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>The city proper has about 1.3 million inhabitants (2004), but when including the surrounding conurbation totals more than 4.5 million. The >metropolitan area of Milan have around 6.5 million.
What is the difference between "surrounding conurbation" and "metropolitan area"? Do you mean the province with the former, and Lombardy-region with the latter? (because otherwise I don't know where the 6.5 comes from) I think that part of the article is a bit confusing..
it's easy! the border of the city of Milano was decided 200 years ago, when the city had only 400.000 inhabitants. today inside the same borders there are 1.300.000 inhabitants, but the REAL CITY is bigger, and have a population on 4.500.000 of inahbitants. thats people live in Milano and in other 40/50 municipalities that are called the First and the Second Ring, or also the Grande Milano (the Big Milano). that's the CITY of Milano.
then, as in all the rest of the world there is the Metropolitan Area of Milano, that is not exactly definited and can have from 6.5 Millions if you calculate it with the German, Spanish and English way of the Metropolitan Areas, or more than 7.5/8 Millions if you calculate it with the French and American way for M.A. Milano is the 3° biggest city of Western Europe after London and Paris.
I'm Italian and maybe I can help you as regards the City of Milano... In my opinion we can consider the metropolitan area as a groups of 40/50 municipalities in the province of Milan (let's say Rho, Sesto San Giovanni and so on...). In the article there is a list of footballers born in this Metropolitan Area... so I can understand that also Bergamo, Varese and all the major city of Lombardia are included. In my opinion it's too much!!! Maybe the list is not really correct: for example Paolo Rossi was born in Prato, near Florence; Franco and Giuseppe Baresi were born in Travagliato, a countrytown in the province of Brescia (more or less 50 miles from Milan...) and so on! --80.104.86.88 00:26, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Name
The Article says that in the local Insüber dialect of Milan, the city is pronounced like in French and English, both are not correct. Although French is very similar in pronunciation and spelling,(so one, could let that pass) but the English comment is totally wrong. Since in Insüber you pronounce Milan, ME - LAWN. So that statement isn't correct.
[edit] Cimitero Monumentale
A link to the article Cimitero Monumentale should also be included in this article. I could not find an appropiate category. --84.44.158.63 15:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Industries
Well, not all of the mentioned industries are from Milan. Alemagna and Motta are actually Swiss (Nestlè), and the main Italian factory is in Verona. Aermacchi is in Venegono, near Varese. Bugatti is, I believe, near Mantova. On the other hand, I added the largest Italian Bank (Unicredit) to the existing second-in-rank (Intesa). The largest Italian engineering companies (well, most of) are Milan-based.--UbUb 20:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Famous Milan people
Who are the most famous peoples to come out of Milan or events that originated from this city...Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.168.234.176 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 23 July 2006 UTC.
- This question is adressed in the article. If that's not enough, try the reference desk. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 19:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] MILAN BOUNDARIES. LET'S NOT KID AROUND. THAT'S NOT RISIKO!
Come on. Let's cut off this 'metropolitan area' thing. It almost has got no meaning. Milan is Milan, and the cities near it are simply other cities! Monza is Monza, Brescia is Brescia and Varese is Varese. It's very reductive and in a way ridiculous to make these towns appear like they are PART of Milan Milan's got 1.3 millions of inhabitants, and that IS 'THE REAL CITY'. Its borders are quite visible. The ACTUAL city of Milan doesn't even cover entirely its municipal area, expecially in the southern and western part. North of Milan there's Brianza that is now the name of a new province: Monza-Brianza. If they considered themselves inhabitants of Milan they wouldn't have been asking region Lombardy administration for so many years to separate from Milan.
Come on! It's like if in Germany they would call Ruhr-community DORTMUND.
mos 82.51.163.106 23:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Of course, all opinions welcome. --UbUb 14:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
also the wrong ones. Such as those at the top of the page.
the conurbation of Milan it was studied by different organisation (as ONU and Euristat and many different universities). unfortunally in Italy doesen't exixst still the classification of Urban area and Metropolitan Areas. so the exactley number of the inhabitants of the Urban Area are a little bitt different. from the 4.020.000 on Onu to 4.300.000 of different organisation. this is the Urban Area, the conurbation, the REAL CITY.
all the people that live in Milan well know that in the North and Eastern side of the municipality bonduaries is totally impossibile to know when the city of Milan end and when there's a new municipality. that happened also in the South-Western side (Corsico, Buccinasco, Assago) and a little bit less in the South-East (S.Donato, Peschiera...); but the north and the east are totally urbanizated.
i read that someone talk about the southern part of the city that is not urbanizated...there's a reason...there is the Parco Sud Milano that occupied the 33% of the whole surface of Milan Province.
and as someone wrote about Rhur and Dortmund, maybe he doesn't know that the Ruhr IS a Metropolitan Area, but whitout a central city, a dominating city. in the Ruhr there are 5 or 6 cities with similar population (around 500.000) and some dozens of others with less inabitants. all that is called as Ruhr Metropolitan Area. (around 7 Millions of inhabitants).
the same man that talk about Rhur, Milan and Risiko, DONT' KNOW that the 7 Millions of people that live in the Rhur M.A., are on a surface that is the DOUBLE for dimension of the same surface of the Metro Area of Milan (from Magenta to Bergamo and from Como to Pavia, with Milan in the middle), but in that area around Milan there are 6.5 millions of people, and in the Rhur area 7 Millions on the double of the surface!
in Germany all that is called Metropolitan Area, in Italy is called Risiko.
maybe for a long history of "Capanilismo", where every small city have a long history of war with the closest one.
so we can write that: the Municipality of Milan in the city bonuaries have 1.3 Millions. the Urban Area (the real city) have around 4.2 Millions. the Metropolitan Area have around 6.5 Millions.
if we use the French and the Usa way to calculate the Metro Area (the ones used for Paris, or NY or Los Angeles), the Metropolitan Area of Milan should be larger (from Novara and Vercelli to the Alpine Valley of Bergamo and from Lugano in Swiss south to Piacenza and Crema) and with around 7.5-8 Millions of people.
in that days the Italian Governement is trying to introduce the Metro Area in Italy. but it was just a Maquillage Operation. it will be just changed the name to the Provinces, that will be called Aree Metropolitane. but the bonduaries will be the same. so the crazy new Province of Monza, located at 11 km of city from Milan city centre will be NOT in the Milan Metro Area!
the same stupid thing will be happen in Napoli where all the part of the city that is under the Caserta and Salerno Provinces will be not inside the Metro Area of Napoli!
Monza is not crazy, its inhabitants feel like being MONZESI and not milanesi, that's all. Bergamo is another town, and so Varese and Como and Vercelli and so forth.
I think what they call MILAN METROPOLITAN AREA is more a LOMBARD METROPOLITAN AREA (or LOMBARD-PIEMONTESE-TICINESE...) as having included inside it so many important italian cities WE CANNOT ignore. And Milan lies in its southern part. It's not THE CORE of this urbanized area.
This is globalization.
[edit] recurring linkspam
Checking the contribution of the user who added the aboutfirenze link, I have noticed that a link to aboutmilano has been added to this page. Please see Talk:Florence#External_Links and decide for yourselves. -- Sergio Ballestrero 16:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] climate
who wrote that ironic chapter about climate? Calling Milan's climate subtropical is foolish, it's not more subtropical then Budapest or Winnipeg. It's subcontinental, and IN WINTER SNOW IS RARE due to urban heating, always rarer indeed, apart last year.
- Calling Milan's climate subtropical is what climatologist usually do. I don't know if they are so ironic. --Fertuno 15:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
