 13:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Neopets is free, unless you have Premium. -- PinkDeoxys 13:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you have any more-tangible suggestions for this specific article, instead of just a VfD threat and a vague "reads like an advertisement"? (Although I would agree that articles like Marapets indeed need much cleaning up, if that's what you meant by "spawnlets".) As to the part about "parting fools and their money", I'm not entirely certain you've aquainted yourself with Neopets, since it's a free site with their Premium service not even visible to most users. AySz88^-^ 17:08, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Bill Thayer, bring forward a proposed solution to the problems you perceive instead of making threats, or you are going to find yourself being discredited by the community. On an unrelated note, I did some work on the Marapets article and hopefully it looks slightly better. --Sn0wflake 00:05, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

While I doubt this article is in any danger of being listed on Articles for Deletion, if it is, the editors over there seem to really like Alexa rankings. [1] As I write this Neopets.com is pulling an Alexa ranking of 131, which should be more than sufficient to ward off claims of non-notable gamecruft. Kiti 04:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I feel it is best to either keep Neopets fan sites or remove all of tehm and only link to official Neopets sites. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shellymelly (talk • contribs) .

For now I'm going to leave most of the links you deleted as deleted, unless someone has another opinion, but I'm restoring the link to the List of Neopet Game Guides, since it's a petpage on the official Neopets site, and it's been linked since November. Sadisticality 20:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

People tend to immediately begin to re-add the links, so I don't think it's stable if we don't have links to the largest sites (by Google pagerank, perhaps?).

Alternately, we could try linking to just http://directory.google.com/Top/Games/Online/Virtual_Pets/Neopets/ , but it doesn't group sites that well because some of the most predominant sites are in the sub-categories. --AySz88^-^ 03:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it's been shown by now that clearing all of the links isn't stable - people just re-add them. I tried putting the link to the Google directory, as the Pagerank algorithm is relatively objective, so we'll see if that works. --AySz88^-^ 01:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That experiment didn't last too long - Shellymelly (talk • contribs) changed all the links soon afterwards. --AySz88^-^ 18:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Premium over?

Note from anonymous person: I'm pretty sure that this "Premium" thing no longer exists. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.179.172.217 (talk • contribs) 02:50, January 4, 2006 (UTC). (moved comment from article to talk page)

I think it's still around, as I'm using it. --AySz88^-^ 03:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Premium isnt even close to being over. It is more popular now than ever. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.97.142.121 (talk • contribs) 23:06, January 31, 2006 (UTC).

I'm using Premium as we speak! -- PinkDeoxys 13:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah Premium shall never end! Though it is not at its most popular.Deathfoe 13:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Founding

Referring to the discussion about Thomas Deaton and Adam Garner allegedly being co-founders of the site with Adam Powell and Donna Williams, it appears that consensus was reached in favor of these allegations. The discussion refers to a flash animation and a legal document, apparently viewed by some of those who participated in the discussion, that are not available at present. It seems that as per the above discussion, some sort of mention of Deaton and Garner is in order for the article. Theshibboleth 13:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I had thought of looking at the Internet Archive to validate or invalidate the allegations, but Neopets.com's owners have apparently opted to not have their site included in the Internet Archive. Does anyone know of any other sites that do the same thing as the Internet Archive? Theshibboleth 13:30, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Reading through the discussion, there seems to be evidence of Adam Garner's involvement (a mention of a second Adam in the news section on Neopets, and a mention in an interview with Adam Powell, both linked to in the discussion), but not Deaton's (one mention on Google before this discussion, a flash animation that could easily have been faked and which probably wouldn't have had sound in the dial-up days of 1999, a legal document which hasn't had proof given of its existence, and he gets the location, even the country, of Neopets' original offices incorrect [Guildford, not Beverley Hills]). Adam Garner could be added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.135.134.231 (talk • contribs) 01:36, February 6, 2006 (UTC).

The discussion is very very old, and most of the original participants don't seem to be around anymore, so I'm not sure it's wise to change the article now. --AySz88^-^ 04:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Add Garner, but not Deaton. -- PinkDeoxys 13:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AntiNeopian

I believe that AntiNeopian should be included in Wikipedia because 7 ProNeopian links have been accepted. Currently, AntiNeopian is the largest anti-neopets site and, in my opinion, a link should be accepted to balance the ProNeopian POV in this article.

- Tezeti

If it is decided that no fansites be listed, this discussion has no meaning, but listing no fansites means that the External Links section will be very unstable, due to people constantly adding links to the largest, most-notable fansites.

It should be noted that this was already discussed. The previous discussion is stored in the archive (see /Archive 1). An RfC in the "Style" category was listed, but no comments were received.

I still think this Anti-Neopets thing is not notable, especially this supposedly "largest" site. On the day I removed the link, the site was only a forum, and it had recieved only 43 posts in the past 23 hours. "Balance" is not needed for NPOV, as that implies equal treatment, which is a poor idea for Wikipedia. (In Global Warming, you wouldn't give equal treatment between proponents and opponents, for example. One expert said that, even in its current state, the Global Warming article was giving too much to those who deny its existance. Wikipedia already needs to work on distinguishing between NPOV and giving things more than their due.)

I also don't think the other fansites are "pro" Neopets, as that implies that there is some sort of tension going on between two sides, which there doesn't seem to be. Things from Pink Poogle Toy were sources for many things in User Criticisms, for example. It seems like there are just as many complaints about TNT at PPT as at AntiNeopian, except at PPT that might be balanced out a bit by some of the diehard regulars there. In any case, if there seems to be more complaining at a pro-Neopets site than the largest anti-Neopets site, I really don't think the site or movement is notable. --AySz88^-^ 03:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Do it the way PayPal treats paypalsucks.com; include an external link to it in the section on controversy but not at the bottom. Nifboy 01:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

The following comment was added to the main article ("Controversy" section) by User:Neoadam and moved here by me. Powers 19:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Only 2 accounts have ever been deleted! It was in the neopian times answered by Donna herself...The NT is a news paper devoted to the users.--Neoadam 19:32, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

My account was one of the ones deleted. :'( -- PinkDeoxys 13:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

-Posted by Jess, i Do belive she said Only 2 PETS have ever been deleted. Many accounts have been deleted.

No, accounts are frozen/disabled.

Yes, long unused accounds are deleted. They do this every so many years. I think there has only been one to date. -- Jelly Soup 01:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a link to that specific Neopian Times article, Neoadam? Maybe that would clear things up. --Tati 21:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC) Wikichik

There is a difference between frozen and deleted. Once your account has been frozen for a certain amount of time (1 year or more), they delete that account (but make sure the username cant be reused) and you cannot get it back, ever. However, if you have been frozen for less than that time and you were frozen unfairly or something you MIGHT get it back (it wasnt fully deleted) if you ask nicely and have a good reason. ALSO under hacks and glitches, it doesnt mention that time (I forget when) but if you logged out you were logged into a ghost account. You couldnt do much but join guilds (it kept changing since many people were logged into that ghost account at one time). There were other things you could do but I forget. I'm sure someone else remembers this. The article mentions a glitch about "ghost neofriends" but thats not what I'm talking about. It also says "The error can still be seen on that day only by a hacker." what does that mean?. Another thing... about the + sign on the boards showing as a religious cross, it does not work anymore, meaning, if you post the plus sign nothing shows up on your post. - Chelles17-- 58.169.209.172 10:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

if anyone wants to write a paragraph, there is a glitch on neopets right now (so maybe write a paragraph when its over). Apparently it all stated around 6 or 7pm NST 16th June 2006. When you play a flahs game it doesnt give you neopoints, the auctions are clogged (now its 7.45am the next day and "Neopian Auction Status : roughly 30,030 left to process. Average Wait Time : 180 minutes." there has not been an auction processed yet.), many people have neopoints stuck in losing auctions. apparently when sell something in your shop you dont get neopoints (when you withdraw the nps from your til). its 5.30pm (neopets time) on the 17th and the games were fixed by 11am, but auctions are still clogged (54,000 auctions left to process, this number is usually only about 100) - Chelles17 --58.169.209.172 15:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My 2 cents and edit

Firstly, I have added a paragraph to the Controversy section of the article, summarizing the cookie grabbing scare which recently occured on NeoPets. Please read my paragraph and give me feedback on my writing skills. Also feel free to correct any mistakes I make.

Secondly, there are some broken links on Wikipedia. When I click on them, nothing at all happens. No new page loads and no error message appears. These links appear as numbers in square brackets. I think these links point to anchors which no longer exist. I don't know where the anchors used to be, so I can't directly edit to help.

Thirdly, I think that if we cannot confirm the claims that NeoPets had four co-founders instead of two, we should add it to the already-long Controversy section.

Fourthly, because scams are common on NeoPets, the most common ones should be included in the article for the sake of completeness. The reason is included in the next paragraph.

Lastly, I do not agree with someone's decision to take down information about the NeoBoards and player types, etc. because it would not be of interest to those who are not familiar with the site. There are many amatuer Neopians who may visit this article to find out more about NeoPets (like myself, and I consider myself an advanced Neopian and have been playing for over 4 years). Information about the abbrevations commonly used in NeoPets, player types, Neoboards, etc.

I hope you consider the points I have put forward. Feel free to contact me if you need to inform me of something, and also to give feedback on the paragraph I wrote about the cookie grabbing scare.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:55, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

My 2 cents... reading through the article, as a neopets addict myself, it seems to read as a "problems with neopets guide", I think its because the controversy section is so big. Also while talking about "poor" security on neopets I think its fair to talk about the new security PIN system. - Chelles17-- 58.169.209.172 10:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mergeing of the page Neopets Faeries

The page Neopets Faeries should be merged into this page....

• It is related to Neopets.
• It needs rewording (It is plagiarized).
• It has been messed up from the start.
• I personally think it should be.

--B7342 23:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Faries are a very large topic. It is at least a few pages big don't do it... -lego3400 —This unsigned comment was added by 68.170.1.82 (talk • contribs) .

Keep it as it is. -- PinkDeoxys 16:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

As I've said on the faeries page, that's all stuff that can sorted out by editing the page, not merging. I've rewritten a lot of it and most of it should be ok now.

Keep as it is. The neopets article needs less information in it, not more! It's far too big, and there is a lot of info in the faeries article. It definitely warrants its own article IMHO. --Tim ^{(talk), (contribs)} 11:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the Neopet's page is far too large. Leave the Faerie page as is. If anything, I believe we should break down the main Neopet's page into several, shorter, more convinient articles. The edd08 10:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

I've noticed that although references have been changed to the new style, they don't work at all because there's no reference list at the bottom! Someone HAS to fix this; what's the point of having reference links without a reference list? Darkhooda 18:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

i dont like neopets. its for geeks and nerds. it is sorta babyish

Everyone thinks I'm a bit of a geek anyway, so I really don't care what YOU think. -- PinkDeoxys 13:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

References are fixed. Joelito 00:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 160 million USD Factoid and Immersive Advertising

Completely necessary to have the 160 mil. thing in both the first and third paragraphs? Also, in the article, there's two sections on immersive advertising that say basically the same thing. Hanzolot 00:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are parts of the Neopets article copied? (plagiarized)

I was just looking at http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/index.php/Neopets and large parts of their article seem identical to the one here. I'm not sure which article on which site came first but in some cases the wording is exactly or nearly the same. (I first noticed that several sentences in the Basics section were word for word the same when I edited it today.) Cloveapple 03:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The Wikipedia one came first. Archive.org shows the information on the neopets Wikipedia page on 1st March 2005, the latest pinkpt.com cache on there is from April 1st 2005 and the Neodex page that has the identical information didn't exist then, it's at least a month younger. The layout is identical to Wikipedia's layout too, they've stolen it from here not the other way round. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wiki Flamingo (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Archived

Just as a note to everyone, I archived a bunch of really old discussions. That's why the talk page is suddenly much shorter. ;) Hbackman 01:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links-My Solution

The amount of external links now is large. Way too large. At the time of writing there are 16. I suggest these should be shrunk down to a more manageable amount. The amount seems to get higher and higher as more adverts are being placed on it. What I need is a consensus on which articles get kept and which don't.

My idea is to keep only one hate site,PPT,the two official websites and the 2 other highest-traffic sites and to delete all others. Give me your thoughts here on any ideas on this or any improvements to the idea. J.J.Sagnella 15:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

So should I go ahead and do it? J.J.Sagnella 15:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. -- PinkDeoxys 16:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant! Someone agrees with me. As the reaction so far is positive, I've come up with my official proposition for the neopets links. See what you think. If a few other people say it's good, I'll go ahead and change it. J.J.Sagnella 17:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The 4 links in alphabetical order (how it will be), no description will be made on any of the links, just the name of the website:

• Jellyneo
• NeoItems
• Nothing but Neopets
• PPT J.J.Sagnella 17:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a good goal, but I don't think it'll be stable - people will probably end up trying to re-add more links again. What I tried to do was add a couple of directories of Neopets sites - Google Directory, the Petpage guide, etc. - but that didn't seem to work. --AySz88^-^ 21:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

And you think It wouldn't be easy to revert back? The current situation is more unstable than my plan will ever be. J.J.Sagnella 21:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

You can try it, but having to revert a lot against anonymous users probably constitutes edit warring, and stability is a criteria for both WP:GA and WP:FA. --AySz88^-^ 21:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

How about we just try it for 1-3 months and see if it works? J.J.Sagnella 21:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

As I said, you can try it, and see if it becomes obvious that it's working or not working. --AySz88^-^ 21:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do it. I'll see how it goes. J.J.Sagnella 22:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we should link to any fan sites. It is against Neopets rules.

Bear in mind this is Wikipedia not Neopets. On here, we usually have links to major mansites to give users more to read about when they finish the article and are intrested in more. J.J.Sagnella 17:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Well some sites most definitly will be mad when finding out about this. Maybe have a way to add or delete fan sites to be fair. Maybe.

It is possible to change the list of fansites. It is however quite hard to change, to stop people just coming straight to Wikipedia and using it as billboard space. J.J.Sagnella 21:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NeoCharge!

On 31 March 2006/1+2 April 2006, Neopets added NeoCharge which charged the user his/her own Neopoints to use many parts of the site. Shouldn't any information be added on this? -Oreos, 2:02, 1 April 2 (UTC)

This is totally an April Fools' joke. I for one will leave the information about it in the article (someone already put it in) for a day, just in case it's not a joke, but I really suspect that it is. Hbackman 02:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Neopets says they're trying to balance inflation, which, actually, is a good reason to keep it up, but it has to be a joke nevertheless. Oreos 14:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep, if they reduced the charges by a factor of 40ish, it would be good to kill inflation. --AySz88^-^ 21:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strongly Biased

I feel that the article on Frozen Accounts, people being able to report another user "that results in unnessessary freezings", needs to be cleared. I admit, it seems that people can be frozen for the smallest of reasons, but also, Staff members are paid to go through reports and freeze whoever is breaking the rules. In the event that you are frozen unfairly, you will have your account returned.

I will obviously wake up to about 100 usertalk messages from people stating that they where "unfairly" frozen, and not had their accounts returned. If you read the rules, your account can be frozen for somthing as simple as saying can I borrow your *insert item here* for full collat??

It may seem to be unfair at the time, but in reality, you will not be frozen unless you actually did somthing. It has taken me quite some time to realize this.

I plan on going through these particular parts of the article and prune where needed to take out some of the obviously biased views.Sod Aries

If there are any biased statements without references to back them up, you can pretty much remove them without much protest. Of course, if you can find a reference, that would be better (i.e. "Joe Expertneopetsplayer Smith says that unfair freezings can result." instead of just "Unfair freezings can result"). If you really think it's inaccurate, find a source that sets things straight. --AySz88^-^ 21:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a note, plently of people do get frozen even if they don't do the wrong thing. Sometimes the 'automated system' cant even tell you. (Try login in a random account, try ado. use any passwords and see what reason comes up) Of course then there are cookie grabbers and such

Regarding the above comment, Ad0 happened to be one of the worst hackers Neopets ever dealt with. To prevent utter chaos, TNT also happens to have a response for that system that refrains from telling users. The Neopets Team does not make money off of removing users, and before all else, they are a corporation, and survive off their users. It is my personal experience that honest mistakes do get corrected if reported to them in a POLITE, CIVIL manner. And why, exactly, are you going around trying to log into random people's accounts? Ad0 isn't active on Neopets anymore, but I doubt he'd like that if he was.

I am aware of Ad0, that was not his account i don't belive. In my personal expirance, TNT seem to have too much to deal with to correct some mistakes. I've had a long 6month battle about an unnessarcy freezing and they have not replied to my emails since, and even changed their mind about the reason for the freezing. Anyway, i was using this (the account) as an EXAMPLE to prove the automated system. I am not attemping to login to other users, you can't do that if they are frozen.

Accounts are always frozen for a reason just that the neopets staff doesnt always know the reason or care to find out for example: __ice_bot__ respectable member 4 accounts straight frozen for scamming (including a new account that was not even email verfifed) this is exactly what gives rise to the belief of an automated icing system. Also different reasons have been known to be given for the freezing from what was posted on the account when TNT is contacted.

My accounts, toknowtheunown and anne45112, were frozen for "Posting inappropriate messages on the boards". I had done no such thing. 6 months later and they're still frozen. >.< -- ~PinkDeoxys~ 18:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

If you make a trade with some1 who is scamming you can get your acount frozen.

[edit] Weasel words

Hey everyone. Great work on this excellent (and very extensive) article! While I was reviewing it for Featured Article status, I came across an important issue which hopefully will provide some impetus for a copy-edit - there appears to be a pretty serious abundance of weasel words which hurt the overall neutrality of the article and aren't backed up by appropriate references or citations. Here's an example:

• Some users believe that the users of Neopets are poorly treated and considered nothing more than mere statistics, that the site has lost its friendliness over the years, and that the level of customer service has degraded considerably. Many users believe that the Neopets staff freeze accounts too often and without good reason; data from Yamipoli.com, which rates virtual pet sites, shows the frozen user amount is 45%. Users are allowed to report one another; some of these "reports" are not thoroughly checked and thus, unnecessary freezing occurs. Bugs and glitches on games can also account for some of these freezings. Some users that had been unfairly frozen can get their account unfrozen by sending the reasons of wrong freezings. However, some users have sent in complaints, yet they have not been unfrozen. This causes them to turn against neopets. Yet, in general belief, not all innocents can get their accounts unfrozen.

I highlighted the particularly offending weasel words in bold, and the other uncited "some users..." (in italics) should also merit some concern. More information can be found at Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words. This paragraph's only a small example, but they're found throughout the entire article. Alexthe5th 10:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I suggest removing this paragraph altogether. Comments? T. J. Day 22:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

As noted by Alexthe5th, that was only one small example of weasel words used in this article, there probably needs to be a bigger cleanup to restore NPOV to the article 151.152.101.44 16:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I found another instance:

Some users also complained about the starting of Neopets Premium, arguing that in order for Neopets to be truly "Free to Play", there should not be any extra features for people who pay to play. The starting of Neopets Premium has made more people worried about the possibility of Neopets becoming "Pay to Play" in the future, although Neopets has announced many times that they will always be "free." and, as noted previously, there are many weasel words in this article; it requires major cleanup.

[edit] Neoboards

I deleted the recently added comments concerning the now-defunct General Chat because they needed citations (concerning the girl being abducted, because I remember reading news reports about this),and added nothing to the section. The last two additions looked more like replies to a posted message rather than an actual article. If someone wants to re-add information about the Neoboards, research would be appreciated. Lmblackjack21 22:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

{Jess} I posted that, i am trying to find some evidence. Possibly even scan the newspapers and post screenies of staff if i have too. If anybody has citation about this please post, i can't find much.

[edit] Favouritism

Would everyone be OK with just getting rid of this section altogether? Everything that gets added needs citation, which seems impossible to get, apart from the paragraph about it being female/child-orientated which not only needs citation of a place where people have complained but seems more like marketing at a certain demographic rather than favouritism. And it keeps getting hijacked with comments complaining about random things and users on the site that can't be proven, it seems more trouble than it's worth.

I agree that this should be removed. T. J. Day 22:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

This should be removed. -- PinkDeoxys 11:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. Any part that will repeatedly get ruined should go away. B katt 500 02:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

I have marked the links section as having a biased point of view because it fails to represent anti-neopets beliefs.

The critisism section has been removed before. I was not involved in the process, but I cannot think of a good reason as to why it should be in the article. Ixistant 16:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Tezeti requested mediation from the Mediation Cabal here as the link to AntiNeopian.org was removed. I'm interested in mediating this.

I ask for a link to the diff page with this removal and for all parties to comment below. I can then begin mediating. Thank you. Computerjoe's talk 20:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I think a compromise could be made with antineopian.org being in the references section? Traffic-wise it's small fry compared to the main fansites. J.J.Sagnella 07:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

But does the article actually reference antineopian.org? You can't just add a reference! Computerjoe's talk 08:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

No, the main article does not reference AntiNeopian (AN) at all, although it does have a 'User Criticisms' section in the main article. I do not see a good reason for having AntiNeopian linked to at the bottom of the article as it is a hate site, a small one at that, and if every article on Wikipedia linked to hatesites on th subject of the article, then it would look very messy and disorganised. Personally, I think that their should be a poll on the talk page to decide if AntiNeopian should be linked to. Ixistant 14:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

It could be argued that adding a link to a hate site is point-of-view. However, it could also be argued that by removing it point of view is being expressed. Computerjoe's talk 16:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think that the "Anti-Neopian movement" (or whatever the exact term is) even has a spot in the article more than a sentence or two, especially if it is the "largest" such Anti-Neopian site, per Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight. Their effect on Neopets is minimal compared to the Australian media or the Scientology issue, and one would expect an Anti-Neopets site to deal with such things, but it has appeared to me that the site is more made up of disgruntled players (and I think the fansites have more of that than this site does). AntiNeopian don't seem to touch the things discussed in the article.

I'll run through a lot of observations I made:

To repeat the analysis I had made a while back, their Invision board currently reports the date and time to be "Apr 15 2006, 11:42 PM" (about a half-hour before midnight). The "Todays Top 10 Posters" list contains only 5 people with a total of 15 posts, which hardly indicates any existing influence on the general perception of Neopets.

There appears to have been some growth with a layout change, etc., but now that I look closer at the links, all of the pages within the same domain 404-out except the main page and the wiki. The wiki contains only 28 "probably legit" pages and only 18 edits in the past 30 days.

I don't see anything that supports having the link there: the site doesn't deal with anything that would be in the article and seems very incomplete and low-traffic. I should admit that I suspect they are trying to place a link here in order to get more traffic to their site; if that is the goal, I would suggest improving their site first, to make it popular such that it would appear on Wikipedia by its own merit. It should be much better than going the opposite direction, trying to put a link on Wikipedia to make it popular and then improve their site.

--AySz88^-^ 04:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this the most notable criticism site? If it isn't, perhaps the biggest could be linked to? Computerjoe's talk 20:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

AntiNeopian is one of the biggest criticism sites, but if you compare it to all of the other external links on the article, it's absolutely tiny. I do not see the point in giving a link to a website that is very small and does not update very often. The last time I saw the site was a year ago, and I just looked at it there and it was exactly the same. There should be a part in the article that mentions how the people who run these sites feel, but that's as far as it should go. Ixistant 11:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You need references for this, and I imagine the best reference would be off such a site. Computerjoe's talk 12:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

So there is one mention of it in the reference section? J.J.Sagnella 12:48, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It is important that somewhere the site is needed to be referenced. Please confirm? Computerjoe's talk 15:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Reference added (see this edit). --AySz88^-^ 20:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

All parties agreed? Computerjoe's talk 08:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. J.J.Sagnella 15:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine. So we all agree that the issue is resolved and should not be brought up again, much like the fansites? Ixistant 17:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Not brought up again in the near-future, anyway; things can always change in the long-term, so it shouldn't be a permanent and stagnant decision. --AySz88^-^ 18:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I also agree that this issue should not be brought up again in the near-future. тəzєті 20:32, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article nomination has failed

The Good article nomination for Neopets has failed, for the following reason:

I find this article has too many disputes. Too much POV to be a good article. Computerjoe's talk 18:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Please be a little more specific, so we can work on all of the problematic parts? --AySz88^-^ 04:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Though the Controversy is clearly well-maintaned, you can still see traces of POV. Computerjoe's talk 14:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Long article and Criticism section.

This article is about 59 kilobytes long. The Criticism section is about 6 pages long. Perhaps it deserves its own article? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Computerjoe's talk 16:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Yea. It's good enough where it is. Ixistant 22:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Wockypedia- the Neopets Wiki"

As an analog to Wookieepedia- the Star Wars Wiki, has anyone thought of making a Neopets wiki? Wockypedia would be perfect. --Shultz IV 11:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Pinkpt has made a neopets wiki. I'll see if I can find the link.Here we go.[2] It cuurently isn't very good though and hence not referenced to. J.J.Sagnella 16:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, someone already tried making a Neopets Wiki -- and it failed. This is where it was rejected. (It's number three on that list) Funnybunny (^talk/_QRVS) 04:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that was rejected because it was a duplicate of this wiki at wikia, which was created. As far as I know, none of the Neopets wikis have gotten very far yet. --AySz88^-^ 04:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

The NeoDex at http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/ looks to be growing rather fast with more Neopians beginning to use it and adding/editing articles as such. Snapshot: As of Monday, 29 May 2006 at 18:38 there were 759 articles on the NeoDex. A pretty big jump from 200 from the previous month. I guess we'll see how good it gets - but so far, looks the most promising.--139.168.3.208 18:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Favorite Neopets websites

I have a neopets website I am setting up. May I put it under neopets websites? --Laura 22:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Alas, on wikipedia we only add links to sites with good content which are already high-traffic. But we wish you lots of Luck for your site. J.J.Sagnella 12:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks anyways. Once its fast-traffic, I will post again. --Laura 22:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Selected Fansites

Could I add the high traffic Dlaa.net, which is a Neopets Adoption Agency? I believe it has the second highest number of traffic as an adoption agency.

Sorry, but it has too little traffic and does not meet the need of why we have links on Wikipedia. We have links so people can go to it if they have finished reading the article and would like more information on the subject, with a level of detail too specific for an encyclopedia. Unfortunately, adoption agencies don't meet the need and hence have no point. J.J.Sagnella 06:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Umm, how would you know if it gets too little traffic? It gets an average of 350,000 unique hits a month.

Can you at least give a reference which proves its traffic statistics? Anyone can make up a large number. While I'm prepared to believe you, it won't go in unless you can show its high traffic. --Tim 20:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Looking at this We can see clearly the link is overpowered on traffic and content by the other links without a question of a doubt. This site has never had a daily reach higher than a million.J.J.Sagnella 20:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Alexa? Computerjoe's talk 20:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather not give you proof since I am not authorized to do so. But since you say only Neopets related sites are not allowed, I guess you don't need it afterall. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.167.53.86 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 24 May 2006.

As said Alexa provides proof. For example, Dlaa.net. Computerjoe's talk 07:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

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Would it be possible to add NeoLodge.com? It's relatively new, but it's traffic isn't bad and it's grown quite a bit (visitor and content wise).

Sorry but Wikipedia is not a link farm or a billboard. Anymore than 4 would be starting to go into Link Farm territory. And if we add this one link then who is to say if we should add say,200 links? Unless you can give a reasoned argument to remove or change one of the links, i'm afraid the answer is no. J.J.Sagnella 14:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

IMO no:Look at this graph [3]. Computerjoe's talk 14:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay. JellyNeo has been down quite a bit lately. It's not nearly as reliable as the other sites there. Recently, NeoLodge's traffic has been comparable to JellyNeo's. Also notice NL's is going up, JN's is going down. Also, there's only 4 fansite links ,not 5?

Sorry Good Point. Changed. J.J.Sagnella 19:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Doesn't like it's been changed, though?

I know it was a silly typo.. J.J.Sagnella 21:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, are you going to add NL?

Nope. J.J.Sagnella 12:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, but is there a reason. It's traffic isn't as much as JN's but it's comparable. The amount of content + frequency of updates is about the same.

I've removed jellyneo.net due to the fact it doesn't really appear special compared to the other sites and is the weakest. Pretty much everything on that site can be found on other sites. If anyone objects, I'll bring jellyneo.net back though. J.J.Sagnella 21

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I would like to add a link to a Neopets Lottery Ticket Generator that I made. I feel this is a useful tool as it allows users to generate and automatically purchase up to twenty lotto tickets each day, the max allowed by neopets.com. Without this tool the task of generating numbers and manually entering them can be quite tedious. In addition, I feel this would add a bit of diversity to the fan site listings.

I would also like to note that the fan site Jellyneo as listed under external links now seems to be down/ missing.

Jsholm 22:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)jsholm

The link in question is: http://www.jasonholm.com/neolotto.html

Jsholm 22:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)jsholm

A more direct link is: http://www.jasonholm.com/cgi-bin/neolotto.cgi (Sorry for the triple posting)

Jsholm 22:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)jsholm

I don't feel that this would be considered a "fansite". Though it is a useful tool (and I will personally be trying it) it doesn't seem to be notable enough to be considered a "Selected Fansite". Kalani ^[talk] 23:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Although Jsholm is probably a fan, I can see where one could possibly make a distinction between his site and a fan site. Still, I think this type of resource would be of value to those that would visit this page. A possible method of inclusion for this site is to put it under a new heading for auxiliary tools and programs. I’ve seen a decent number of sites that have simple programs or scrips on them that sell items for you, visit the snowager, run timers, collect interest, etc. a compilation of these sites would be very useful. Also, anyone have a problem with me temporarily removing Jellyneo if it isnt up by tomorrow? I'm not sure how long it has been down. Wirewood Shadow 00:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)Wirewood_Shadow

I agree completely. Please Remember the purpose of External Links on Wikipedia, to give extra information, too specific for an encyclopedia. So really we're looking for things like really detailed guides to games, really detailed stuff in general. J.J.Sagnella 08:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, it seems that jellyneo is down for good. I'll remove it, but if anyone objects I'll being it back up. J.J.Sagnella 08:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are petpages called webbies?

I would like to raise the following question: are petpages really called webbies? I do not know very much about Neopets. Invitatious 23:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I've rarely heard a petpage called a "webbie". Kalani ^[talk] 00:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I think I have heard be called tham once or twice, but definitely not very often. J.J.Sagnella 06:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It kinda sounds like a short form of "website" (in general). Googling "neopets webbie", it looks like there are a lot of references to "guild webbies" and such. I doubt it's just specific to petpages. --AySz88\^-^ 04:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

As a general rule, petpages are called petpages, and webbie is used almost exclusively for guild websites. When a guild website is hosted on (a) petpage(s) then it is often still called a webbie. Hope that helps. --Tim ^{(talk), (contribs)} 15:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nimmo's Pond stolen from Orisinal?

The "accused plagiarism" section states that "Games, such as "Turmac Roll," "Warf Rescue Team," and "Nimmo's Pond," are similar to Orisinal's "Panda Run," "These Little Pigs," and "Hydrophobia""

This is outrageous. Sure, Turmac Roll and Warf Rescue Team, maybe, but Nimmo's Pond is an Asteroids clone. Whatever this Hydrophobia is, let me point out that Asteroids was there first. --Bobadot 08:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the rules of Hydrophobia and Asteroids/Nimmo's Pond are fairly different - though they both feature frogs on lilypads. Perhaps replace that example with "Hasee Bounce"-"It Takes Two". (I distinctly remember that Orisinal's creator noted the similarity between the last two in the "news" section, but he soon took that down and I have to assume that he was somehow appeased.) --AySz88\^-^ 04:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing and improving the article

The previous Good Article and Featured Article nominations failed. However, I think the article has improved considerably since then, and, with a little work, should qualify for Good Article. I am willing to collaborate with other editors to improve NeoPets into a Good Article.

The main objections in the Featured Article nomination were use of weasel words, lack of citations, the lead section and POV issues.

The use of weasel words, is, I'm afraid, something we cannot avoid. These criticisms are user opinion and most of them are true. It is very difficult to find reliable sources which detail these criticisms. The best resource would be anti-NeoPets sites, forums and statements by top players. However, these will not be considered reliable sources. In addition, I have spotted cases of editors adding names of famous Neopians as examples to prevent weasel-wording. The names were quickly removed.

The most improved aspect of the article is the citations. The number of citations has grown, and a reasonable percentage are third-party references. Although we can still improve in this area, I think it should pass the Good Article criteria for being referenced.

As for the lead section, this will be relatively easy to fix, compared with the weasel wording. It will take me some time and discussions to decide what should go into the lead section. Feedback and suggestions are most appreciated.

Finally, for the POV issues, I do not spot any egregious POV issues in the article. There may be some more subtle issues, but these are beyond my ability, and other editors should work on them.

I hope to collaborate with other editors to make this a Good Article.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

(moved from top of page --AySz88\^-^ 04:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

I have already "fixed" the lead a little, at least the bit about having information in the lead that is not detailed in the article. That information (which was all about the company) was moved down into the section about the company, and I wrote a new lead paragraph. --AySz88\^-^ 04:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

(continued) Weasel words: I marked the locations where "obvious" weasel words had been used with "citation needed" tags, especially since there would automatically be a more-specific attribution as soon as a cite is found (it'd be attributed to whoever is the author of the reference). However, the statements must be attributed to a coherent group, not just "some users" or "such and such user", since if it were only from a small number of users, it would not be a notable-enough position for its inclusion in the article. I hope that explains why adding the name of a few famous Neopians (and without a cite, if I remember) doesn't work.

Citing: If we're citing opinions, reactions, or observations of regular users, anti-Neopets sites and forums are fine, just like how PPT forum threads have been cited as evidence of this or that glitch. For in-game data, I think it's good enough to cite non-forum material on fansites (i.e. a guide or NeoColours) as they're as close to authoritative as one can get outside of official Neopets places. --AySz88\^-^ 04:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy too long?

I believe the controversy section to be too long, as do other people. Surely subjects like Hacks and Glitches deserve their own seperate heading, when their content is written with no real link back to the original topic of Controversy - User Critisism.

[edit] neopetsfansite.com

I would like to submit the website www.neopetsfansite.com as one of the external link for neopets. this site has all the contents fans will need. (Jerry Heller 00:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)).

I don't think so. The forum has only three members. J.J.Sagnella 08:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] InfamousX241

In the hacks and glitches section, there is a picture with the caption "A page from a letter allegedly sent to "InfamousX241" from Neopets/Viacom." However, there is no mention of InfamousX241 besides the picture and references 29, 30, and 31; which are all alone on an empty line. If InfamousX241 is going to be mentioned in references, there should be some information about him in the article.

I remember alot of info on him, maybe somebody got rid of it? Mightyxjess 07:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darigan Citadel should've won

I am sure the Neopian people decided that they prefered the Haunted Wooods team better because theyb are: orange and brown; I for one think that sunset pink and red with dark purple is much more satisfying. --Oriana is cool 21:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree that Darigan should have won, but I don't think TNT had any influence over who won. -- ~PinkDeoxys~ 04:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Ditto, Darigan lost because of iy's bad rap in plots.

Let's keep three things in mind:

1. Darigan was only really popular during it's plot. And that had more to do with the way the plot was run.

2. The Cup was the first event to involve the Haunted Woods in any major way. DUH, people will side with them.

3. This page is for discussion on improving the quality of the Neopets article. -- Jelly Soup 06:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jellyneo.net

I think that it should be readded as a fansite due to it being up and running for a while, and has releases os upcoming events relatively early. Hello32020 23:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately it owuld be a better idea not to as Wikipedia's rules ask articles to have as fewer unofficial links as possible. Unfortunately jelllyneo's site traffic is lower than the other three and offers unfortunately nothing special, and if it has nothing special then i guess we are just listing fansites for the sake of listing them, and we could fill pages upon pages but that would be useless. J.J.Sagnella 10:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I would argue that it is jellyneo that has something special, where the other fansites don't. PinkPT hasn't even updated in the last ten days, and Nothing But Neopets is only a rewrite of the news. Neither of them show how to get the latest avatar, or unreleased news. Jellyneo has both of those and is updated several times a day, and is even listed as the top site on PinkPT's topsite list, which is voted on by players. Where are you getting your traffic figures from? Jibbles | Talk 11:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I stand completely corrected if anyone wants to put it back in, I agree with them. J.J.Sagnella 13:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. In view of Nothing But Neopets low figures, and in keeping with your idea to keep as few unofficial links as possible, I have put it in place of NBN. Jibbles | Talk 14:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course bear in mind the ultimate goal and the ultimnate rule for Wikipedia and fansites is either ONE OR A TOPLIST. Let me know what you think of option 2. It might be better for the article, if we can find a good one. J.J.Sagnella 17:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, a toplist would be better. The two I know of are [4] and [5]. I'd be happy with either. Jibbles | Talk 18:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, i don't think they'll do. We need one not owned by a website who is a fansite itself and ideally want to see the three current links on Wikipedia in the first 10. J.J.Sagnella 18:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A handy dandy list of sources you can use

Maintained by Neopets themselves. Go nuts. Also, please cite all sources using the various citation templates. Nifboy 20:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Soupfaerie, Cloudneo, i-petz are pretty good sources for cheats and lookup backgrounds. --Starry.dreams 23:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Um, no. Please read WP:RS to get an idea of what good sources are; fansites are not, The New York Times is. Nifboy 02:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The ridiculous WP:V policy means Neopets will never be well-referenced enough to become a Good Article or Featured Article. Neopets may maintain that list, but the items on the list do not come from Neopets themselves. They come from external newspapers which have offered press coverage on Neopets. Therefore, I believe they are reliable enough. The rule that fansites are not considered reliable will make things difficult for us. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

{{contradict}}? I don't understand the complaint here; The Neopets list links to dozens of reliable articles that we can and should use as sources; the suggestions made in the first reply (although not obvious by virtue of not originally being indented) are a handful of fansites that are not reliable, which is what I was referring to in my second post. Nifboy 04:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

(Starry - are you the same starry as the one that owns AvatarLog? If so, nice job; it's an excellent resource for players. However, this aritcle is for people that aren't really familiar with Neopets, not for Neopets players - try a Neopets wiki like PPT's to add cheats and lookup stuff.)

There are very few recent articles on that list (only 2 from this year so far and 7 from last year), so I don't think there's much we can do with those. Most of those articles contain very little information and mostly of the kind that is in the lead paragraph.

I think primary sources from Neopets pages should be okay (i.e. editorial answers and stats). Fansites can be primary sources of fan opinions, and I think some should be okay too (they're "reliable published reports of people's opinions") — I mean, it shouldn't take much to source something like "the number of accounts in actual use is disputed by users". However, I don't know of good Neopets opinion sites. I remember one site used to have some nice analysis, but I'd might have to dig pretty far back in the page history to find it again.

Also, currently, some of the analysis is original research (like the User Criticisms section, especially the paragraphs about TNT's disorganization with tons of editorial links) and needs to be exported off somewhere else. —AySz88\^-^ 14:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creating separate User criticism page?

Would it be possible to create a separate user criticism page? Other online games (for instance, Maplestory), have separate user criticism pages. This would also make the main Neopets page more stable, as it seems that most anonymous editors choose to edit the criticism section. The total page size of the main Neopets page would be reduced, and we would be more adherent to the NPOV policy. Lmblackjack21 12:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

(Welcome! Next time, please be sure to post new messages near the bottom of the page, so people used to the existing format will actually see your message. :) )

I support this idea, and I feel this would probably improve the article greatly. If there aren't any objections within a reasonable period, consider that a go ahead. :) Something like this might even fall under be bold in updating pages - even if it's something big, if it's obvious that it'll improve the article, just do it! —AySz88\^-^ 04:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Include TheDailyNeopets.com on links

TheDailyNeopets.com is probably the fastest growing website with 15 new peices of content uploaded within the last two weeks, at least 1 a day, adding to tis 200+ pages of help and guides. It has slowly but surely gained traffic and whilst not as high as JellyNeo.net, has surpassed its daily traffic on some occasions (of late, it has been a fine contender; although JN had a huge gain in August due to a sitewide puzzle-plot and giveaways). It surpasses NeoLodge.com and NutinButEverything.com. For more info, check the Alexa Traffic Details comparing JN, NL, PinkPT, NBE, NNoN and TDN. I think it should be added onto the fansites list as it is a major contender to some sites, has a growing forum that has only been open for three weeks, has unique features - Safety Center, Alerts, Turmaculus Alert, Cyodrakes Gaze Plot section - and the vast content list is constantly growing. Any thoughts? 86.27.73.0 14:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Any updates? I ead above about TheDailyNeopets being owned by PPT, and I don't know where the hell he heard that, but it's not true :P It was supported by PPT, who linked to it as a favor, but it is its own site, and is breaking off all connections altogether with PPT; owners had a feud. 86.27.73.0 10:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's quite at the same level as the other three yet, and I'd be more comfortable if it didn't occupy pretty much exactly the same niche as PPT or JellyNeo... Does it have any particular strength relative to those two? —AySz88\^-^ 04:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Well it has it's Safety Center, game guides that are not on any other site, a newbie guide, the only real indepth Cyodrakes Gaze section. Whilst they are not major strengths, its actively working on two unique sections: Full, indepth Premium section, very much like Letos petpage, which has now shutdown, and was the premier resource for everything Premium. This section is under development (I personally am doing it, this is the Head of Content speaking, hence the complete lack of NPOV :P) and will take over Leto's source as the best around, which has been approved by Leto. Also, three staff members are currently scanning in the last three issues of Neopets Magazine, and a very unique feature is the fact that we'll offer parts of the magazine online to view. We're the only site to offer this. 86.27.73.0 16:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Just a comment, scanning in pages from the Neopets magazine might be breaking some sort of copyright. Lmblackjack21 17:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Just In My opinion, we should not link to it. We can't just link to websites as they are nearly equalling the current. Wikipedia's rules dictate either one fansite or one fansite directory, so we're trying to gte it down to one of those 2. J.J.Sagnella 17:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need any more good sources? Here's one.

Click this link and you'll see details of a reliable source you can use in the Neopets article. That link leads to part of the WP:CVG project to create an archive of available offline magazine sources. If you would like a copy of the article, just contact the user specified via User talk or by email, and a scan of the article will be returned.

In this case, the user is me. The magazine article is a 4 page-ish article on the Neopets phenomenon published by the Telegraph Magazine (magazine of the Daily Telegraph). It's a pretty good read, and provides verifiable information from a reliable source. - Hahnchen 03:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

To be frank, I must comment that I would not use The Daily Telegraph as a good source for anything, due to bad experiences with biased articles back when I was watching Philip Pullman closely. However, I don't know whether the single article in question is as biased as what I've seen before, particularly because Neopets is (I think) a lot less liberal than Pullman. —AySz88\^-^ 04:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, even a poorly argued article can serve as citing for (poorly argued) concerns about Neopets. —AySz88\^-^ 04:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The Daily Telegraph carries a right wing bias, that's obvious. I'm not sure exactly how that would affect Phillip Pullman article (I remember an excellent article in which Pullman debated Dr Rowan Williams on the subject of religion though). The Neopets article features in the magazine, there's no real subtext, nor is it an advert of some sort. It does feature interviews and covers the history of the site/company. - Hahnchen 04:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

What was the debate over the Pullman article about? Any links?I also didn't realise that the Willams/Pullman debate was archived online, which you can see here. - Hahnchen 04:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

If the source is considered reliable, I think we should add it as a reference. Hahnchen has sent me some scans of the magazine articles through e-mail, and having played Neopets for 5 years, I can check the accuracy of any information in the magazine article. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, "right-wing bias" can pretty much tell you everything you need to know about the nature of the problems with Pullman articles; it wasn't really a "debate" over the articles, just something I noticed as a fan of Pullman. I was kinda worried about them making a big deal out of Scientology.... Alright, I'll take a look at the Neopets article. :) —AySz88\^-^ 23:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Page

I think there should be a page on how that neopet fansites came and went. And how they handled the new neopets polices. And mention great old fansite which have now gone like neonewsnow(the old owner), neoanon, dizzyneo. Since theses should be added since they are what created the main unoffical communty.82.4.149.205 21:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Something like this can't be created on Wikipedia, because it has a policy of No original research. If it is created elsewhere, it might then be cited here, but nothing here is supposed to be original research. —AySz88\^-^ 23:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neopets vs Pokemon?

I'm just surprised nobody's compared Neopets to Pokemon.At least not here.Just a thought.-R.G. 02:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

There used to be a description of the battledome as "Pokémon-like" but I think it was (or should be) removed, since it's not really true. I don't think something like that would really help the Wikipedia article on Neopets. —AySz88\^-^ 23:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources not cited

Particularly in the "Controversy" section, a LOT of information isn't sourced. For example, "A user with the name "Ad0" once was able to hack into the site, and mess up many pets statistics, something Neopets said was caused by a misfiring lab ray, but no one is certain." Where did this come from? 124.177.40.35 07:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Some anonymous users keep messing around with that paragraph - I'm waiting for the activity to die down some more so that I can (hopefully) quietly remove the whole mess from the article. That section really doesn't belong here. —AySz88\^-^ 02:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree - Controversy does belong there. Peraps only clean up un cited material. I feel a lot of information needs to be kept there. Mightyxjess 07:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism too long

The criticism section is larger then the mian section. It need to eb shortened. Half that stuff no one even cares about anyways and isn't true.

"Neopets has low security compared to yahoo and google"

I have to disagree... neopets is extremely secure. Boo, it has glitches sometimes. Wikipedia goes DFM almost every day. Most large websites do.

It doesnt matter does it? Neopets is full of criticisms, that should be noted i would think. Mightyxjess 07:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neopets Controversy

Moved the controversy section to a new page, due to no objections and 3 complaints about the section being longer than the article.

Lmblackjack21 13:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

While I agree with the creation of a new article, I need to point out two things:

• Move some references to the new article.
• The Controversy section that remains in the main article should not consist of only two paragraphs. Ideally, it should summarize the controversies in 3-4 paragraphs of at least 4 sentences each. If the Controversy section in the main article is too short, you may be accused of POV forking.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sloth????

I'm suprised nobody has compared Dr. Sloth to the animal. I'm wondering, is he a sloth???? OR does it have ANYTHING to do with real sloths????Noahwoo 21:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Not that I know of, no. Nifboy 16:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

No, Sloth is an evil dude on Neopets who randomly gives out morph potions.

[edit] Concerning TNT Usernames

My article on TNT Usernames has recently been deleted and I was told that the staff members of Neopets do not want their usernames released. Is this true? Dorkiie 04:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That's what I've always been told. I also deleted the list because it was more of a trivia-type collection, not necessarily part of the main article. Lmblackjack21 19:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That may be true, but did TNT actually say this? I'd figure if people knew the usernames, chances of being scammed by an impersonator would be less likely. Pardon me for not understanding how this subtopic is irrelevant to the article. Dorkiie 04:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

A list of Neopets administrators doesn't really add anything to the reader's understanding of Neopets. Moreover, unless there's some official listing of their admins on their site somewhere, it isn't verifiable information. If you think a list of administrators might be useful to Neopets users, then I'd suggest you ask the Neopets staff about putting one up on their site somewhere. Zetawoof^(ζ) 05:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Asking TNT sounds like a good idea. Thank you. Dorkiie 07:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ask TNT? Good luck with that Mightyxjess 07:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Petpet

Hi all. Petpet went to AFD recently. The verdict was to merge everything bar the huge list of Petpets with Neopets. Accordingly, I have put the paragraph of information and the image in a new section on this article, and redirected Petpet to here. It remains up to you guys what you do with it. Cheers, Proto::type 11:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why the protection?

Why the protection for the article? Last time I checked,the talk page was only one page long.Was there some big (new) controversy that I didn't know about?Serenaacw 11:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It was semi-protected, due to 5 IP vandals a minute. -Amarkov ^babble 14:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoa,really? Sorry that didn't know that before,I haven't edited this article in a while.Thanks for answering :) Serenaacw 02:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spam Fads?

Are spam fads common in Neopets? An example of a spamfad would be the spam posts about "Harry Potter and the half-blood prince"

Flashn00b 06:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

HELL YES! Sorry, but there are like spamming groups. Sometimes..you know there is a theme i guess. I'm not to sure about any other boards but the HC boards. There are 'famous' spammers, (balet, tara etc...) and it thought it would be nice to note that in this article but i think not..lol. Mightyxjess 07:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who thinks that neopets has to many copy-cat sites?

Not mentioning any sites but neo has way too many.

71.28.52.114 22:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC) Rebakah

Yup like Mara pets? 210.49.194.248 07:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I wonder what's next? A Team fortress 2 fad? Flashn00b 04:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neopets teams up with Nexon

You need to eedit tp include this:

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003380319 http://www.worldscreen.com/newscurrent.php?filename=mtv110906.htm http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=19664&hed=MTV+to+Drive+Kart+Rider+to+the+U.S.&sector=Industries&subsector=EntertainmentAndMedia http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061109/nyth045.html?.v=71 http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-09-2006/0004470780&EDATE=

Very important, id imagine. 82.3.94.23 17:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)