Talk:List of Baldur's Gate characters

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[On Korgan] "...probably even better than Minsc, save for the low Intelligence attribute..." And Minsc's is high? --Anshelm '77 22:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers?

What would you guys classify as a "spoiler?" I want to know this so that I can know what types of information to add to the page regarding the characters, without spoiling anything. (And also what types of information to remove.) Would one regard Imoen's "unveiling" as a Bhaalspawn to be a spoiler for example? It's supposed to be a game secret, but it seems hinted at throughout and isn't too surprising. Any guidelines? -- Solberg 14:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg

I don't think there's any guidelines, I haven't been following any anyways. We could put a spoiler tag at the top, and a small disclaimer about spoilers? Poulsen 14:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I suppose that would work. Thanks by the way for your reply on another question. -- Solberg 15:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg

[edit] Xan merger

I don't think Xan is sufficiently notable to warrant his own article, despite the amount of text that is actually in said article. I believe his article can be sufficiently summarised here in one short section. I have proposed a merger based on this and will carry it out if there are no objections within the next week. -- Lewis 23:16, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

There are also a bunch of other Baldur's Gate characters with their own articles which could probably do with merging into this one:

• Aerie (Baldur's Gate)
• Montaron
• Minsc (which I wouldn't support merging, he is notable enough imo)
• Thalantyr
• Dynaheir
• Sarevok (possibly notable enough)
• Xzar
• Biff the Understudy
• Jon Irenicus (possibly notable enough?)
• Adalon
• Bodhi (Baldur's Gate)
• Edwin Odesseiron
• Firkraag
• Lilarcor if we feel it's a 'character', otherwise into the main article?
• Melissan
• Solaufein
• Imoen

Anyone have opinions on merging that lot? If no-one objects, I'll go and add merge tags later to the ones I haven't noted as possibly-notable. Note that some of these are definitely non-notable characters, often with just a paragraph or two, so if you object, do say what in particular you're objecting to.. --Fuzzie (talk) 13:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Agree, those should all be merged too. Maybe leave minsc and irenicus as they seem to have quite of lot of (pointless?) info in them, but the other certainly have no notability outside of the game, the articles on Adalon and Lilarcor are just ridiculous and should be sumamrised accordingly. --Lewis 13:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

As a part of a merger, I propose splitting the article into List of Baldur's Gate II characters, now that each game has its own article. Poulsen 16:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

To eloborate on my last comment, I think it would be a shame to butcher all the existing individual articles. When merging, please bear in mind that many featured lists are excessively long, so there's no need to cut to the bare bones. Check out WP:FICT for guidelines on notability in fiction - I think Sarevok is a major character, and Minsc is a cultural icon (to use the WP:FICT terms) and warrant their own articles. Also, in merging non-NPCs into the mix, I recommend List of Final Fantasy VII characters as an article with a good structure of both friends and enemies. I still think this article should be split, though. Poulsen 08:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

What should we do about characters which are in both the original game and BG2, though? --Fuzzie (talk) 14:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Simply describe their role in each game in the appropriate list. This article already has double entries on the characters from both games, so splitting this article should be nothing more than cutting it at the middle. Poulsen 14:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

If every single Final Fantasy character can have their own page, why can't the BG ones? I say as long as a character was a main (party) character in either game, they deserve their own page. TotalTommyTerror 11:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the FF characters, they've all been in a string of games, and actually have enough information about them to make it possible to write an article longer than a few paragraphs. Poulsen 16:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

That's amusing, because so do the party characters in these games. Each character along with having a detailed in game biography is also developed characters over the game. They have as much as any FF character does, and are every bit worthy of having a page the same as any main character whose dialogue solely consists of "..." TotalTommyTerror 06:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No they don't - only five characters hold important roles in both games, with more or less "development of characters" occuring. No characters in Baldur's Gate 1 goes through any kind of development what so ever. You find this "a detailed in game biography"?:

When asked about his past, AJANTIS announces that he is a squire-paladin of the Most Noble Order of the Radiant Heart, and that he enforces the power and discipline of Helm. He belongs to the noble family of Ilvastarr in Waterdeep, and has studied swordplay under such luminaries as Myrmith Splendon. His skill and devotion apparently brought him to the attention of the paladin Keldorn, one of the most respected of the order, who decided to take Ajantis under his wing as a squire. Recently Ajantis has asked for the honor of becoming a full-fledged member of the order. To accomplish this he has traveled to the Sword Coast, in order to help curtail the increased humanoid activity in the region. If he succeeds in his quest the order will vote on his eligibility for membership. He seems utterly devoted to his mission.

How are you gonna build an entire article from that cliche? Finally, take a look at the List of Final Fantasy characters before claiming that every FF character has their own article. Poulsen 07:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

My opinion would be that the following characters are notable enough:

• Minsc, due to out-of-game references
• Imoen, who is in both games and plays a major part in the second one.
• Jaheira, Edwin and possibly Viconia, as they can play big parts in both games, rather than just one.
• Sarevok, as he's the major antagonist in BG1.
• Irenicus and Bodhi, as they're the major antagonists in BG2.

Any further thoughts? Gamesmaster 19:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)