Talk:Liberty

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"When in peril, it is most often defended by Agoura High School Junior Ethan Kuperberg." End of first paragraph after contents...Who the fuck is Ethan Kuperberg? Is this somebody's idea of a joke?

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. What is the reasoning behind turning this page into a dictionary definition of the word Liberty? I see no reason why such definitions cannot be included as part of a disambiguation page. Mintguy (T) 01:01, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Much of the material about ancient Jewish history here seems wrong: imperial powers in ancient times had to deal with hundreds of revolts, and were the Jews any more devoted to liberty than the Paphlagonians or the Iceni or the Samnites? Mark O'Sullivan 10:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Or the rebellious gladiators? "I am Spartacus!" But Spartacus didn't leave any books behind that are now regarded as sacred by believers in three world-religions, so whether he thought he was fighting for liberty is less interesting that whether Moses did. --Christofurio 14:13, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SOMEONE MADE A FUNNY

Middle Eastern civilization

The Jewish religious tradition features several individuals who stood up to statist power at crucial moments, including of course Moses, who demanded that the Pharaoh of Egypt "let my people go." Also, Korah, who stood up to Moses's authority while the Israelites fish were in the desert. The Maccabees rebelled against mandatory assimilation to Greek culture and the Zealots (less successfully) rose against the Roman Empire.

Moslem jurists have long held that the legal tradition initiated by the Qur'an includes a principle of permissibility, or Ibahah, especially as applied to commercial transaction. "Nothing in them [voluntary transactions] is forbidden," said Ibn Taymiyyah, "unless God and His Messenger have decreed them to be forbidden." The idea is founded upon two verses in the Qur'an, 4:29 and 5:1. --Fibulator 13:12, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Liberty

In the United States Declaration of Independence to the King of England King George III, of the year 1776, the United States declared life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (it was originally property, but former President Thomas Jefferson decided that might lead to something undesirable) as their liberty requirements. In the United States Constitution in the 14th Amendment after the bloody United States Civil War and because of the bloody United States Civil War the words life, liberty, and property were added. The United States has legal requirements and legal definitions of life, liberty, and property where all three are considered requirements for liberty, so a very large nation and fifty States practices the principle liberty in law.

Could people sign after editing, please? —Twilight Princess

[edit] I would like to do a complete re-write

The article is poorly laid out. It's sort of silly to divide "liberty" into sections according to various centuries of philosophy. First of all, there has been relatively little difference between Classical and Enlightenment conceptions of liberty. Kant was an Enlightenment philosopher, not a Classical philosopher, so he shouldn't even be mentioned in the section on Classical philosophy.

The article tends to diverge from the subject of liberty, on into Spinoza's views on free will (one could devote an entire article to discussions of free will), and then goes onto discuss Economics. The entire paragraph about Hayek is unnecessary. A proper article on liberty would be the entry on it in Stanford's philosophy encyclopedia [[1]]. I'm doing a complete re-write now, based off of their article.

I mean, really. This sentence is laughable:

The Jewish religious tradition features several individuals who stood up to statist power at crucial moments, including Moses, who demanded that the Pharaoh of Egypt "let my people go."

Robocracy 02:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)