Talk:Manx pound

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Contents 1 Is Manx currency sterling? 2 Queen's head on Isle of Man coins 3 King George III coin - Expert help requested 4 Remove the Stub? 5 Assesment

[edit] Is Manx currency sterling?

The article says "The Isle of Man pound is not sterling", but http://www.isleofman.com/tourisminfo/faqs/ and http://www.douglas.org.im/Spot.asp both say it is sterling. Who is right?

The IoM government refer to the Manx pound interchangably with Sterling, and the Department of Trade and Industry specifically state: The Island's currency is pound sterling.82.152.96.238 15:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The intro to the article is not ideal. The article is titled "Manx pound", and yet the first sentence is "The pound sterling[1] is the currency of the Isle of Man." So what is the Manx pound then? Ideally the article should begin "The Manx pound is... <whatever it is>". Matt 21:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC).

Hell, I just changed it. If it's wrong then hopefully someone can correct it. Matt 21:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC).

Considering that the currency is not legal tender in Britan or Northenr Island, I would consider it as tied to the Pound sterling and not part of the Pound Sterling. And here Manx Pound the treasury stats the currency as being equivalent to and not Sterling.Enlil Ninlil 05:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC).

Scottish notes are not legal tender in Scotland or England. British coins are legal tender on the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands (e.g. see Decimal Currency (Jersey) Law, 1971). The position of the governments of all Crown Dependencies, and the position in law, is that all are the same currency. The Isle of Man goverment specifically state that 'The Island's currency is pound sterling'. Note that saying that the coins and notes are 'equivalent in value' is 'not the same as saying that it is 'not pound sterling'.82.152.178.137 23:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

That reference is a little vague, it doesnt say the manx pound is pound sterling, just that the sterling circulates there. If the manx pound was sterling it would be legal tender in England! Enlil Ninlil 04:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you understood properly. There's a difference between banknotes and currency. Scottish banknotes are definately sterling, but are not legal tender (in Scotland or England). The Manx Pound is a variant of GBP, and is noted as such under ISO 4217 which denotes global currencies. Also, that reference couldn't be clearer: "The Island's currency is pound sterling". It doesn't say anything else, nothing about circulating, nothing about 'Manx pounds as well'. Basically, both Bank of England pounds, Scottish banknotes, and Manx pounds are all Pounds Sterling. Mauls 13:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, please read legal tender for more information on that subject. Mauls

[edit] Queen's head on Isle of Man coins

The article currently says "The coins show Elizabeth II with crown as the cost of removing it would have been prohibitive according to The Treasury". Is this really correct? It sounds like a rather implausible reason to me. Matt 19:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC).

Firstly, it should be remembered that although the obverse of the coins doesn't change often, the reverse is regularly changed for special issues, and there's no reason to believe that the obverse would cost much more to redesign.

The coins currently use the Ian Rank Broadley effigy, as used by all the other countries that issue coinage with an effigy of the Queen on (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK, etc.) since 1998. There is a more recent (and very modern/stylistic) alternative by Tom Phillips that was used on the UK's special 2003 £5 coin - that does not include a crown, and would presumably cost little more than the current design as it's also already available. Might not be to the Treasury's liking though! See [1] for an example on a commemorative (UK) crown.

Only two monarchs have appeared on Isle of Man coins before. They were George III and Victoria. Both were depicted without crowns, but this was exactly the same portrait as used on the UK coins of the time. The preceding Lords of Man were depicted by symbols, not effigies, and one of those symbol was the Ducal Crown of the Lords of Man.

The Isle of Man Treasury website notes the appearance of the Queen on the money using the style 'Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II', and does not include 'Lord of Man' (the proper style is 'Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Lord of Mann'

In addition, the 2006 coin set commemorating the Queen's 80th birthday had an image of the Queen presiding over Tynwald in 1979 - head and shoulders only, and another is an adaption of Pietro Annigoni's official portrait of the young Queen. These images don't include a crown and could surely have been adapted for the obverse as easily as they were placed on the reverse.

Furthermore, it's questionable that the correct depiction of the 'Lord of Mann' is the Queen without a crown. The Crown is used atop the Royal Cipher on some Manx stamps (when the Queen's effigy is omitted, for example this year's 'Natural History' issue), suggesting that the Crown is tied up in the Lordship of Man, not seperate and absent. The Crown is also part of the Coat of Arms of most Manx Government departments.

Finally, the only place on the web (according to various Google searches) that claims that the Lord of Mann is depicted without a Crown is this article on Wikipedia.

In summary, the claim seems dubious and I haven't been able to find anything to back it.

82.153.96.176 21:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

This claim crept back in in, with a claim on the edit that the 'reversion wasn't discussed'. Seems to be the other way around to me, so I've removed it again. A citation or explaination to back-up any counter-claim should be provided. Mauls 10:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] King George III coin - Expert help requested

The help of a subject matter expert is requested.

I've been wikifying this article - tying in links, etc., - and doing some general cleanup. I've noted two issues with the paragraph about the George III coin issue of 1786:

1. The description calls both faces of the coin the obverse -- one is obviously the reverse, but I'm not 100% certain of which
2. There is no Lewis Pingo article, but there is a (brief) Thomas Pingo article, that states that he did a George III coin, and also that he had a son, Lewis, who took over from him

Since I'm not certain of the facts on either of these two points, I left them intact, but noted them with wiki comments inside the text. --Eliyahu S ^Talk 00:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remove the Stub?

It seems to me that this article is no longer a stub, and that the {{money-stub}} should be removed. What do others think? --Eliyahu S ^Talk 01:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I have added a request for (re-)assessment of this article to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Assessment page. I hope some kind soul will tell me to get rid of the Stub rating! --Eliyahu S ^Talk 03:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Joe I gave us a B rating on 06:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC). Good job, everyone! --Eliyahu S ^Talk 07:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assesment

This article is almost ready to go to GA I think. The intro needs expansion, and inline refs added. I'm goin to add it to Wikipedia:Numismatic Collaboration of the Month to see if we can get more exposure for it. Joe I 23:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)