Talk:Mortal Kombat (series)

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[edit] delete stats

Frankly, I'm tired of constantly correcting fake statistics of height weight and age; how about we just remove them completely until we get an entire set of stats (possibly in MKA?) at which time we will know all characters heights and weights and ages hopefully.

I suggested that earlier, since the constant stat changes swamp the more interesting edits to the pages, but the other project members wanted to keep them in.Virogtheconq 19:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mortal Kombat tournament merge

I think that page is frankly not important enough to have an entire article devoted to it, but is important enough to have a section in this page. Comments?Virogtheconq 18:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

It reads more like a fanfic than a Wikipedia article. I wouldn't bother merging it, I'd just flat out delete it. The tournament itself isn't as notable as the games (of which it was only featured in three, and one's canonity is questionable!) or the characters. Any information about the tournament can be gleamed from the pages we already have set up for the games, which explain the backstory just lovely. --L T Dangerous 15:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I say keep it as it is. It deserves its own entry, to distinquish the concept of Mortal Kombat from the actual game series. Itake 05:12, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Having reviewed it a second time, the article has been significantly revised and can stand by itself. If no one objects in the next week or so, I'm thinking of removing the merge tag and trying to link more articles to it. Virogtheconq 18:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why it needs to be seperate. The "Mortal Kombat Tournament" page is nothing more than the storyline that the games, tv shows, etc... follow. It seems more like something that you'd have as part of a larger article. --Marhawkman 01:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's enough information contained in the article that merging it to another would make that one quite long, which is why I think it should stay as-is. Virogtheconq 05:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Well The MK tournament is part of the MK Spectrum--Triple-Quadruple 20:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they should be merged. This page should deal strictly with the game information, and the other should deal with the tournament as a story device. --DragonMaster 00:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Created

Created this page from Mortal Kombat, which needed to be separated into distinct game and series pages. I've basically just copied and pasted the stuff I think should belong here, though this page now needs heavy cleaning and reformatting. Also, could someone perhaps get a copy of the MK dragon symbol and use it to replace the current screencap? Virogtheconq 04:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Well I think they should have a small section about the arcade culture and then put an external wiki link to the Mortal Kombat Tournaments instead of merging the article into one, that would be huge and the tournaments can be independant from this article.

[edit] I would really like this pic to stay

Yes, I know it's "yours" article... I renamed it and moved for a better layout, so please? There's a free space there anyway.

Unfortunately, a GamePro cover discussing Mortal Kombat II doesn't belong on a page discussing the entire series (especially since there is no mention of GamePro anywhere on the page). If there were some article where it's appropriate, I'd have no problem with it - it's just that particular image adds nothing to the page. Virogtheconq

Okay then.

Why are: Mythologies, Special Forces, and Shaolin Monks under both fighting games and non-fighting games? Dessydes 01:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think they were leftovers from back when it was a list of all the games. I removed MKM:SZ and SF from the section. I haven't played SM, but from what I understand there is a small versus component, so I left it in for now. Virogtheconq 02:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A tad questionable?

This is currently posted on the article:

Acclaim produced 2 Mortal Kombat-styled games based on the World Wrestling Federation: "WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game" & "WWF In Your House". Both featured Mortal Kombat-like sprites, moves, and finishers.

Now I can't say I own either of these games. But I highly doubt this statement is wonderfully accurate. I'm aware the sprites for some of the old WWF games look digitised, but I can't quite believe the games are "Mortal Kombat-styled". Wouldn't they be, I dunno, wrestling games? Rather than beat-em-ups? And why would there be MK-like moves and finishers? I've never seen Shawn Michaels kick someone's head clean off, no matter how much the commentators say he may as well have, nor do I think Vincent "Family Entertainment" McMahon would approve of such content in a WWF/E game. Even if the games are fighting style rather than wrestling style, the text needs a rewording so its meaning is clearer. --L T Dangerous 15:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't own either of the games, but I've played Wrestlemania and have seen In Your House. Both games are very much extreme games that go beyond "realistic" simulation, kind of like with the backbreakers in NFL Blitz and the flaming 50 foot high slam dunks in NBA Jam. Undertaker uses a tombstone to bash the crap out of his opponent, Shawn Michaels pulls out a baseball bat from hammerspace, stuff flies out from your opponent when you hit them hard... I never thought of the similarity that way, but now that its mentioned, I think its a fair comparison... Clint 00:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

There are also MK style fatalities, not as gory as MK but still fatalities, for example, HBK summons a heartshaped bed to fall on the opponent, crushing them.

[edit] NBA JAM

I can't belive no one mention the NBA JAM crossover, so I added it.--4.250.6.88 16:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arcade Championship history

I included the championship history for the MK arcade series and people are changing the names of the winners.

I'd like something done about this as I know for a definitive fact about these tournamets as I was actually the winner of the first MK tournament and I don't believe whoever is editing it is acting in good faith.

Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about it. Provide a link and/or print source showing the results and we'll believe whatever's posted in the section - otherwise there's no proof one way or another and the section'll have to be removed.Virogtheconq 17:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe it would be very difficult to get a print source from 1993/4 about arcade tournaments, however I believe the winners were printed in an old issue of Computer and Video Games magazine which I'll try and find.

This arcade championship section has no place at wikipedia in the first place. There have been hundreds of MK tournaments over the years and people still play UMK3 and the 3D games competitively. This isn't the place for tournament results. To be honest nobody cares about a tournament 10 years ago you happened to win.

Actually no, there's only ever been 4 official tournamets as I said before.

Official in what context? Midway-sponsored?Virogtheconq 17:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep apparently. I got to meet a couple of the MK Cast and Crew. "To be honest nobody cares about a tournament 10 years ago you happened to win." Sounds like somebody's jealous.

This article isn't the place for tournament results no matter how "official" they are. It's already cluttered as is. You honestly think people are coming to read this article to find out the names of people they've never heard of who won a tournament 10 years ago? MAYBE it'd something for the actual section on MK1/MK2 and it'd be a lot more interesting if there was some details on the tournament and not just "there was a championship. Here's the names of the people who won".

Dude let me put what your saying into a phrase... you think we should tell people theres stuff thats been done or won but no-one gives a crap about their name. That would be like saying "Oh some guy landed on the Moon but who gives a crap about his name."Zach 06:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Not just the names. None of it should be here.

[edit] How to fight Reptile

Some, but not complete, details were included in this page about how to fight the hidden character Reptile. I added what I think to be the complete requirements for the original arcade version ([1]).

[edit] Thrill Kill... a flop?

Thrill Kill was never released. However on this page, it claims that Thrill Kill was a flop due to excessive violence (???). I removed this due to its inaccuracy.

[edit] Comparatives

The comparatives should stay as they are (bloodier, etc.). They are a correct form, and the form that was originally there. Wikipedia policies tend to give weight to the initial variant in cases when two options are correct. --Eyrian

Well, IIRC comparatives usually are expected to have the same structure - so either use the "more ____" or "____er" form for every term, but not mixed together the way they are now. I'm not really going to argue about it, though.Virogtheconq 23:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

In this case, I think it may be a lost cause. "More Bloody" is awkward, and "brutaler" isn't a word. I think it's probably OK as it is. --Eyrian 00:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Would it be alright to add a story overview for each game?

? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.250.3.114 (talk • contribs) .

Probably not. The article is long enough as it is, and if a reader is interested in the storyline of each game, they can read those individual articles (which need to be retooled to a standardized format anyways). Virogtheconq 16:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

This list really needs to be trimmed down, it's huge! I suggest someone look at each of the list and keep the links that are notable and have a good amount of information. M2K E 18:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I don't have the time to go through every link right now, but I went ahead and removed the Spanish MK website (this is the English wikipedia; the link should be added to the Spanish MK article). EVula 18:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Vogel

Being considered for deletion due to lack of sources. Either someone should find sources or it should be deleted.

[edit] Controversy?

I'm surprised there isn't any mention of the controversy that the MK series started with respect to violence in video games. I know that's an ongoing theme and many games received similar treatment but I seem to recall the first MK game being singled out specifically when it first came out. I checked here and the page for Mortal Kombat (arcade game).

Yeah, I'd like to add a section on that to the page eventually, though I haven't really bothered finding sources (written from a neutral POV, which may be a tad more difficult) required to really add it.Virogtheconq 04:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merged MK Tournament

I merged the MK tournament article as requested. There is also alot of spelling fixes and rearranging of the sections to get rid of anything repetitive. The boss section was also deleted since the List of Characters table now mark the bosses in the games anyways. Benjwong 15:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Large trivia sections

I can't help noticing a lot of MK related pages have large trivia sections. Strickly speaking, information that shouldn't really be on wikipedia is normally put into these sections, but the MK trivia sections are too big. Where best you must try and avoid clumping everything into trivia sections, information on how the character was depicted in a game or its developement can go into a Character devlopment section and a game information section. I've started this off on the Raiden, Baraka, Ermac, Cryrax, Johnny Cage and Goro pages. The only thing left to do with those pages is rewrite the stuff that sounds poor grammar or is badly written to make it sound better.

If anyone else thinks things should be done differently, please say so. Take in mind as far as encyclopedia value is concerned currently, many pages are being weakened by their large trivia pages and someone should go round and merge them all the best they can into the main section. Angel Emfrbl 08:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree some articles have to much trivia, but I personally don't have a problem with it, I enjoy reading through the trivia, though to be fair, that isn't very 'encylopedic' of me, so sure, cut down irrelevant Trivia where need-be, if I see anything that doesn't really have to be in a WP article, I will remove it, or if there is anything that could earn it's own section, I will add, or if I see anything repeated from an earlier section, I will remove. The Haunted Angel 13:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I like trivia sections, and think they fit in just fine with Wikipedia's policy of documenting pretty much everything; more often than not, information just simply can't fit elsewhere in the article.

Now, that said, I do agree that the trivia goes haywire sometimes, and we need to trim back the extraneous drivel that has crept into some of the articles. EVula 16:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

If anyone wants an example of such cases where there is a huge section of trivia, Reptile and Sub-Zero are perfect examples. I don't mind trivia sections either, but a lot of the information on such pages can be clumped together in their own sections in the main artcle its just a case of sitting back and working out how to do it. Angel Emfrbl 11:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

The trivia has a lot of rare info that would otherwise be lost if not kept. If the article is to be shortened. I suggest the "similar games". It doesn't make sense to mention so many of the competitive games in the games history. You don't see a giant "similar games" list on the street fighter wiki. Benjwong 00:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endings

I think the character pages should have endings sections like the Tekken characters. - The 4th Snake 19:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Listing the non-canon endings of each character seems inpractical, not to mention highly irrelevant. Instead we just have the 'Possible Future' section, that debates whether or not the latest game's ending was canon. The Haunted Angel 19:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It's just that there are some endings that some people won't know the canonciality (if that's the correct word) of some endings. - The 4th Snake 20:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so you're saying that we should list all character endings for each game because some people won't know which endings are canon. But, if they wanted to know which ending was canon, all they would have to do is read their story and the 'Possible Future' bit. ~ The Haunted Angel 20:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

That's pretty much it, yeah. I seriously doubt most people who wanted to know if an ending was canon, they wouldn't read the whole article to find out. - The 4th Snake 20:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, anyone who is really that interested in what endings were canon (and didn't gather from the plot of the next game) would probably read through the article anyway. ~ The Haunted Angel 21:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It was just an idea. - The 4th Snake 18:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Announcer

Who is the person who is the announcer for the Mortal Kombat series. I heard that it's the same guy as for the unreal tournament series

It's a different announcer depending on the game. I believe it was Steve Ritchie for MKII and 3/T (since he voiced Shao Kahn) and possibly 4. For Deception, it was either Ed Boon or Herman Sanchez - I'd have to check the credits again. I don't think it's the same announcer as UT, though Unreal Championship 2 did have an option to set the announcer to the MK announcer. Virogtheconq 06:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Similar Games

Yes, I'm still here, just not editing articles directly associated with MKA until I get the damn game. Anyway, to the point. Is the 'Similar Games' section really needed? I mean, I just removed a few things from there where there really was no proof that such a game existed, or just generally irrelevant info. Before I start to remove all other irrelevant or unencyclopedic information from this list (and there is a lot), I wanted to know what everyone else thought. Personally, I think we should remove the whole section, the article is already pretty big, this is just unencyclopedic and takes up unnecessary space. The list itself could go on forever; why not add Street Fighter or Tekken (etc...). I personally just think the whole damn section should be removed. ~ The Haunted Angel ^{(The Forest Whispers My Name)} 11:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sub-character list?

I was thinking that "The Mortal Kombat Universe" (where it lists the main games, remakes, main characters, etc.) should also have sub-characters in it. Like Kia, Jataaka, etc. from the Adventure games that have never been playable.

I would have done it already, but I don't know how to edit that part, lol. 138.217.219.127 06:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

There is already a link to the minor characters list that deals with them already in the template. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

*slaps forehead* Sorry! I forgot the minor characters don't have their own page. 138.217.219.127 10:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] acceptance in Japan?

Was the franchise succesful in Japan and Asia? I can't find information about such thing. --189.135.69.59 03:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Navigation Template

Whoever split the navigation Template for the entire MK series in half, fix it back. It was better the old way and much easier to navigate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Donco (talk • contribs) .

The template was split (not by me) to address concerns that it was far too large, a concern I happen to agree with. Do you have any suggestions for a unified, but smaller, template? EVula 17:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

At the very least, we ought to at least put a link to a media category or somesuch in the template - from what I can tell, none of the video/film productions are accessible within two clicks of that template (other than going through a character, of course). Personally, I think the primary reason the template was so large, the character roster, isn't that necessary, and ought to be removed - it can easily be replaced with a link to List of Mortal Kombat characters or somesuch.

Note: copied over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mortal Kombat#Navigation Template. Please leave responses there. Virogtheconq 18:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No progress

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mortal Kombat#No progress, since this is applicable to all MK articles Virog^{It's not}_{my fault!}

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