Wikipedia talk:Lamest edit wars

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This page was nominated for deletion on 1st of July 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

This page was nominated for deletion on 29th of August 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

This page was nominated for deletion on 20 November 2006. The result of the discussion was Closed at request of nominator..

These deletion attempts are also documented on WP:LAME itself.

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Contents 1 Hurricane gender war 2 Stockholm 3 You know... 4 Lamest edit war ever? 5 Everyone loses their minds 6 "Lawyer" 7 Can "Lame" be considered NPOV? 8 Personal Concerns 9 {{LAME}} 10 Atlantic records incident 11 I Totally Love Wikipedia 12 Can we include this? 13 Diff links 14 Istanbul (Not Constantinople) 15 Greatest Page Ever 16 Nominating Talk:Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands 17 Suggested rearrainge 18 Suggested addition

[edit] Hurricane gender war

Between these edit on 1979 Atlantic hurricane season there were a total of six reversions by the two editors over the simple question of whether Hurricane Bob of 1979 or Hurricane George of 1950 was the first hurricane with a male name.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You've got to admit, it's a good catch! Though George (1950) should be considered neuter being part of the phonetic alphabet (?). Anyway, I think the old Zeta discussion is also worthy. Pobbie Rarr 15:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stockholm

Stockholm is the largest city in Scandinavia. Everyone knows that! Er... [1] no, it isn't! Copenhagen is bigger No, Stockholm is: [2]. And back and forth we go, several times, with it coming to rest (for now) at this diff [3]. Meanwhile the talk page lays out in excruciating detail the many ways in which you can measure bigness... all of which it turns out numerically Stockholm is biggest by. But that matters not, does it? Stockholm cheated by including more land area than is "fair". Who cares, really? ++Lar: t/c 14:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

same people who care as to what is the second biggest city in the UK.Geni 14:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Birmingham! No, Manchester! No, actually it's Stoke. Or maybe that one place in the Cotswolds whose name escapes me.

++Lar: t/c 14:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

FOi. It's definitely Manchester. Bugger off :-) --Khendon 18:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It certainly isn't anywhere in the Cotswolds, no big cities round here matey. Probably Birmingham but, indeed, who cares? :) --kingboyk 14:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Sarcasm is lost on you, innit, mate? ...and stop Stock, er, stalking me! :) ++Lar: t/c 15:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

The moment I stop checking your contribs when I'm bored (=="stalking") is the moment you've become boring - and you wouldn't want that, would you?! :P --kingboyk 15:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You know...

It'd be fucking awesome if this talk page made the list. Just a thought... Ah well...to wish impossible things... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Durandal1717 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Lamest edit war ever?

I think this is a candidate for lamest edit war ever. First off, its an article about a freaking game on The Price Is Right (lame). It's not even one of the good ones, all the contestant has to do is decide whether or not to switch the prices or not (lame). And the edit war is about what is probably the least consequential of all the inconsequential pieces of info in the article: whether you can win by doing nothing or not (lame). And its not even about whether that piece of info is true or not, its about grammar (lame). And its not even about whether the sentence is technically grammatically wrong or not, just whether a word in it is redundant (lame). And most of the edit war revolved around the meaning of the word "can" (lame). Combine my being a dick with his being wrong and it is like a perfect storm of lameness. Recury 19:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Not only that, but it looks like the only thing keeping you two from going at it more was a potential 3RR. Yes, lame, and incredibly so. And I like the "at least one side has admitted they were being a dick" angle, too. Confusing Manifestation 01:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

This is awesome. You deserve a prize or something. Maybe the "Aluminum Grail of Intelectual Kleptomania". Or is it "Aluminium Grail of Intelectual Kleptomania"? Either way, nice work. I can now sleep peacefully, knowing there is nothing lamer I'm missing out on. -Litefantastic 01:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Everyone loses their minds

This was on WP:AN/I, and has been moved here for lack of a better target. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

If this is intended purely as a historical record of the conversation, I'd suggest putting it in a subpage somewhere. This is rather a lot to drop into a live talk page like this. Bryan 07:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah... I'm just not sure where. This is one LAME discussion. Grandmasterka 07:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Lawyer"

Anyone else think the recent ruckus at WP:WL qualifies as lameness? 68.39.174.238 23:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can "Lame" be considered NPOV?

The American Heritage Dictionary definition of "lame" in this context is "Weak and ineffectual; unsatisfactory". If that's not bias, I don't know what is. So if NPOV is non-negotiable, I think the article has to be retitled. Ribonucleic 22:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Does a humor article even need to be NPOV? Doesn't being a humor article almost ensure that this article is not NPOV? --Wildnox 22:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

"Non-negotiable" didn't seem to leave a lot of wiggle room. In any case, "lame" seems a little more shaming of the edit-warriors involved than is strictly necessary to document the phenomenon. Ribonucleic 22:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Once again... NPOV doesn't come into play at all here, as it is a humor page and therefore POV by default, if it did the page would be deleted in an instant.--Wildnox 01:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPOV covers articles. This is not an article, as it is in the Wikipedia namespace. -- Coneslayer 22:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Very true. There are a lot of inherently POV things in Wikipedia space, which is perfectly fine. WP:BJAODN (what is or isn't funny) and Wikipedia:Unusual articles (what is or isn't "unusual") come to mind. Grandmasterka 01:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

And don't forget WP:DAFT. :) --Stratadrake 04:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

How nerdy can you get?

[edit] Personal Concerns

I think this section should be removed. It serves only to mock those of our critics who have had disputes regarding their own articles, and is likely to simply inflame the situation further. — Werdna talk criticism 09:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{LAME}}

I've created this template for talk pages. Feel free to use it, but be wary of using it on talk pages of fanboy type TV shows and Guinea Pigs. Those users tend to take their edit wars very seriously. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 12:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That template doesn't help the encyclopedia. And apparently something similar has been through TfD before. -- Steel 12:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it went through TfD a year ago. But votes for deletion are not decisions set in stone. And how does reminding editors not to engage in edit wars over trivial matters such as where to place a comma not help the project? -- Malber (talk • contribs) 13:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't (not help the project). But there are thoughtful ways to do so and ones somewhat less thoughtful. I haven't went off and looked at the deleted template (some admin must have thought it pretty egregiously off, though, which is a hint) to see but I just don't think a template is likely to come off as highly considerate of the sensibilities of others in this case. ++Lar: t/c 13:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, well I guess this is serious business! -- Malber (talk • contribs) 13:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I went and looked at your version. I thought it was fairly innocuous. But I'm not sure I follow your comment about it being serious... Maybe you might want to contest the deletion at the deletion review page. ++Lar: t/c 15:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Serious as in people who would find offense at this template take their edit wars too seriously and wouldn't get the joke. I could take this to DRV, but since the original one went through TfD with only two votes to keep I think it would be a losing battle. This was speedy deleted (with no CSD template applied) by a newer admin citing WP:IAR in a discussion on WP:ANI. IAR is a problem when admins use it to justify actions taken before a consensus has a chance to build. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 17:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Er....? -- Steel 17:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

If anyone is willing to take up the torch, here is the original version of the template:

Lamest edit wars has been listed at Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars. Please bear this in mind, keep some perspective, and stay cool while editing.

It's not the greatest, so feel free to improve it if you like. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 17:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

My deletion hardly requires a deletion review. If anyone thinks this has a chance of surviving a deletion debate and will help the encyclopedia in some way they're welcome to restore it. -- Steel 17:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't refering to your deletion. The original one was done by a new admin citing IAR. (Closing comments: "felxing my IAR muscles.") Yours was based on CSD G4 which may apply in the sense that this was TfD'ed a year ago, but it's not an identical template (as far as I know). -- Malber (talk • contribs) 19:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see where I'm getting confused. There's a Template:Lame and a Template:LAME. -- Steel 11:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment the only way to solve this is for Steel to delete the template and User:Malber to recreate it. Repeat ad infinitum, and then chronicle it on the name WP:LAME namespace.--Isotope23 19:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

• lol. -- Steel 10:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  • lulz. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 11:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• <link removed> Ξxtreme Unction|_{yakkity yak} 13:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atlantic records incident

There was a vandal incident at the Atlantic Records page where a lot of users were blanking the page and putting in YOU SUCK or just plain adding it in that had to result in it getting protected. Would this constitute as an edit war, and would it be lame? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Starhood` (talk • contribs) .

Nope. That's just repeat vandalism, this is more for edit wars over lame inconsequential things. --Wildnox 20:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I Totally Love Wikipedia

I've been gone for a year, but when tonight I clicked onto Wikipedia's Lamest Edit Wars for no particular reason, and started howling over just the descriptions alone, I realized how much I've missed this place. So I'm coming back, but I will try to behave. Bless you all. Mothperson cocoon 00:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can we include this?

I've just enjoyed the best laugh the Wikipedia Signpost ever gave me. This comes from the Finnish Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-10-23/Interwiki report. In the past, some of the more memorable controversies have included: a lengthy discussion on the correct spelling of pizza (fi:pizza) in Finnish (which, as it turned out, is "pizza" instead of "pitsa")... Think it's worth creating an international section? Durova 18:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diff links

You know, it would be so much more useful if people would link to actual diffs of the lameness, rather than just the article. It's pretty much impossible to find the lameness if it happened more than a few days ago, since people don't tend to record the dates it happened either. Stevage 02:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I was just going to suggest inclusion of a date myself. Happy to see I'm not the only one. Han-Kwang 18:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, when I was involved in the Template:LAME debacle some people said, "That edit war happened over a year ago!" as if there is a statute of limitations to lameness. —Malber (talk • contribs) 18:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. A date would just be helpful to find the edit war in the history. Han-Kwang 19:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm just being lame. —Malber (talk • contribs) 19:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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195.84.40.9 (talk • contribs) removed the history/page talk links that I added without explanation. I am restoring them. Han-Kwang 13:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Istanbul (Not Constantinople)

Honestly, people--call it what you want, but in the end, that's really nobody's business but the Turks, okay? nmw 23:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greatest Page Ever

This is surely the greatest page on all of Wikipedia...hours of hilarious reading here!! Love it!! Burtonpe 15:29, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nominating Talk:Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands

A micronation, but not just any micronation: the name says it all (or should that be Queendom?) Not that there's anything wrong with micronations per se, or with LGBT issues per se, but does a completely uninhabited archipelago off the coast of Australia really merit 68kb of talk page debate? They haven't even issued postage stamps. Durova 01:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested rearrainge

I suggest this page would be more instructive if it was arrainged based on why the participants warred, EG. "Being absolutely sure they were right", "Obsessive accuracy" (For things like the diameter of the Death Star, etc), "Overzealous application of policy", etc. This would probably make it more instructive of why these things happen and what the warning signs are. Any suggestions (Other then {{sofixit}})? 68.39.174.238 06:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested addition

A suggestion: Add the Harry Potter Info Box Colors edit war to the list. Also see here. Olin See also 20:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)