Talk:Mission Nuestra Señora Reina de los Angeles
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[edit] Mission vs. Pueblo
Was this pueblo actually a Catholic Church mission or is this article misnamed? Thanks Hmains 03:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- The title is correct; I've added an entry that explains the evolution from mission to town.--Lordkinbote 05:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am still at a loss why this establishment should be called a 'mission'--I don't see anything in the article that says a church was established here. It just talks about a pueblo (town) being established. Thanks Hmains 02:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- The very first line of the article starts out "The Mission Nuestra Señora Reina de Los Angeles was founded on September 4, 1781..." — there is an image of the church taken between 1890 and 1900 on the article page — and I've added a link to a modern photograph of the mission. Hope this settles the issue.--Lordkinbote 06:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am still at a loss why this establishment should be called a 'mission'--I don't see anything in the article that says a church was established here. It just talks about a pueblo (town) being established. Thanks Hmains 02:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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- OK, thanks Hmains 04:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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- La Placita church was never a mission. I've been talking to several historians over the last two weeks on this very subject. La Placita church was the first parish church in Los Angeles, but it was never a mission. Los Angeles was a pueblo (civic town), founded by decree/land grant of the Kind of Spain. It was not founded by the Franciscans. But thanks for your hard work. John Burnes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.10.185 (talk • contribs) .
- La Placita church was never a mission. It was a parish church. It was established as an asistencia (meaning "sub-mission"—essentially a mission without a priest in residence) to Mission San Gabriel Arcángel
NO. 144 NUESTRA SEÑORA LA REINA DE LOS ANGELES - La Iglesia de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles-the Church of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels-was dedicated on December 8, 1822 during California's Mexican era. Originally known as La Iglesia de Nuestra Senora de Los Angeles, the church was the only Catholic church for the pueblo. Today it primarily serves the Hispanic population of Los Angeles.
Location: 535 N Main St near Macy St, Los Angeles
http://ohp.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=21427
--evrik (talk) 23:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
- Support per comments above. --evrik (talk) 23:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support Coincidentally I was just in the church recently. It once had "Mission Nuestra..." in big bronze letters over its entry, but the word "Mission" has been visibly removed. A docent at the Olvera Street visitors center volunteered that "they tried to make it a mission [after the fact], but didn't succeed". -Will Beback · † · 00:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose as the facility was originally founded as one of the California missions (even if it didn't remain as such), and (as is noted above) carried the name until very recently. The current use and name is identified in the article, and the facility's real notability is (in part) derived from the fact that the was intended to be another mission. I suggest a redirect from "La Iglesia..."--Lord Kinbote 00:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Upon further reflection, I think La Iglesia de Nuestra Señora Reina de los Angeles should be developed into a separate article, assuming there is sufficient, notable information available to do so.--Lord Kinbote 18:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
