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Contents 1 Battles of Narvik 2 MECE-prinsippet? 3 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre 4 Military history WikiProject coordinator election - vote phase! 5 Article on terrorism 6 Zionist political violence 7 Blog entry 8 Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue VI - August 2006 9 Arbitration request on Kven-users 10 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven 11 autism treatment options 12 Knute Nelson reference 13 DYK 14 Welcome! 15 Fartein Valen 16 Princ Dobroshi 17 WikiProject Military history Newsletter - Issue VII - September 2006 18 DYK 19 My RfA: Malber 20 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre 21 Semi-protect Ben Savage 21.1 Got it... 22 DYK 23 Interest in your topic 24 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VIII - October 2006 25 Hans Lars Helgesen from Asker? 26 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven 27 Your edits to Mark Geier 28 Norwegian photographers

[edit] Battles of Narvik

Hello. Would you like to take a look at Battles of Narvik? It is the current Military history project collaboration of the fortnight. Inge 03:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, see that you have included XU in the template for Norway and WWII, good. Could you include Nortraship as well, possibly the Norwegian organisation that gave the largest contribution to the Allied war effort. Thanks in advance and a nice day to you! PS, placed this under an existing heading as I thought it a waste to create a new one... Ulflarsen 04:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, and feel free to make further suggestions - I have a feeling this is far from complete, w which is one of the reasons why I made it. I'd also like to put in some kind of graphic - ideas included a paper clip, the H7 symbol, or the Vi Vil Vinne image. --Leifern 10:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Think it should be similar to other such templates, and dunno if a graphic is needed really. Should be a link to "polititroppene", [1], but as far as I can see its not been translated to English yet. Its important, as it was some fifteen thousand men, some eight batalions in 1945. Ulflarsen 11:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Persons, think Jens Christian Hauge should be included, hard to get around him. Ulflarsen 20:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I know this is a different subsection - but I hate starting new ones. I am currently translating the full article regarding the White Buses from Norwegian into English. If you could have a look at it as I extend it I would be grateful, my English is not that good. As far as I know there is not much regarding this in English (checked EB) so I believe it may "fill a hole". Regarding the pictures, I have obtained permission to use them from the Swedish Red Cross. Ulflarsen 13:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MECE-prinsippet?

Har du noe norsk navn på dette prinsippet? __meco 07:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Jeg fant at norsk Wikipedia har en stubbartikkel om MECE, men den var i det hele ikke videre informativ. __meco 08:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 13:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject coordinator election - vote phase!

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[edit] Article on terrorism

You may find the article Terrorists of Pakistani origin interesting. It may be deleted soon in perhaps a few hours.

If you have any views on having such articles on Wikipedia, please do share them at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Terrorists_of_Pakistani_origin

--Robcotton 15:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zionist political violence

Hi, thanks for the correction on above article I didn't know we couldn't use WP as a reference. Also why did you remove the "terrorism" box/tag thingy from the above article? It is present in Palestinian political violence so it's only fair that it is used here, as we can't take sides in an encyclopedia. You say ("terrorist" is deprecated everywhere else here) then please be good enough to either also remove it from Palestinian political violence or add it back into the above article. Yas121 19:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems that it probably should be in the Zionist political violence article as well. This area needs a lot of work in general. --Leifern 19:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Then can you add it back to the article as you removed it last :) Thanks Yas121 23:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blog entry

http://vyer.typepad.com/hereticsalmanac/2006/03/under_wikiattac.htm

Please remove that. Midgley 11:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

No. --Leifern 11:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

"Not Found

The requested URL /hereticsalmanac/2006/03/under_wikiattac.htm was not found on this server."

Thank you. Sensible. Midgley 18:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

http://vyer.typepad.com/hereticsalmanac/2006/03/under_wikiattac.html is there --Leifern 18:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue VI - August 2006

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[edit] Arbitration request on Kven-users

Dear Editor, since you have been involved in editing the Kven, Kven language, or Kvens of the past articles in the last months, articles that have been troubled by peristent POV-pushing, your name is listed in the Request for Arbitration on this matter. You can make a statement here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Kven-users. Best regards, Fred-Chess 16:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --FloNight 23:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] autism treatment options

Are you capable of having an intelligent conversation of what statement you didnt like instead of scrapping the entire entry? follow the disciossion in the "autism" discussion page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aspie7 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Knute Nelson reference

While looking up the contributions of Knute Nelson to the St. Paul and Pacific Railroad, I found this reference: Lives of the Governors of Minnesota about Knute Nelson. It may prove to be helpful in your research. As I mentioned on the CMSTP&P talk page, I have a book of Minnesota history at home (the Rhoda Gilman book); I'll see if I can find any more information about the railroad building of the 1870s. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 19:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I checked through the Rhoda Gilman book, but it doesn't say anything much about Knute Nelson in regard to his legislation affecting Minnesota railroads. It mentions James J. Hill buying the St. Paul and Pacific Railroad and completing the unfinished sections in Minnesota. It mentions Knute Nelson being elected to Congress in 1882 and his election as Minnesota's first foreign-born governor in 1892. However, it doesn't say anything about the legislation that brought the railroad toward completion. I suppose a book that covers railroad history in more depth, or something that covers Minnesota history in more depth, might help. The Gilman book is a rather broad general overview of Minnesota history. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 03:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 23 September 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Louis Kaufman, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 19:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

[edit] Fartein Valen

Thank you, sir. Schissel | Sound the Note! 06:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably should edit this closer to the bottom of the page. Responding to your response, and very belatedly : there is a book with a chapter on Valen (and on the tone poems opus 17 and 18, specifically) which I just added under Further Reading. Will think about adding more (and will try to hear his music again soon which I haven't in a bit, not even the early quartet on that CD which I could acquire fairly easily). (Hrm, ' renders as, well, ' here. Oh well.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Princ Dobroshi

I'd updated the text based on few newspaper articles from the Czech Republic about Dobroshi's connection with the terror suspects in Norway. These articles are based on Norwegian newspapers, public information from Norwegian police plus some info from Czech police. (The journalists also tried to contact the secret service of Norway and were flatly refused.)

If there will be futher development would you mind to update it (or delete if this was just speculation)? The interest of Czech media will drop very soon, Norwegians will be likely more informed. TIA Pavel Vozenilek 09:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history Newsletter - Issue VII - September 2006

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[edit] DYK

On 8 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alta controversy, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] My RfA: Malber

Thank you for your support in my recent nomination for adminship, even though it was unsuccessful. Thank you for your positive comments. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 15:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

Guy Montag is banned from articles which relate to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Guy Montag's Probation under the terms of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Yuber#Guy Montag placed on probation is extended to include one year from the final date of this decision. KimvdLinde and other administrators are encouraged to effectively enforce Guy Montag's Probation in appropriate circumstances. Should Guy Montag violate any ban imposed by this decision he may be blocked for an appropriate period. All blocks are to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre#Log of blocks and bans.

For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, FloNight 00:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protect Ben Savage

The Ben Savage bio has been assaulted with no less than 7 vandalism incidents in the last 2 days. Is this enough to request semi-protection again; or is this a non-solution?

Thanks!

trezjr 03:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Got it...

I see User talk:FloNight has done it; thanks!

trezjr 03:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 20 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Damsgård, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 13:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interest in your topic

Hai,

I started reading about growth hormone and ended up somewhere in the CV of a Norwegian… Actually: I like your way of arguing. My work is in sports medicine (writing, lecturing, teaching, coaching especially martial arts and strength sports) hence my keen interest in hGH, or rhGH to be precise. There seems to be no consensus about nomenclature. I suggest: GH = growth hormone, a species specific poly peptide hormone. hGH = Human Growth Hormone. To distinguishe from the GH of other animals. rhGH = Recombinant Human Growth Hormone. Distinguished from cadaver GH. Within human biology it can be simplified to Growth Hormone or GH.

The anti-aging hype is understandable. So is the commercializing of fake hGH products. Sprays! Can anybody explain me how a 191 amino acid molecule can get trough mucous membranes? This is what made me decide not to continue my membership of A4M. Ronald Klatz may be an authority, but the book ‘Ten years to a younger you’ has 33 pages of ads for obsolete ‘medicine’. No reputable physician wants to suggest even the tiniest association with homeopathy. ‘Homeopathic HGH.’ one of the ads brawls. A ‘contradiction in terms’.

Regards

Peter van der Zon Sports Medical Consulent Accra GHANA

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[edit] Hans Lars Helgesen from Asker?

Not saying he isn't, just curious; I penned the original article based on a few references to him here and there in local histories, but knew nothing of his origins in Norway (where my own family is from; see Endre Johannes Cleven, who was my grandfather). b.1831 would put him at age 27-28 upon his arrival in BC (1858-59 sometime), and he'd been in California before that AFAIK; so sounds about right. But if you've got some cite/evidence, I don't think the "?" is necessary; or was it just a guess based on the Helgesen family name?Skookum1 18:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I meant that his date of death was uncertain with the question mark. Evidence is shaky, but I included the citation. It's from Rootsweb, a genealogy site. They're clearly talking about the same Helgesen and seem to believe he was born in Asker. You'd think there was a fuller biography somewhere, though. --Leifern 18:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kven

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

Kven-user limited to one account and is placed on probation. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts by aggressive biased editing. The Kven-user is banned from editing articles related to Kven or making any edits regarding the topic. Should Kven-user edit under any username or IP prior to selecting a username any edit made may be removed on sight and the account indefinitely blocked. Should Kven-user violate any ban, he may be briefly blocked, up to a month in the event of repeat offenses. All blocks to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Kven#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.

For the Arbitration Committee --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 00:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits to Mark Geier

I've been following the developments on the Mark Geier page as seemingly Geier himself or someone close to him has begun adding information to the article. Several editors on the talk page have expressed some concern about having the subject of an article edit his/her own page. I am not necessarily convinced that deletion of the additions he has made is the right thing to do, but I do feel that the open invitation to discuss changes on the talk page first makes sense. Whether the additions are appropriate or not (they seem appropriate, I agree!) is not really the issue, I feel. It would be nice if Geier discussed on the talk pages instead of just reverting (and now there's some concern about a sockpuppet). To that end, it might also be nice if you shared your opinion in more than an edit summary, especially when you bring up vandalism, which I feel is definitely too harsh a term to use in this instance. I am not planning on touching the page, but I hope that you and Geier will discuss any changes that you are planning in the future. There's no reason to escalate this confrontation. InvictaHOG 04:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I have also been slightly concerned about the recent editing of Mark Geier by someone close to the subject of the article, if not by Dr. Geier himself, who has a POV that is far from neutral (just as mine or my wife's would be if there were an article about myself). The extensive changes have been done without collaboration, both anonymously and under two registered names, one of which was a false identity. Thus the reverts, which were far from vandalism and were explained as actions to suggest/provoke discussion: time needs to be put into examining the proposed new material and changes by objective individuals before they are fully entered into the article about this controversial subject. Just thought I'd expand a bit on the situation for you, since it may not be clear for someone who is unfamiliar with the story behind the topic. -- Tim D 05:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record: I have never met Geier, never corresponded with him (that I can remember) and have no association with him. Having said that, I don't think there's anything wrong with someone editing an article about themselves, though they obviously have to accept others' edits and accept that we all tend to be biased about ourselves. My objection is to the wholesale revert of these edits, especially when they're referenced. It would have been one thing if the edits were filled with tendentious language, unsubstantiated claims, and adjectives, etc., but when they are referencable (if selective) facts, that's another matter. What I find far more objectionable than Geier - or a sockpuppet of his - editing an article about himself is the tendency among some largely ignorant editors to bury the controversy surrounding environmental factors and autism in general and thimerosal in particular. Even if it turns out to be no causal connection between thimerosal and autism, the adoption and use of thimerosal is nothing short of a scandal in public medicine, and it would be shameful if Wikipedia censored the debate about it. I hold no particular light for or against the Geiers, but I think their research, point of view, and credentials should be presented fairly and accurately, so that readers can make up their own minds. --Leifern 13:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that there's any intention to censor a debate about thimerosal, but the articles published so far concerning any positive connection to autism have been dubious. One problem is also with Dr. Geier's self-created IRB committee (see the last few paragraphs here, which had incidentally been removed by the editor in question) which by nature will take away from the legitimacy of anything published under their approval. In addition, there is the question of the quality of some journals. Some allow more of a "fast-track" to publication than others because they have a very light peer review process or none at all. Finally, a lot of these studies come away with ambiguous findings that can't be interpreted definitively. This is why, despite proper citations, work needs to be put into how they are expressed. -- Tim D 14:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for making my point. There clearly are very closed minds on Wikipedia on this issue, with a general acceptance of conventional wisdom and rejection of anything else. I don't feel like taking up this battle by myself - suffice to say that I think your POV-pushing will only serve to discredit Wikipedia as the evidence becomes irrefutable even for those who are in denial so far. --Leifern 17:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

"Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot...." Do I sense a little bit of a m:MPOV?-- Fyslee 21:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what you sense, Fyslee. --Leifern 10:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a simple observation that your negative and derogatory opinions of other editors do not elevate you above them. A little look in the mirror might be appropriate. You could save yourself and others a lot of grief by not judging or commenting on other editors. Your expressions so far violate WP:NPA and WP:AGF and definitely do not contribute to creating a collaborative atmosphere here. -- Fyslee 20:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Closed-mindedness via critical thinking? Hmm? Seriously, I've read the research and studied the topic academically. Supposedly ground-breaking research that is not reproduced by others and/or is heavily contradicted elsewhere and/or does not go through the proper channels for approval should always be taken with caution. Doesn't matter what the topic is. Of course, it should be recorded for others to see and critique, but not in a way that obfuscates anything. -- Tim D 05:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

TDowling, I would have to study your edits a little bit more closely before I can comment on your closed-or open-mindedness. What I have detected on this topic and others is that the standards are uneven. A lot of editors here don't realize that very little of medical practice is based on clinical experience; that most medical doctors know very little about science; that the scientific approach, as it were, is in fact responsible for very few scientific or medical breakthroughs; that in fact nearly all clinical trials yield ambiguous results; and that human factors enter into all of it. Thimerosal poisoning remains a plausible explanation, and there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support it. Ad hominem attacks against the Geiers do little good in advancing knowledge about the issues. Which should be pretty obvious. --Leifern 10:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You could study his edits for an eternity and any comments on his "closed-or open-mindedness" would still get you busted here. Much better to concentrate on NPOV editing, using good documentation. -- Fyslee 20:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Fyslee, you were the one who started out by accusing me of POV and then moved on with further personal attacks. I would advise you to respond to my points, rather than what you might think I believe or not believe. --Leifern 22:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You misunderstand. I did not attack you. I merely pointed out your existing personal attacks on Tdowling and other Wikipedians in general: "very closed minds" "your POV-pushing". Pointing out personal attacks and unwikipedian behavior is not a personal attack, it is a warning to be careful. We just need to help each other. I doubt that you are innocent of the very things for which you accuse others, which is why I included the m:MPOV link for your amusement. It's rather well-written! (I doubt that very many here can consider themselves totally free of being closed-minded at times and of POV-pushing at times, including myself. None of us is perfect, hence the friendly warning to be careful. Take it as constructive criticism and move on.) -- Fyslee 23:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norwegian photographers

Hello; I've just encountered List of Norwegian photographers for the first time. You may be interested in the new WikiProject "History of photography". (There's nothing particularly Norwegian about it so far, I must admit.) -- Hoary 23:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)