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[edit] His death
I added in that Henry VII had died of leprosy and epilepsy and gave the crown to his son (which is true, according to the book "The Story of the Renaissance," by Suzanne Strauss Art), but what I had said was erased. That is a very important thing to know, and I was wronged for telling the truth.
- You've been on a vandalization streak for quite some time. Cite a source if you are adding real info. Check out your anonymous Usertalk page for info about your impending block.
Vandalization streak? What? What is my anonymous? How do I cite a source, and I have not been vandalizing for quite some time.
I think the sufferer of leprosy was Henry VII of GERMANY. See Wikipedia page on him.
[edit] Earl of Richmond
As Henry Tudor's father was attainted in 1455 or 1456, the title reverted to the Crown. The only person entitled to call himself Earl of Richmond at Bosworth was Richard III. Avalon 04:30 30 July 2005 (UTC)
- How about "From his father, he inherited a claim to the title Earl of Richmond", plus your info?
That's fine by me. Avalon 11:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rise to the Throne
In the Rise to the throne section, while what is said about pretenders is strictly true, it gives the impression that a pretender is pretending in the sense of feigning. A pretender is a claimant, more or less legitimate. It is not a question of pretence in the sense of make believe. The medieval courtly language was French. In this context, the french meaning has entered into English. Prétendre means to claim, maintain, assert, say. Collins Robert Dictionary. (RJP 5 July 2005 21:49 (UTC))
- Also described as "pretenders to the throne" are a few people who try, falsely, to pass themselves off as a claimant. For instance, there were a number of people who tried to claim that they were one or the other of the Princes in the Tower — who were essentially deposed by Richard III. Such claims were only possible because said princes were only assumed to have been killed: there was pretty good reason to believe that they had been, but nobody had found their bodies. Usually, these "claimants" — the most notable example being Perkin Warbeck (I think, but I don't think I spelled that right) — were sorted out and announced to be frauds. — AnnaKucsma (Talk to me!) 20:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC); edited for spelling, 15:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Insidious"
Isn't that a bit biased for an encyclopedia entry?
How about “.... the Tudor dynasty and has a reputation as one of England's most insidious kings."? To say otherwise would be biased in his favour. To say nothing on the subject would be uninformative. The only other way out would be to attempt to find synonyms for 'insidious', which would by clumsy. (RJP 09:35, 11 August 2005 (UTC))
- I second changing 'generally acknowledged as' to 'has a reputation as'; there manifestly is not a consensus here. Js229 17:23, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Reporting on someone's reputation is not biased. Henry VII has the reputation of being insidious. To ignore it is to mis-represent him. Avalon 19:49, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
- I agree with RJP and Js229 because it shows that people are in his favor and could create a controversy. Bubbles 21:56, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ancestry?
Shouldn't there be more of his ancestry? His parentage should at least be mentioned, and something about how he is descended from the Welsh nobility. Wasn't there a mediaeval Welsh family called Tewdwr? Yes, here Rhys ap Tewdwr, could they by any chance be related? I always think of Henry VII as Welsh (Hari Tudur in Welsh [1]), but I went to a Welsh school, so there may have been some exageration there, should it be mentioned?Alun 12:15, 21 September 2005 (==UTC)
[edit] Military Intentions?
Although I'm not goign to pretend to eb an expert on HVII, I attended a history conference on his reign in London, where a credited historian mentioned that in a peace treaty or trade agreement Henry laid claim to French territory or stated some inclination for England to try and sieze Boulogne towards the end of his reign, I can't remember the details but this goes against what is stated on the page about Henry's intentions.
When I was researching HVII, I read that his parents were Edmund Tudor and Margaret Beaufort. ~Bubblesthepiggy
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- And your source would be absolutely right. — AnnaKucsma (Talk to me!) 18:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Henry VII's Siblings
Where does it say anything about Henry VII's siblings? I think I'll research that and add it.
- Don't knock yourself out, Anonymous. Henry VII was an only child. His father (Edmund Tudor) died before he was born, and though his mother (Margaret Beaufort) remarried, she did not have any more children. I think Alison Weir's Wars of the Roses had something about this, as did another book I read more recently (can't remember which one). — AnnaKucsma (Talk to me!) 18:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Descendents of Edward IV and Henry VII
What sort of social rank would one have to bear in their family, in order to be a descendent of either?
How far up the totem pole, would you say?
This is intended to have broad answers and based on gradients of time and population, not going into specifics about exact descendents. About how common is their descent in the English or British genepool today?
I've noticed that American Presidents don't descend from either king, but the most common recent royal ancestor shared by many of us is Edward III. How common is it for anybody in the English or British genepool, to have a Protestant royal ancestor?
There is a general cutoff, isn't there?
Is it because of fratricide in the Wars of the Roses, the Tudors' "new men", or the Union of the Crowns, or the parliamentary union under Queen Anne (I can't think of any non-royal family descent from the Hanoverians within the UK)?
I'm thinking that there is a big difference between Plantagenet and Tudor descents, that the commons in all likelihood have the former and the latter is held by the lords. (just generally speaking) Then again, Tudor descent in the Welsh must be higher in general. I am further curious about pre-Royal Tudor blood in Anglo-British people today, since the status and/or concept of Welsh royalty/nobility is rather hazy in my mind. I found the Blevins aka Ap Bleddyn family of Powys in my ancestry, but have no real idea on what to make of it--or any other Welsh "native aristocracy". I might be able to find Stewart descent somewhere, from way back when. What percentage of Hanoverian background do you think that German colonists had in America?
On the British side, I have to go as far back as Welf himself...but any recent genetic relationship with the Hanoverians or the counts of Nassau are completely obscure. How does one research those other colonial people, such as the Hessians?
UK genealogy is relatively easy when focusing on English (and French) ancestries. What would a "national person" of Jerusalem (or Antioch, for example) in Crusader times be known as?
We say "American" for those Founders, but was there such a nationality-term for the Crusaders in their own domains?
I guess the term is supposed to be Levantine/Outremer, or "Crusader" as our national heritage says "Colonist"...
IP Address 11:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Repetitive information
| English Royalty |
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| House of Tudor |
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| Henry VII |
| Arthur, Prince of Wales |
| Margaret, Queen of Scots |
| Henry VIII |
| Elizabeth Tudor |
| Mary, Queen of France |
| Edmund, Duke of Somerset |
I have taken the above out as apart from the arms, which is not particularly Tudor, it repeats information already and more appropriately given in the info box. (RJP 23:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Re: Vandalism
The article was in a vandalised state when I stumbled across it, yet the current revision is said to be the reverted one of SteveO. However it is the vandalised revision that is showing. I am too ignorant of wikipedia to understand why this is the case. 86.138.137.123 14:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
