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This article was nominated for deletion on 20:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Hello? Is anyone out there? I edited the page. Hello?

Yes :) Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for contributing - Fredrik | talk 14:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

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Should we include Energy Tanks and Reserve Tanks? ~ Hibana

Sure, why not? --Poiuyt Man ^talk 05:19, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Gravity Suit/Green Acid 2 Thermal Visor image 3 Redirects to this page are on vote for deletion 4 Phase out this article? 5 The vandals need to die 6 Force Ball 7 Fan created Weapons 8 Other Hunters 9 Very unclear Power Beam Picture 10 Regarding the Hyper Beam 11 Screw Attack =/= Samus Insignia 12 Galvanic Accelerator Cannon 13 Gravity Visor 14 Light? Plasma? Annihilator? 15 Beam Weaponry. 16 Power Bomb Recharge 17 A comment from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Items in the Metroid series

[edit] Gravity Suit/Green Acid

First, I wanted to thank whoever edited my blurb about the "green radioactive(?) stuff" in the Gravity Suit section, making it appear a lot more "encyclopedia-like" (sorry I don't explain things well). I have NO clue what it is, and any help is greatly appreciated. I have searched the internet for info on this, but found nothing other than discussion forums that said it "might" be radioactive, but I'm sure discussions cannot be integrated into canon. Does anyone know if there was ever anything "official" mentioned on what this "green acid" that can hurt Samus in her Gravity Suit is? I just wanted to make my little edit there based on actual canon and not just speculation. Thanks!! -JeffF

[edit] Thermal Visor image

Can someone get a new image of the Thermal Visor? The one in the article isn't the way it looks in the game. I've been looking, but I can't find a good one. Thunderbrand 21:44, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects to this page are on vote for deletion

Various redirects to this page are on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion#Metroid Item Redirects. ~ Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:12, 2005 August 19 (UTC)

[edit] Phase out this article?

I question the importance of this article. It's bloated with items that appear in single Metroid games, and have no relevance to the series as a whole. Other items have functions that differ significantly between games, and listing them under one heading is awkward. I believe it'd be more useful to list unique items in the corresponding game article, and common items (Morph Ball/Bomb, Missiles, Energy Tank, Power Beam) in the Metroid series article. I'd be more than willing to take on this task myself, but I'd like some comments first. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 04:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

It would be a waste to have, say, a section on the morph ball in the Metroid Prime article that is an exact copy of the one in Metroid Prime 2. That is why this article was created in the first place.--Zxcvbnm 20:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

There's no need to duplicate information; the Prime 2 article merely needs to say, "Several items return from Metroid Prime, including the morph ball, missiles...". The reader can then navigate to the Prime article for information on these items, instead of trying to find the Prime-relevant information in this huge list of items. And as I said, common items that appear in all games would be right at home in the Metroid series article. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 20:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I think the current setup is counter-intuitive. The Metroid game articles, instead of having item descriptions, refer the reader to this article, which features dozens of items from other games. The reader must then search through this list to find the items that are relevant to that particular game. It's as logical as removing all the story sections and making a Storylines of the Metroid series to contain it all. Oh wait, that's already done at Samus Aran, a whole different mess. Lists may be easier for editing and organization, but it's useless to anyone who's unfamiliar with the series and has just played their first Metroid game. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 20:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

So if someone heard about a "morph ball" and said, "what's that?", he would have to go to three (or more) different articles to get ALL the information about it. I think we should centralize all the item info in one place. A better idea would be to make subsections showing the changes in each successive game.--Zxcvbnm 21:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

And exactly why would a person that has no experience with the Metroid series be interested in the evolution of the Morph Ball? People learn general information first, then details. This article is a compilation of fancruft, simply because there's no other place to put it. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 21:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Fans of the Metroid series should not be forced to look through information in several different game articles. If I need information on what weapons there are (as I sometimes do), and do not know when they were introduced, I come here. I only got into the Metroid series around the release of Metroid Fusion. So I had no idea people could switch between beams before I looked on this page. I prefer a page where I can go and look up all the information of the items. Besides, why waste space on game information pages, which are more about the games themselves rather than the individual items. Mentions of said items should be on the game pages, but should have links that redirect here, where more information should be listed.

[edit] The vandals need to die

Isn't there some way to use their IP address and ban them from marking up pages? Claude 20:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I think there's a page to report vandalism, repeated offenders will be banned.--Zxcvbnm 22:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know where this page is? Claude 22:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Force Ball

Metroid Prime Pinball introduced the Force Ball power up...funny, I don't see an entry for it yet. Claude 07:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fan created Weapons

That would be an interesting and funny part. At least for discussion. One I know of, popularized by Gamefaqqs, is the Wood Beam.

Since this is supposed to be a professional encyclopedia I don't believe that should be included; it is non-notable and would be misleading among a list of real items.--Zxcvbnm 22:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Hunters

Metroid Prime: Hunters introduced the new hunters, and each have Affinity Weapons. Seeing as Samus can use these in Multiplayer, and this is the article for Items in the Metroid Series, should they not be included?

I agree. Even though they only appear in one game thus far, they still play a role in the single player mode, as well as the multiplayer.

[edit] Very unclear Power Beam Picture

Could someone enlargen the picture?

It looks very blurry.Ollie the Magic Skater 04:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the Hyper Beam

It's fairly obvious that Nintendo intended for it to be Samus' pure rage incorporated into the Power Suit. If it were a result of the power transfer, then Samus would have attained her powers immediately after the power transfer- this doesn't happen. She gains her power AFTER the Mother Brain kills the Metroid and it makes its death squeal. It's clear that Nintendo intended for this to be a "snapping" point for Samus- she had bonded with the creature after she had saved it from SR388, she owed the Metroid hatchling her life, and here was this hideous monster who had just killed it. The rage flowing through her pulsated through her suit, she stood up, the "Samus is going to kick your ass now" music begins to play, and her focused rage forms the Hyper Beam- with which she smacks the kumquats out of Mother Brain. This also explains why it dissapated following the end of the game- she calmed down and her rage subsided. -- Daniel Davis 16:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this rage theory is pure conjecture. This is the first I've ever heard of it. As I recall Samus does not take any action until the end of the scene, so there is no proof that her weapons were not affected by the power transfer. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

You can SEE her "rage" taking effect. Just to make sure, I replayed the scene three times over. It happens in a very specific order- Metroid begins to refill Samus (Samus STAYS normal), MB starts attacking Metroid (Samus STAYS normal), Metroid flies up (Samus STAYS normal), MB kills Metroid (Samus STAYS normal), Metroid screams in pain and dies, Metroid blows to pieces, and ONLY THEN, Samus on her knees begins to flash. YOUR theory (that Mother Brain's energy was what gave Samus the Hyper Beam) is conjecture, and frankly it doesn't even fit in with the plot. I've reverted you- don't revert again. -- Daniel Davis 02:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I thought that the Super Metroid's energized remains powered up Samus's suit when they fell on her after it exploded. So is there any proof that it is one or the other?!? This rage thing is just conjecture.--Zxcvbnm 02:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

How in the hell would that fit in with the plot? -- Daniel Davis 02:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I have read/heard/seen nothing in the games that indicates Samus' emotional state has an impact on the performance of her Power Suit. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I have read/heard nothing in the games that indictates that Samus got her energy from mother brain- what you are saying is just as much speculation as anything said -- Joe Muz

I reverted YOUR edits Joe because I dont agree with YOUR theory; I agree with Zxcvbnm.(11987 09:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

Lovely bit of "evidence" you've provided there. It's not a "theory", it's a basic part of the plot- MB kills Metroid, Samus' rage focuses through her and gives her the Hyper Beam power. Simple as pie. -- Daniel Davis 11:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I just don't get how her rage is giving her some super powerful beam. After all, if emotions affected the Power Suit, woudn't she have some super powerful attack when she is scared or lonely ect? For example, when she sees Dark Samus for the third time with Dark Aether about to destroy itself, woudn't she feel frustrated? Why didnt she unleash a hyper beam on Dark Samus? Also, when using the Phazon beam, she shows no sign of being angry, yet she uses that ultra-powerful beam. She could use it because she had enough ENERGY to do it and had the right kind of energy. Thats what the Metroid did; it gave her enough of the right kind of energy to use the beam and heal herself. Maybe some of the MB's hyper beam energy was taken and transfered to her. However, I do not deny she was angry; I only say that her rage was not what gave her the beam. (11987 12:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

Only pure, focused emotions- If you had read the official Nintendo Manga, you would have seen that it has happened already once- it ONLY happens when Samus sees innocent life being destroyed. Her rage is massive and all-encompassing, but only comes to the surface when she loses control. It had nothing to do with whatever "energy" was given to her by the Metroid, but by the Power Suit focusing her anger. The phazon and other such are an entirely different form of energy, and Samus doesn't lose control of herself when using them. But the Hyper Beam... -- Daniel Davis 13:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I see your point. (11987 13:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

Thinking about it though, it's speculation (which I ought not to have engaged in), not to mention the fact that including the blurb gives away a significant portion of Super Metroid's ending. Sorry. -- Daniel Davis 13:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I always thought it was commonly accepted that the added power came from the fallen Metroid. It's the only thing that makes sense. No where throughout the entire series is it mentioned that Samus's emotions unlock new abilities for her suit. There isn't even anything indicating rage in that scene...--Claude 03:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screw Attack =/= Samus Insignia

I'm not sure why someone isn't understanding this, but they keep adding "developers are so impressed that Screw Attack is Samus's insignia!" They're not the same thing; at most, you can mention that they look similar. Samus's insignia is a stylized 'S' on a circular metal plating. The Screw Attack is a lightning bolt on a sphere, and that depends on which game you're talking about. They are not one and the same.--Claude 05:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

They ARE one and the same. The "lightning bolt s" on a sphere that was established as the screw attack was also established as Samus' insignia in Super Metroid; they even connect the two during the closing segment of the game- the two halves of the S slash together in a bolt of lightning, followed by a flash and the sphere appearing behind them. They ARE one and the same. -- Daniel Davis 06:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

First, editing someone else's talk page comments is against the rules, second, no, unless you're blind you can clearly see that they aren't the same thing. The S coming together like bolts of lightning doesn't make the S itself a lightning bolt like the Screw Attack (it is, after all, an S). It wouldn't make sense for Samus's insignia to be a lightning bolt, but the S does make sense, and they're clearly different.--Claude 09:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a lightning bolt s, Claude. Not just a lightning bolt, not just an s. A lightning bolt S. They ARE the same thing. -- Daniel Davis 14:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Erm, no. even if the S was a lightning bolt, the metal plating and the actual style of the S is different from the pure sphere and simple lightning bolt of the Screw Attack. Not the same.--Claude 21:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I completely disagree with you. They are, with the SMALL exception of the indentation, identical. And, by the way, the "metal plating" is present in the Screw Attack icon in Metroid Prime 2, further emboldening the statement. -- Daniel Davis 21:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Both of you are starting an edit war over virtually nothing. I hope you're proud of yourselves. Claude, the one is cleary based on the other and it is worth a mention. Doom127, your wording was confusing and the bit about the "developers being impressed" was just weird and baseless speculation. Now stop arguing. --Tjstrf 22:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with the edit as it currently stands. I agree, the wording was a bit vague as it had been. Thanks for the improvement, Tjstrf. -- Daniel Davis 00:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I said from the beginning that at the most, it could be mentioned that they look similar, but they're clearly not the same thing. Saying so would be false, and even more misleading when I add a few more items that have been left off the list - one of which is repsented by the Samus insignia. It wouldn't make much sense to say that the Screw Attack is Samus's insignia when it's not, only to have another item on the list represented by the insignia after stating that the Screw Attack and Insignia are the same thing.--Claude 06:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not that they look similar, it's that one is directly derived from the other. The insignia is a stylized screw attack icon, the Prime suit icons are a modification of the insignia. How is this hard to understand? The screw attack powerup is the basis for both the insignia and indirectly the suit icon. As an additional comment, I don't understand why we even have the upgrades from the Metroid Fusion beta included in this article. --Tjstrf 07:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I never said one wasn't derived from the other; I said they weren't the same exact thing. I'm not sure why this is such a hard thing to understand. Yes, one is derived from the other. Yes, they look similar. But they are not the same exact thing. That is what the edit implied, and that is why it had to be removed. Idon't really know why people get hostile when presented with this fact. It can't be disputed. It can't be gotten around. Let it go. And since it was brought up, the old Metroid 4 items are from an official source. They aren't fan created or glitches. They belong there a hell of a lot more than, say, the Murder Beam.--Claude 02:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The current edit does not state that they are the same, it simply states that one is the basis for the other. The same way the letter J is a modified form of the letter I and now has its own usage, the Metroid series insignia is a modified form of the Screw Attack Icon. And Metroid 4 videos may be official sources, but the powerups in question do not technically exist in the series. I would support removing the murder beam as well, actually. If anything, the Metroid 4 powerups simply deserve a short mention that there were several deleted powerups, not detailed descriptions inferring the properties of items that you only ever got to see in action once. --Tjstrf 03:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Galvanic Accelerator Cannon

Why is the Galvanic Accelerator Cannon on this list? It's a Pirate weapon, and has is never used by Samus in any way. At least the Vigilance Class Turret is something you interface with and use, with its own unique "visor" appearance. -- Angel the Techrat

Actually, the name of the article is "Items in the Metroid Series", not "Items that Samus Aran has used" So thats why its there; because it is a item in the metroid series. (11987 07:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC))

In that case, wouldn't we be required to put every item of tech in the Prime series logbooks? Ridiculous, in my opinion. The article is very clearly Samus's items. All of the other entries in it ARE.

[edit] Gravity Visor

I think the description of the Gravity Visor should be altered and moved into the Combat Visor description, because a "Gravity Visor" is not indicated in any Metroid Game. It seems logical to add this information under Combat Visor as the change is notable, though. --Icecap4 08:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

agreed. (11987 16:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

I went ahead and moved the information. Please change it as needed. --Icecap4 01:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Light? Plasma? Annihilator?

OK, I think I've figured out the problem here:

The dark beam in MP2 corrosponds with the Ice Beam in MP1, in both position on the display (right), gun appearance, and functionality. The light beam in MP2 corrosponds with the Wave Beam in MP1 in its position on the display (left) and gun appearance, but the plasma beam in functionality. The annihilator beam in MP2 corrosponds with the Plasma Beam in MP1 in its position on the diplay (bottom) and gun appearance, but is closer to a plasma/wave beam combination in its functionality.

I argue that because there is no one-to-one corrospondance by functionality, we should instead use the slot on the suit that it replaced. We aren't a game guide after all, and the correct canonical statement would be that the Dark beam was incorporated by the suit in place of the Ice beam, since it fills that slot in the suit. --tjstrf 05:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

sounds fair (11987 05:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Beam Weaponry.

Would it be awful to slip into the article that all Samus' weapons have a "beam" suffix bit next to none actually shot a bea,?

theres no real point to adding it; besides, they cudnt say wave bullet or power laser. (11987 13:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Power Bomb Recharge

Do you think this technique should be mentioned under Power Bomb? In Super Metroid, if you watch the 'demo' video when you turn on the game, and before you hit start, you can see the technique being used, and you can perform it in the game. It was also mentioned in the Nintendo Power Magazine comic strip. Effectively, Samus is able to use a Power Bomb when she is nearly out of energy, and feed her ammo into the explosion in such a way that her suit disapears, and she is temporarily encased in a cocoon-like sphere of light while her energy recharges very quickly. --SeiferTim 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

That's called the Crystal Flash. It's in the article under the "Other" section. Herald Alberich 20:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay, I see it - I was expecting it to be listed under Power Bombs... nm :) --SeiferTim 14:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A comment from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Items in the Metroid series

Copied from said discussion:

• Rewrite There are far, far too many spoilers abound, and most of them aren't even necessary. "Murder Beam" also needs to be removed. The only reason it was referenced is because of the popularity of the glitch. It isn't legitimate either way, and needs to be taken out from an otherwise legitimate list. Also, the article could use some restructuring. 65.6.42.228 02:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I think this user has a good point about the Murder Beam, but I'd like him/her to clarify the other statements. There's no restriction on spoilers on Wikipedia, though perhaps spoiler tags could be included in the cleanup many at AfD are saying the article needs. Which spoilers "aren't necessary", and what "restructuring", exactly? --Herald Alberich 05:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

This article fails Wikipedia:Fair use criteria, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:No original research, all official policies at the English Wikipedia. --Tristam 01:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

How, praytell? Give explicit reasons, preferably with quotations of the material you believe to be original research. --tjstrf talk 01:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Please explain what is unverifiable, what is original research and what violates the fair use criteria? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)