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From the picture of Victoria: Princess Victoria Kaiulani, a member of the Kalakaua Dynasty, was in line to become Queen of Hawaii when her kingdom was overthrown by Americans.

I think the word "Americans," should be replaced with "American businessmen," to show that it wasn't the U.S. Government that organized the issue (although they clearly helped massively) but that it was business owners that wished to force Hawaii to join the U.S. in order to mitigate taxation on imported items (like sugar.)

I know it's probably splitting hairs, but that's how I feel. I personally won't edit the document, I will leave that to others should they agree.

Actually, we encourage you to be bold in editing, so long as you follow our neutrality policy. And I don't really know enough about this issue to judge whether your addition would be neutral. Oh, just a note--it's considered polite to sign your talk page posts, using 4 tildes (like this: ~~~~). Best, Meelar 16:42, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think it's safe to add businessmen to the the caption. Gerald Farinas 18:13, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I agree that businessmen is probably appropriate. They initiated the action. Jimaginator 20:32, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

1 Feudal society?
2 External Link
3 Formation section
4 POV Pushing
5 Infobox

[edit] Feudal society?

Is it fair to label that the old tapu system implemented in the Hawaiian islands prior to 1810 was a "feudal society", something that actually describes a European term?

I do not know if the term applies in this case, but feudal does not imply European. That the term was coined for European societies does not matter. If the society had the characteristics, it can be called feudal. Two further remarks:

Your asking "if it is fair" seems to imply feudal is a negative assessment; I think it is neutral.
I looked for the word tapu and it is not in the text. There is an article but you talk about the "tapu system". Maybe you could explain this in the article.

Piet 11:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to validate the truth of a friend of mine's claim that she is a descendent of the royal line, is there any where I could check this? I only have her married name, not her maiden name.

isn't it the "Kapu" system?

[edit] External Link

Just to make a note, that the David Keanu Sai's webpage is HAWAIIAN KINGDOM GOVERNMENT. It was incorrectly written Hawaiian Kingdom Separatist Government. There's nothing in there about being separate.69.139.190.10 01:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Formation section

The formation section is terrible. The way it is now, I am tempted to simply remove it. I don't really understand what is said there so I can't rewrite it. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone can improve it, after that I will do it (using an axe :-) ). Piet 11:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Do the changes I made make it more clear? --JereKrischel 15:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, now it means something :-) Thanks, JereKrischel! Piet 08:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV Pushing

The revert of Tom Gardner's edits was based on both factual inaccuracies (derived from the Blount Report which was contradicted by the Morgan Report after a more thorough investigation), as well as outright falsehoods with no historical basis. In particular:

The U.S. peacekeepers from the Boston did not take over the palace, and were ordered to remain completely neutral;
There were threats of violence and arson made during the period in question.

Also, the tenor and tone of the edits was clearly biased in favor of the Queen and against those who put her out of power. --JereKrischel 01:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)