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[edit] Some alterations

I've removed the following from your user page. I hope you don't object too strongly. In principle I would have no problem with a "United Macedonia" userbox, or paragraph of text. However in the current form, it is far too inflammatory. I'm sure you are aware that the yellow-on-red '91-'95 flag is inflammatory, so I have removed the largest incarnation. If you look at the changes User:Asteraki has made, I think this is quite equitable. If you have a problem with anything on his userpage, please bring it up at the noticeboard. Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 10:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

This user believes in and supports the reunification of Macedonia. The Macedonia how it once was, The Macedonia of Alexander The Great: Aegean Macedonia Pirin Macedonia Vardar Macedonia

Makedonia, although I really do not agree with some of your views, that's beside the point. The point is to put pages in line with the WP:USER policy, or in short, to avoid sensitive political topics, because of the collaborative and neutral nature of the project. Similar efforts are done to keep Greek user pages moderate. Also, you might want to check out Vlatkoto's user page for other ways of expressing your United Macedonia attitude. (I'm writing in English, so that everybody could understand what I'm saying). Also, sorry that I didn't engage in that Stan Lazaridis dispute - I know next to nothing about him, and I kind of want to concentrate on more important topics, such as Goce Delchev, Jane Sandanski etc. However, the e-mail is making this dispute really fun :-). Поздрав! --FlavrSavr 15:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Very funny...

... your Demosthenes quote. I've got a better one at my page ;-) --Telex 18:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought Demosthenes was a politician... --Telex 22:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Is that so? Hmm... so you mean the politician Demosthenes meant what he said, whereas Gligorov said that, but was really thinking Македонија на Македонците? I'm not sure - how do I know that Demosthenes wasn't lying for political purposes. I mean we don't hear him saying "the Persians are unrelated to the Greeks", or any other people who really were unrelated. The fact he said that merely proves that everyone else thought that the Ancient Macs were Greeks, and D was trying to convince them otherwise. Anyway, who knows... :-) --Telex 22:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

BTW, didn't that statement of Gligorov's make him lose votes? --Telex 22:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Offensive

Can you explain how Telex's quote is offensive please. - FrancisTyers 23:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Hi, please refrain from uploading copyrighted images. I am not deleting this one yet, but you will need to provide the written consent of the author within a week for it to stay. Please read, and then re-read WP:COPY. Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 14:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Ohrid

Ok, nema problem, mozebi ke izmenam nekoi raboti, no sega nemam vreme imam ispiti. BTW sto im dopustat na onie da si igraat so tvojava stranica, vrati si ja kartata i i kazi da ne se pravat drveni advokati ;-).--Vlatko 15:21, 06 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lazarides

I felt I had to let you know as well, since I mentioned your name at Greasysteave13 talk page; I hope you do not mind:

Last month Greece played a friendly football match against Australia [1]. Stan Lazaridis was cheered by Australian Greeks as a fellow Australian Greek and the Greek team, namely Georgios Seitaridis, treated him as such. One must presume that since user Makedonia identifies with Lazaridis, he must be Greek himself.

Also, see article [2]: Greek interest on omogeneia football player Stan Lazaridis. 05 Jun 2006 09:47:00 Greek-Australian, 33 year-old football player, Stan Lazaridis revealed that Greece and Cyprus football teams have made interesting proposals with that of Greece being most attractive. However, he did not rule out the possibility of playing in an Australian team since he has proposals from three teams, Newcastle, whose coach is Greek Nikos Theodorakopoulos, Perth and Adelaide. At the moment he said “ the focus of my interest is Australian National team and my participation in the World Cup Finals.   Politis   ^(T)

I assume you do not have to be a Slav Macedonian to play in a Slav Macedonian team in Australia. In London there exists a small Greek Cypriot football league and Greek Cypriot football teams. The players do not have to be Greek, there are British black players, the occasional Turkish Cypriot player, etc...

Regarding 'Voden', you mean Edessa. I accept the appelation 'Voden' in Slavic languages. Also, I do not refer to Bitola as 'Monastir' or to Skopje as 'Uskub' or to Tetovo as 'Kalkandelen' or 'Tetova'.

As for playing both for Australian Greek and Slav Macedonian teams, a person can feel both Greek and Slav Macedonian - in fact, many do and some have suffered at the hands of Slav Macedonian extremists (and vice versa, of course). There is no law that says if you are a Slav Macedonian Greek, then you have to identify with Skopje's national construct, that you have to be a Makedonski and that is that. For instance, presumably you do not want to be identified as a Bulgarian. I respect that. But the vast majority of Greek Slavophones or bi-linguals do not want to be identified as 'ethnic Macedonians' as defined by the Slav Macedonian authorities in Skopje. I hope you can come to terms with that and accept there are difference between the citizens of ROM/FYROM and the Greek bilinguals of (Greek) Macedonia.   Politis   ^(T)

I do not feel it is my place to edit the national identity of a living person. But I am curious to see what make you so certain that he is of 'Macedonian (ethnic group)' origin? Perhaps his ancestor considered themselves just Greeks or Bulgarians or Slavophones or just Greek Orthodox members of the Rum miliet.   Politis   ^(T)

Hi there. Thanks for trying to compromise. The problem with this article is that Stan Lazaridis is a real person, with a real ethnic background. He cannot be both Slav and Greek Macedonian, just because everybody has to be pleased. I would suggest we completely remove any reference to both our countries and just say he is Australian. --   Avg    20:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You are about to violate Wikipedia:3RR. You might be temporarily blocked from further editing.   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CG Wikipedia

Hey Makedonia, there is currently a vote for a version of Wikipedia in Montenegrin. If you want to vote, go to meta:Requests for new languages. There you can vote. Ask your friends on Wikipedia (if you have any) who haven't voted to vote. Thanks. Crna Gora ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edit Count)} 21:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lazaridis

Could you take a look at the latest additions to WP:MWNB#Stan Lazaridis. --Telex 09:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Question and objection

My objection is that your user page reads like a POV statement and fringes on propaganda. I think that goes against Wikipedia policy.

Question, You support a united Macedonia and the Vinozhito-Rainbow Party. I think that party also supports it, do you have any quotes that it supports a united M? I mean, is that your impression also? thanks Politis 14:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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